Trans eligibility rules for girls sports.

espola said:
What is the basis for your statement "you didn't even know what InBev was"?
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Hey, Fudd, in full disclosure... I always thought Bud Light was an awful lot like what my urine must taste like after drinking a real beer. That said, do you think the folks at InBev ever thought their marketing abortion would have a bottle of water cost more than their #1 market leader?

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Joe Rogan says trans women competing in women's sports has become 'forced compliance:' 'Just fucking stop'


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"You’re forced to comply with this," Rogan explained. "And it’s fucking up women’s sports in a huge way. Some organizations are pushing back against that, and some people are pushing back against the organizations that are pushing back against it, which to me is insane. Like if you care at all about biological women, you should be against that." While many elected officials have been trying to create laws to protect women’s sports, it’s still allowed. That brought up a hypothetical argument from Ice Cube, the famous rapper and founder of Big3, who said there is nothing stopping NBA superstar LeBron James from retiring from the league, identifying as a transwoman, and playing in the WNBA.
"They wouldn’t be able to stop it if he just decided to say publicly, ‘I identify as a woman,'" Rogan noted. "What are they gonna do? They can’t do anything, and then that would be the end. "Just fucking stop. There’s a reason why there’s women’s sports, and there’s a reason why there’s men’s sports."
 
Carlsbad7 said:
So it's finally starting to happen at the youth soccer level. Something we all knew was coming.

GA gave the 2010 Golden Gloves award to a player at club that's actively recruiting trans players.

From the Lonestar SC official Twitter feed...

Lonestar SC
#Transgender athletes are welcome with open arms @LonestarSC - see PLAY … protecting the lives of all youth!

Here's the GA 2010 golden gloves announcement...

@GAcademyLeague
Congratulations to our well deserved winners of the U13 Awards!

MVP: Alex Kasow (@NTH_Tophat)
Golden Boot: Izzy York (@NTH_Tophat)
Golden Glove: Isabelle Sanchez (@LonestarSC)

Apparently in Texas as a parent all you need to do is get a court order approving your kids change of sex + name. Then you can get a new birth cert showing something other than your biological birth sex.

Once you have the new birth cert M2F can play on GA teams. The only limit is birth year. (Ie testosterone levels, etc dont matter)
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10-years from now people are going to wonder what the fuck we were smoking during this period of history.
 
Finally catching up on some reading. The following is from Public (Mia Ashton and Michael Shellenberger) on May 25th

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Why The Media Attacks Detransitioners
Regret among survivors of gender ideology is rising, not declining

Republicans are hyping the stories of a handful of detransitioners, people who had sought to change their sex either through drugs or surgery and then changed their minds, even though detransition is rare, according to the New York Times.

“As Republican-controlled state legislatures have passed over a dozen bills banning transition care for minors this year,” wrote Maggie Astor, detransitioner Chloe “Cole and fewer than 10 activists like her — people who transitioned and then changed course — have become the faces of the cause, according to a New York Times review of news coverage and legislative testimony.” But, noted the Times, “Most people who transition do not change course.”

Astor went on to claim that just 2 to 13 percent of individuals who transition decide to detransition, but those numbers are almost certainly wrong. The 2% number appears to have come from a study of trans people in Sweden between 1960 and 2010, a population very different from the trans population today. At that time, adult males made up the bulk of referrals to gender clinics, whereas in the last decade, there has been a surge of adolescent females identifying as transgender and seeking medical treatment.

The 13% number does come from a more recent 2015 study. It is of 17,151 trans-identified individuals. And they are all from the U.S., not Sweden.

But the data is drawn from the US Transgender Survey of 2015 and only includes trans-identified individuals who temporarily detransitioned and thus excluded permanent detransitioners.

What’s more, the number of minors diagnosed with gender dysphoria rose sharply after 2015, from 15,172 in 2017 to 42,167 in 2021, in the United States, according to a report by Reuters. This can be explained in part by the Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD) hypothesis, which disproportionately affects natal girls.

Researchers are also likely to undercount detransitioning because so many detransitioners tend to, understandably, avoid going back to the same health care providers who transitioned them, undermining the extent to which we can rely on medical records.

As such, the evidence simply does not support the Times’ central claim that detransitioners are just 2 to 13% of the trans-identified population.

And there is good reason to believe that the absolute and relative number of detransitioners may grow, not decline. There is, according to the best available research, a four to eight-and-a-half year lag time between transition and detransition.

As trans people mature into adulthood, many will regret sacrificing their ability to have children and achieve orgasm, both of which are core parts of achieving long-term romantic relationships.

Another reason to believe regret will rise is that adolescent-onset gender dysphoria appears to be a social contagion. While some claim that the rising number of trans-identified youth is due to greater social acceptance, as occurred with left-handedness and homosexuality, neither of those disproportionately impacted adolescent girls. By contrast, many recent social contagions, including anorexia and bulimia in the 1980s and self-harm in the 2000s affected predominantly teenage girls, similar to what we’re seeing with gender dysphoria today.

Debates over the medical mistreatment of gender dysphoric youth are raging in Europe and the United States. England’s only pediatric gender clinic, the Tavistock, has been ordered to close its doors after an independent review found young people were being fast-tracked into medical treatment. Many displayed autistic traits and or were same-sex attracted, and thus may have been misdiagnosed with gender dysphoria.

There are profound ethical questions over whether minors can truly consent to life-altering medical procedures, particularly given growing evidence that trans is a media-and-activist-driven social contagion.

And yet the article in the New York Times, like many in the mainstream media, ignored all of these scientific and moral concerns to write a simplistic attack on those raising such concerns as bigots and political opportunists. Why? Why are so many journalists, liberals, and progressives, who identify as more empathic to the needs of the vulnerable than conservatives, so quick to dismiss the lived experiences of detransitioners?

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How LGB Became LGBT
For many if not most liberals and progressives, being trans is like being gay or black: it’s innate, and not something people choose. Trans people are “born that way.” And it is immoral to discriminate against any person for how they were born, since that’s not something people control. We no longer prevent whites and blacks, or same-sex couples from marrying, the logic goes. We should thus not prevent trans people from using drugs or surgery to realize their true sex.

Similarly, just as psychologists no longer engage in “conversion therapy,” to convert homosexuals into heterosexuals, psychologists must no longer engage in conversion therapy to convert trans people into “cisgender” people.

But trans people aren’t born that way. That’s not our opinion, that’s the whole premise of transgenderism. Trans people are born the wrong way, according to trans activists, most progressives, and mainstream news journalists, including, perhaps, the New York Times writer who dismissed detransitioners as puppets of Republicans.

Whereas the gay rights movement asked society to accept homosexual people for who they are, and allow them to love, have sex with, and marry whomever they choose, the trans movement asks society to reject people for who they are, and help them medically imitate members of the opposite sex.

Trans people were born into the wrong sex, the thinking goes, but can change their sex through drugs and surgery. As such, anybody who tries to prevent people, whether adults or children, from using drugs and surgery to change their sex is in the grip of an outmoded morality, at best, or immoral and cruel at worst.

But it is not possible to change sex because one’s sex is innate and immutable. The interventions offered in gender clinics, such as cross-sex hormones, the removal of healthy breasts, penis amputations, or the creation of a “penis” using the skin and flesh stripped from a forearm only serve to create the appearance, to varying degrees, of the opposite sex.

While the definition of sex is obvious to many people, it is not obvious to many others. Recently, the editor of Scientific American was corrected through a “community note” on Twitter after falsely claiming that there are more than two sexes of a bird species.
 
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It wasn’t always this way. Before there was an LGBT movement there was just an LGB movement. While it may seem inevitable, in hindsight, that trans people joined lesbian, gay, and bisexual people to form a single movement, it wasn’t. Indeed, there was significant resistance, particularly from lesbians, to including men who identified as “trans women” into their movement.

Many of the adult men who identify as trans women are sexually aroused by the idea of themselves as women, a phenomenon known as “autogynephilia,” which is considered a paraphilia, or sexual fetish. Sex researcher Ray Blanchard coined the term in 1989.

Autogynephilia is undoubtedly a difficult paraphilia to live with, and sufferers deserve to be able to access help without fear of being shamed. However, the problem faced by such men is the difficult task of asking for societal acceptance for expressing their fetish publicly.

“If a guy decides he’s coming into work as a woman from now on,” explained Blanchard, “it’s one thing for him to say: ‘I’m coming to terms with the fact that I’ve always been a woman inside,’ and quite another for him to say: ‘I’ve moved on from just masturbating wearing women’s clothes to wearing them all the time.’”

Denying the sexual aspect of their autogynephilia became a way for these men to engage in their paraphilia publicly, and to reduce the potentially threatening nature of it to those around them.

When sex researcher Dr. J. Michael Bailey’s book The Man Who Would Be Queen was published in 2003, providing a truthful and frank description of autogynephilia, the reaction from trans activists was swift. The vicious campaign to ruin Bailey’s life and career was led by three men who identify as women, two of whom had spoken openly about the erotic nature of their cross-sex identities just a few short years before. But times had changed, and dramatically. Mention of autogynephilia was now strictly forbidden.

Some of these men also became aggressive in demanding their inclusion in the LGB movement.

For instance, a group of men who identified as “trans women” demanded to be included in the openly separatist Michigan Womyn’s Festival, from 1991 to 2015. They created something called “Camp Trans” to protest nearby and urged powerful LGB organizations like Human Rights Campaign to boycott the festival for excluding them.

Their efforts worked. By 2015, HRC’s boycott had forced the festival to open itself up to men. Instead, the organizers simply shut the event down rather than destroy what had been, for decades, a safe space for women, including many who had escaped male violence.

The transformation of LGB groups into LGBT groups came at a time when they needed a new cause. Canada and the U.S. legalized same-sex marriage in 2005 and 2015, respectively. With those victories, LGB groups needed a new fight to justify their organizations.

Money played a role. Wealthy, prominent, and powerful men, including billionaire Jennifer Pritzker, a trans-identified male and an heir to the Hyatt Hotel fortune, made large donations to LGB organizations, including GLAAD, HRC, the ACLU, and ILGA. Those groups began campaigning for gender self-identification in the name of trans rights.

To avoid addressing their autogynephilia, activists embraced the idea that there is an innate gender essence, a “gender identity” that Abigail Shrier likens to a soul, that makes us men or women. This idea is less of a supported scientific theory than an ideological and legal framework. It not only avoids the stigma associated with autogynephilia but is intrinsically satisfying to autogynephilic males’ desire to be like women.

From this framework comes the view that it is a human right to cosmetically, chemically, and surgically alter our bodies, and those of children, to bring one’s sex and one’s gender into harmony. In this new reality, there are male lesbians, female gay men, and an entirely new category of young person: the transgender child.

After decades of gay rights activists opposing chemical castration as a form of gay conversion therapy, LGBT groups began calling for precisely that: the chemical castration of mostly gay, lesbian, and autistic adolescents using a combination of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones.

But because all of these demands are couched in progressive-sounding slogans, like “trans rights are human rights” and “protect trans kids,” the average well-meaning liberal has no idea what they are supporting. It’s only possible to support the forced teaming of the LGB with the T if you don’t think too deeply about it. And the devastating stories of detransitioners force people to think.

As such, the ultimate reason for the attacks on detransitioners, whether from the New York Times or other progressives, is because they create cognitive dissonance. The existence of detransitioners undermines the narrative that being transgender is an innate essence, rather than a poorly defined psychiatric condition that most young people will grow out of if given the chance to go through natural puberty.

For liberals who had accepted trans rights as a natural successor to lesbian, gay, and bisexual rights, without really thinking it through, detransitioners threaten their sense of themselves as intelligent and empathic people, and they are shocked to hear detransitioners describe themselves as victims of a form of conversion therapy.

And so, rather than confront their own beliefs about children born in the wrong body in desperate need of experimental drugs and surgeries, the Times and other progressive writers have decided to label the courageous detransitioners as irrelevant at best and sinister puppets of evil Republicans at worst.
 
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We Stan Detrans
The result of coverage like that of the New York Times is thus, paradoxically, the victimization of gay people in the name of protecting trans people.

Consider for a moment the story of Seth, a 28-year-old gay man and survivor of gender ideology. Seth said the public backlash he received after deciding he was gay not trans was so severe that he quickly withdrew from the public sphere.

“When people talk about transition regret, we’re stigmatized,” he said. “We are made to feel that our transitions were entirely our fault, and that we simply made a mistake that doesn’t reflect on other transitions. With that kind of immense stigma, it shouldn’t be surprising that so many of us choose to remain private about our regret.”

Given the abuse leveled at detransitioners who go public by powerful news media corporations like the New York Times, it’s not surprising so few do so.

Cognitive dissonance is famously difficult to overcome. The concept was invented by a psychologist who observed how adherents to a UFO cult continued to believe that UFOs were coming for them even after the predictions of the cult leader didn’t come true. The facts change but the beliefs stay the same.

As a result, many progressives will, when confronted with detransitioners like Seth, become even more dogmatic that sex can be changed, that children can consent to radical medical procedures including castration and mastectomies, and that any restriction on such procedures is immoral.

“It was jarring and sad,” said Seth. “Ultimately I felt I couldn’t handle the stress of engaging with this debate publicly. It left me in a severe state of depression because my words were taken out of context as an attack on trans people.”

But many won’t. People throughout history have overcome their cognitive dissonance, including in their views of and treatment of people with psychiatric disorders. Eugenics once enjoyed widespread support among educated people, and lobotomies were seen as the humane solution for the severely mentally ill. But cultural beliefs changed in response to the truth being exposed, and now both are looked back on with horror.

The same will inevitably occur with pediatric medical transition, and every detransitioner story told brings that day closer.

After Seth spoke out in a Twitter video to help young people like him — “gay, effeminate boys” — it instantly went viral, proving that the public wants to hear more from him. Seth still has a lot to say, and it’s likely we haven’t heard everything from him.

Nor from other detransitioners. While the Times won’t report on their “lived experiences,” we will. In March, we published a moving interview with Canadian detransitioner Michelle Zacchigna, one of a growing number of women who are suing their medical providers for giving them a misdiagnosis of gender dysphoria and then mistreating them.

And, after the Times published its attack on detransitioners, one of them, Chloe Cole, responded on Twitter in a thread that went viral, writing “The idea that there are only a few of us is silly. We are all over the web, but it's difficult to travel and testify. The criticism, and hit pieces from the New York Times are not easy to deal with. It’s not easy to rehash details of your greatest mistake.”

But, she added, “[New York Times reporter Maggie] Astor took a shot at me for the detrans rally I helped organize in March, but our event was exactly how I planned. My heart hurts every time I see a new detransitioner come out, but soon we will be too large for the New York Times to dismiss as a ‘few stories of regret.’”

And, in the vein of all publicity being good publicity, Cole tweeted, “Front page of NYT! ‘Chloe Cole had a DOUBLE MASTECTOMY AT 15 YEARS OLD.’ Nobody can deny that these destructive surgeries happen to minors. This is a huge step forward. Detrans awareness is hitting the mainstream.”

Polling shows that attitudes are changing. Fifty-seven percent of adults surveyed this year said a person’s gender is determined from birth. A Pew Research Center survey last year found that share rose from 54% to 60% between 2017 and 2022. “Even among young adults,” notes Washington Post, “who are the most accepting of trans identity, about half said in the Post-KFF poll that a person’s gender is determined by their sex at birth.”

Change is inevitable. European nations including Sweden, Finland, and England are already moving to admit the mistakes they made and self-correct. Their newspapers too, including the Times of London, are confronting the evidence and, perhaps, their cognitive dissonance. The Times of New York may never change. But many others will.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Polling shows that attitudes are changing. Fifty-seven percent of adults surveyed this year said a person’s gender is determined from birth. A Pew Research Center survey last year found that share rose from 54% to 60% between 2017 and 2022. “Even among young adults,” notes Washington Post, “who are the most accepting of trans identity, about half said in the Post-KFF poll that a person’s gender is determined by their sex at birth.”
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I would argue that the "polling" cited is BS + parents have never thought transgender boys playing on a girls sports team is ok.

The way this was written is a trick used to make a specific perspective seem "correct" or "right"

Notice how it says "polling shows attitudes are changing" this statement is implying that parents currently believe boys playing on girls teams is acceptable (It's not) but they're slowly changing their viewpoint.

Just a bunch of garbage words and sentences strung together to try and make people we used to call mentally ill seem normal.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
I would argue that the "polling" cited is BS + parents have never thought transgender boys playing on a girls sports team is ok.

The way this was written is a trick used to make a specific perspective seem "correct" or "right"

Notice how it says "polling shows attitudes are changing" this statement is implying that parents currently believe boys playing on girls teams is acceptable (It's not) but they're slowly changing their viewpoint.

Just a bunch of garbage words and sentences strung together to try and make people we used to call mentally ill seem normal.
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A significant portion of the population has yet to understand the full ramifications of supporting the extremist trans movement in terms of how it is presented to children in schools as well as how it is making women less safe. It's changing. Information is getting out - in large part due to the reduced government-sponsored censorship on Twitter and the courage of people to speak freely.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
A significant portion of the population has yet to understand the full ramifications of supporting the extremist trans movement in terms of how it is presented to children in schools
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Most people just go with the flow. If some movie stars like an idea...suddenly without thought they do too.

When forced to let boys into their girls locker rooms or play on their teams they start to reconsider.

WHen we are being forced to accept a concept that hey no there are many sexes...people start to wake up.

Doing surgeries that are life altering on minors is beyond the pale.
 
So brave... Megan Cioppino needs to go down (sorry... that's another story) in history as the bravest U.S. soccer player ever.

“‘You’re taking a “real” woman’s place,’ that’s the part of the argument that’s still extremely transphobic,” Rapinoe told Time. “I see trans women as real women. What you’re saying automatically in the argument – you’re sort of telling on yourself already – is you don’t believe these people are women. Therefore, they’re taking the other spot. I don’t feel that way.”

No, Cioppino, "trans women" are men with lipstick. They aren't real women no matter how purple your hair is. I wonder which U.S. teammate would be willing to give up their spot to a genetic male. I've yet to see a hand raised.

 
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