The proportionality is based on a starting point that if you have a 50/50 gender split at a school then 50% goes to the men and 50% go to the women. The assumption is they are equivalent. But if you have an open division it doesn’t have to be proportional. Why? Well for starters it’s open so inclusive of women who want to play in the men’s division. Open means it’s for everyone while the closed women’s division is only for women who elect to be protected. The same rational btw applies to why there isn’t proportionality for the disabled categories (they aren’t considered equivalent). It’s no longer about men and women being equal. There’s everyone else and there’s the sealed restricted women’s category. You might assign them proportionally. You could argue that’s how they should be treated. But legally the original rational is gone because it rests on the assumption notwithstanding at that time that men’s sports was more popular and there were more male athletes, that they should be treated equivalently.
Trans eligibility rules for girls sports.
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meh my sons at the time 4 10 friend was safety hazzarded by a 6 fter. My then 80 pound niece was once plowed down by a 120 mountain of goalkeeper on a 1v1 the gk slid through her (everyone called for a foul but the dumb dumb parents didn’t understand it was a fair tackle). Crushes little girl squeeked when she was shoulder checked by a girl twice her size that tried to play the player instead of the ball.
I agree there’s a safety concern in soccer caused by kids of unusual size. Until we start signaling out all the safety hazards, cry me a river.
Can't say I agree 100% with your lawyer work there, Lou.
Title IX does not mandate a balance of results, it just bans discrimination "on the basis of sex". You can look it up..
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I actually agree, but that’s not how the admin state has chosen to interpret it, as dad4 correctly points out. Further eotl has correctly pointed out scotus already ruled on the point with respect to title vii so would be trickle to distinguish title ix.
When all the schools that award 50 or 80 scholarships to football players also award 50 to 80 scholarships to women's flag football players, then we can talk about "balance".
kickingandscreaming
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Yeah, that's what we need in society - less face-to-face interaction under the guise of health concerns. By far the biggest health concern now is mental health and yet we facilitate hypochondriacs and promote isolation.
kickingandscreaming
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I guarantee you at least one of them is, "If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention." - maybe all 5.5.
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oh man, you do hate women. Just wondering how this scenario plays out in your head. when you say elite are you referring to an elite ulittle girl playing against ulittle boys? Or you are saying elite woman playing in college or professionally against men? Spare me the "it doesn't happen enough to really freak out over it" bs.
By the way, what does misogyny mean to you? Mansplain for me so I can at least understand your view of the word.
Uh, you are transphobic because you do not have perspective. You are unwilling to consider the legitimate interests of trans children at all. Again, it's one thing to weigh those interests against what you call "a perspective", but you can't recognize the humanity of trans children. That makes you transphobic, pure and simple.
Carry on trying to make yourself feel better about your transphobia and intolerance by accusing those who support equality and fairness of being intolerant.
In reality, it has never happened that a trans girl has dominated an elite girls soccer game. Spare me this nonsense about how it allegedly happens sometimes. Also spare me this nonsense about how making sure your little princess wins a trophy is more important than the interests of trans children.
It's funny how you transphobes keep trying to push trans children into rec sports. You whine like little babies about how it's unsafe to let a 13 year old trans girl play ECNL with other girls, but your "solution" to that is to put them into a league with the girls who are the least athletic, the least capable of competing, and with referees who are the least qualified to ensure that no safety issues arise. It is just more proof that your "safety" concerns are j rubbish. Again, it's your daughter who needs to be in rec because, as we all know, she has no business in ECNL if she can't compete against a trans girl.
Carry on with your irrational fear that NBA players and 6'4" monster trans children are going to try to play ECNL. They're like totally destroying the fabric of our great nation one kiddie soccer game at a time, am I right? In the meantime, remember to keep your little girl out of school restrooms!
Actually, you’ve talked me out of allowing trans girls in girls rec. That would require an understanding that, if it wasn’t working out, the kid in question could quietly shift over to a boys team.
Your tirades have convinced me that 1% of people would be complete assholes about it, complete with lawsuits and the rest.
So no, I don’t say they should play girls rec. They can play whatever level of boys or coed ball is appropriate to their skill level, just like any other boy.
"just like any other boy" Your bigotry is showing again. Even if you meant the sentiment in a non-bigoted way, e.g. "just like any other biological male", this is clearly your attempt to just belittle them. You could have even said "just like any one else that was born a boy." You didn't even really need that qualifier and gotten your point across "whatever level of boys or coed ball is appropriate to their skill level PERIOD" point made. You threw that in just to put them down. Disgusting, especially coming from a teacher. Would you say that to your trans students face? How do you think it will make them feel? I really hope for your sake this really is a disability that's driving you and you are just misspeaking.
You aren't the only one that's moved in the opposite direction. Before this, I would have probably said certain youth sports like track or swimming which are individual and on which there is a greater impact, at least at the championship level, need to be divided. I would have also been opening to testing protocols in youth sports if we hunted out the cheaters. But the deeper we go into this and the more I see behavior from certain individuals like you convinces me more and more that the trans kids wouldn't be safe in that environment. There would be people like you that would subject them to non stop bullying, so they need flexibility to find a home while they are youths they are comfortable in, whichever division that might be, especially since we want to discourage transitions until age 18, which makes it important that they be absolutely sure by living the life full time.
I feel just fine. I’m trying to decide if you are an AI Chat Bot, or are a real person who can’t understand people have different perspectives. I am a Transphobe because I don’t have YOUR perspective??? Sure…. I’m not here saying you are a Biological Woman Hater because you don’t agree my perspective. I’m pretty sure you like many Biological Woman and are not scared of them or threatened by them. I’m scared shitless of my wife. You believe other factors outweigh my concerns and I feel the opposite. I respect you views and opinions. I don’t hate anyone and I don’t think I have said anything hateful regarding Transpeople. You may construe them as hateful because you don’t agree, but that’s a “YOU” and Woke Society/mob problem where if people have different opinions/beliefs/perspectives they are hateful. I have made fun of your Subaru and Stickers (which you have not denied, so I think I might be on to something there), and said you are insufferable as a person. That is directed at you individually, not a class or grouping of people just so we are clear.
Through this stuff I am finding that the people who are calling you intolerant, a phobe, racist, sexist, etc., are the real intolerant, phobic, and unforgiving people to others. It is ok to have a different viewpoint, perspective, and opinion and not hate somebody for it. I don’t hate you, want nothing bad to happen to you, but probably would not enjoy sharing a drink with you. Still not a transphobe or intolerant.
Are you saying you’re for physical and/or chemical transitioning before the age of 18?
thirteenknots
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Is it similar to breast augmentation for women? Or more like tanning balsacs like Tucker Carlson? Can you please clarify?
Transgirls fit the traditional definition of “boy”. They are human youth who have XY chromosomes, high natural testosterone levels, and were born with a penis.
You may not like it when someone points out that transgirls are boys, but that doesn‘t make it bullying. It is rude. But after the 300th time one of you two calls someone “bigot” or “transphobe”, I really don‘t give a fuck whether the two of you feel insulted.
1. I don't think the government should set the standards. I think it should be decided by medical protocols and review boards and the parents. If you involve the government, they can just as easily run a brain scan of your kid, see that they have transgendered tendencies, then accuse you of abuse and take them away from you because you refuse to nurture those transgendered tendencies and call them by their correct pronouns
2. I think physical and chemical transitioning should be severely discouraged before age of 18. It's why I think we should allow participation in youth sports without such changes because if we set barriers, it will encourage kids to rush.
3. I think the standards should be ridiculously high before the age of 18 and have to go through several layers of review. The issue is there are some ma vie en rose cases that may very well need to be transitioned earlier but those should be an absolute rarity and should involve several years of living in the opposite gender.
"Your expectations of me are that I'm a bigot so I'm just going to embrace that role."
You do after all concede that at a minimum is "rude" and therefore probably hurtful to say a trans kid you said your kids are friends with. A more normal person would ask: why is it that my statements are constantly being mistaken for bigotry, even by someone who went out of their way to give me the benefit of the doubt, and would rather prefer to see me as having a disability than being a bigot?