Bruddah IZ
DA
That's a good Socialist response.
Bad News Thread
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Desert Hound
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Thought of the day.
“The Government must now make up its mind whether the vaccines are effective in reducing hospitalizations and deaths, or not. If they are effective, then the restrictions on our lives are unnecessary and should be lifted. If they are not effective, then they should still be lifted, because in that case we are going to have to live with periodic surges of Covid-19, for the only alternative is to prolong the current assault on our humanity indefinitely.”
“The Government must now make up its mind whether the vaccines are effective in reducing hospitalizations and deaths, or not. If they are effective, then the restrictions on our lives are unnecessary and should be lifted. If they are not effective, then they should still be lifted, because in that case we are going to have to live with periodic surges of Covid-19, for the only alternative is to prolong the current assault on our humanity indefinitely.”
I think the vast majority of citizens have moved on, the government is fooling itself if it thinks citizens are still listening to the governments' directions. Other than the most fearful, everyone else is capable of making cost/benefit decisions and can see the folly of the government mandates at this stage of the pandemic. Even the majority of the compromised understand that its there own personal behaviors that put them at the greatest risk.
While it is a slam (and a pretty good one at that...the slam itself is in a grey area between just being mean and legit criticism), he isn't rebutting an argument. He's putting forth an explanation which is a head scratcher to many of us....you've been really pro masks and pro vaccine passport, so many of us are wondering why you haven't touted your vaccine and how easy it went and urged others to follow your example.
I'll double down on this. I just got my vaccine (Pfizer). Was sick as a dog for 20 or so hours including nausea, vomiting and fever. It's not that uncommon from what I've understood among people who've had Covid. I did this despite being mRNA skeptical and at the current time would not vaccinate my kids and not supporting vaccine passports. I think adults should get there's for the simple sake of making all this end.
Your turn, should you want to take it.......
He's an "N". They are all about the intuition and the feeling. They just use the data to justify that intuition and feeling. Not a real "data" guy. Sometimes it works really great and they can be fearsome because they can see things others can't, but it requires the person to be very self-critical and self-aware. Don't want to be accused of slamming him, but you can connect the dots from there.
I agree, but don't underestimate that there's a significant portion of the population (our own dad4 just being a relatively small and not too extreme example of it) that's terrified. My folks, despite being fully vaccinated, are some others...they are going out now but only in full N95s and flinch any time someone sneezes or coughs. My son's friend (who is still not being let out to socialize and hasn't left the house in over a year and isn't allowed a private phone or xbox) is another, despite both parents being vaccinated J&J.
Desert Hound
DA
My brother in law being one of them.
They came out from CA (bro and sis in law). I bet my wife that when they pull in they are wearing a mask in the car. They were.
I asked why? I said you guys are married, live together, don't wear masks in the house (that I know of), and you are not stopping anywhere on the journey to our place. They didn't have a rational answer.
They are scared.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Dad4 is scared too.
Wow, I feel incredibly bad for that kid. I'm all for families making the decisions they think is best for them but that family has no perspective IMO. I personally think that's abusive, but its their choice.
I guess I live in a different environment because I'm not seeing this significant population that is terrified among my family, friends, acquaintances, employees, associates and community. Other than Dad4 and the examples you cite I haven't heard of anyone that terrified. I have a couple Facebook friends that are a little over the top, but they appear to be virtue signaling more than anything else.
In San Diego people seem to be exercising common sense in public but they don't appear to be hiding. Granted I guess I really wouldn't know if someone is hiding.
That sucks. 1st shot or 2nd shot? I got my first Moderna shot and no real side effects other than I was really tired a couple days later but not sure the shot was the cause. A little anxious about my second shot as it seems that is when the adverse effects are most common.
1st but apparently for people who have had covid it is like they are getting a 2nd.
He's got a bee peanut allergy and asthma which is how they justify the fear to themselves. We know that asthma isn't a particularly high risk particularly among young people but then they don't allow him on the internet for fear of finding porn, the xbox for fear of getting warped by violence or social media for fear of being abducted, so there's that.
Forgive me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the Survival Rate OC C19 somewhere above 98%? Using the thee “fatal disease” for something with such a high survival rate seems like an exaggeration.
I had my 1st Pfizer shot over a week ago. Definitely felt lethargic for about 48 hours but that was about it. Only a handful of people I know had zero reaction to the 2nd shot, so I plan on getting hit with the 24hr bug when I go back.
I had my 1st Pfizer shot over a week ago. Definitely felt lethargic for about 48 hours but that was about it. Only a handful of people I know had zero reaction to the 2nd shot, so I plan on getting hit with the 24hr bug when I go back.
I heard an "expert", Harvard I think, on the news a couple weeks ago who was not in favor of those who had Covid getting the vaccine due to potential adverse reactions. At least at this point until further research can be done.
Yeah, issue with me though is it's more than a year plus and they (still!) don't know how long immunity carries. Coach's wife also had the same experience as did a friend who is an EMT.
The other strange thing they've been hearing (and it's definitely the case with me too) is that the symptoms pass quite suddenly at some point....one minute you are puking, the other minute you feel right as rain. Bit of an exaggeration but not too far off.
You are listening to too many right wing fringe sites if you think "survival rate" is used for measuring covid.
The term is used for things like cancer, where death is the normal outcome and survival is the exception.
Fair enough. The mortality rate is somewhere less than 2%. Fixed it.
The most recent thinking has the ifr around .15% The CDC had it at .2%, though recently revised its numbers upward ranging from .2% for Utah to 2% for Connecticut. This is also a problem where the micro. and macro analysis diverge. On a micro level, if you are under 65, the virus isn't that big of a deal and is equivalent to a bad flu....you are overwhelmingly likely to survive it so why worry. However, because it's so infectious, if you have to calculate that number against the world population, it's a huge number dead. Throw in that only certain people are actually really vulnerable to the thing and it was also going to be a bad result where people disagreed given that the risk is not spread around evenly.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Yeah. A bit exaggerated. My whole family had COVID and recovered over Christmas and New Years 2020. No fever, no puking. Mostly fatigue and some head and body aches. Had the flu much worse than wimpy COVID symptoms. I worked the whole time. Miss IZ just refused to be sick. The kids slept and ate, binged netflix, Fortnight, and Air Bender, rinse and repeat. My son traveled to Hawaii after quarantine and a negative PCR 5 days prior to travel. Had an epic time with family and friends. Surfed, sailed, hiked all the non-tourist trails, zip lined Kahuku and watched the waves at Sunset Beach and Waimea while slurping some Matsumoto's Shave Ice. C'mon people. Live!!
Bruddah IZ
DA
Compared to what number(s)?
Bruddah IZ
DA
Don't be confused. Fauci is. Hook'em Horns!