Nothing like continuing to ride a dead horse. While I'm a fan of science, I'm a bigger fan of reality.
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Hüsker Dü
DA
So partisan fantasyland it is.
I bet they have an awesome beer garden.
Desert Hound
DA
"However, the South American nation is primarily using the CoronaVac vaccine, made by Chinese pharma giant Sinovac, which a University of Chile study found was only 3 per cent effective after the first dose, rising to 56.5 per cent two weeks after the second."
www.dailymail.co.uk
Why nations relying on China's Covid jabs are at risk of more waves
Experts told MailOnline the spiralling crisis in Chile should send a warning to the rest of the world that Chinese-made jabs are too weak to halt the spread of the virus, even with a successful rollout.
Solves that mystery. Further points to why, unless you are going to exclude certain vaccines and make people revaccinate with Pfizer or moderna, vaccine passports will be of limited utility worldwide. China also quadruple f d the world by not being transparent about its vaccine data...first covering up the outbreak itself, then covertly buying up the Ppe, then shutting its own internal travel but letting people leave internationally and now this."However, the South American nation is primarily using the CoronaVac vaccine, made by Chinese pharma giant Sinovac, which a University of Chile study found was only 3 per cent effective after the first dose, rising to 56.5 per cent two weeks after the second."
Why nations relying on China's Covid jabs are at risk of more waves
Experts told MailOnline the spiralling crisis in Chile should send a warning to the rest of the world that Chinese-made jabs are too weak to halt the spread of the virus, even with a successful rollout.
Fda is calling a pause in Johnson and Johnson vaccine after blood clot issue in 6 women out of some millions of doses. The pause is to do a reeval after which my guess will be they’ll say “all good” with some new protocols. But the damage will have been done by then. 40% of the marines have refused the vaccine. Just when we are reaching the end of those who absolutely want it the vaccine and getting to the more hesitant this is very bad messaging.
Bruddah IZ
DA
The EUA protects big pharma from lawsuits.
'One in a Million:' Critics Blast FDA's J&J Vaccine 'Pause' as Potentially Deadly Overreaction
Complexities and Risk.
townhall.com
Desert Hound
DA
"In the race to save lives from the novel coronavirus, the United States and Britain are winning. A stunning 47 percent of UK residents and 36 percent of US residents have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. Compare that with the European Union, where only 15 percent of the population has gotten at least one jab. "
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"Looking back, French President Emannuel Macron admits, “We didn’t shoot for the stars. That should be a lesson. We were wrong to lack ambition, to lack the madness . . . to say: ‘It’s possible, let’s do it.’ ”
nypost.com
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"Looking back, French President Emannuel Macron admits, “We didn’t shoot for the stars. That should be a lesson. We were wrong to lack ambition, to lack the madness . . . to say: ‘It’s possible, let’s do it.’ ”
Europe’s vax disaster shows Trump, UK’s BoJo got biggest COVID challenge right
In the race to save lives from the novel coronavirus, the United States and Britain are winning. A stunning 47 percent of UK residents and 36 percent of US residents have received at least one dose…
nypost.com
Desert Hound
DA
I think it is concerning that Big Tech on their own are silencing certain voices based on certain topics/politics, etc.
It really isn't a good trend.
"I attended a public-policy roundtable hosted by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis last month. The point was to discuss the state’s Covid policies in the months ahead. That 600,000 Americans have died with Covid-19 is evidence that the lockdowns over the past year, including significant restrictions on the lives of children, haven’t worked. Florida reopened in May and declined to shut down again. Yet age-adjusted mortality is lower in Florida than in locked-down California, and Florida’s public schools are almost all open, while California’s aren’t.
My fellow panelists—Sunetra Gupta of Oxford, Martin Kulldorff of Harvard and Scott Atlas of Stanford—and I discussed a variety of topics. One was the wisdom of requiring children to wear masks. The press asked questions, and a video of the event was posted on YouTube by local media, including Tampa’s WTSP.
But last week YouTube removed a recording of this routine policy discussion from its website. The company claimed my fellow panel members and I were trafficking in misinformation. The company said it removed the video “because it included content that contradicts the consensus of local and global health authorities regarding the efficacy of masks to prevent the spread of COVID-19.”
Yet the panelists are all experts, and all spoke against requiring children to wear masks. I can’t speak for my counterparts, but my reasoning was a cost-benefit analysis. The benefits of masking children are small to none; the costs are much higher."
www.wsj.com
It really isn't a good trend.
"I attended a public-policy roundtable hosted by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis last month. The point was to discuss the state’s Covid policies in the months ahead. That 600,000 Americans have died with Covid-19 is evidence that the lockdowns over the past year, including significant restrictions on the lives of children, haven’t worked. Florida reopened in May and declined to shut down again. Yet age-adjusted mortality is lower in Florida than in locked-down California, and Florida’s public schools are almost all open, while California’s aren’t.
My fellow panelists—Sunetra Gupta of Oxford, Martin Kulldorff of Harvard and Scott Atlas of Stanford—and I discussed a variety of topics. One was the wisdom of requiring children to wear masks. The press asked questions, and a video of the event was posted on YouTube by local media, including Tampa’s WTSP.
But last week YouTube removed a recording of this routine policy discussion from its website. The company claimed my fellow panel members and I were trafficking in misinformation. The company said it removed the video “because it included content that contradicts the consensus of local and global health authorities regarding the efficacy of masks to prevent the spread of COVID-19.”
Yet the panelists are all experts, and all spoke against requiring children to wear masks. I can’t speak for my counterparts, but my reasoning was a cost-benefit analysis. The benefits of masking children are small to none; the costs are much higher."
Opinion | Masks for Children, Muzzles for Covid-19 News
In the guise of combating ‘misinformation,’ YouTube again censors scientific debate over pandemic policy.
www.wsj.com
Desert Hound
DA
I do like to keep bringing this up for people like @dad4 and other true believers. I know it is beating a dead horse...but beat it I will and that is because people and various gov institutions beat the drum on masks DESPITE actual evidence. If we are going to be subjected to rules, they should be based on DATA.
Studies over decades have shown masks don't do anything with influenza like illness.
Recently I posted a study from the EU version of the CDC saying that they cannot at this time show masks actually work.
And here is from the WHO in Dec who published their study/recommendations. They do recommend wearing masks. However when you read their documentation they have this to say regarding how effective masks are:
From Page 8
"Evidence on the protective effect of mask use in community settings
At present there is only limited and inconsistent scientific evidence to support the effectiveness of masking of healthy people in the community to prevent infection with respiratory viruses, including SARS-CoV-2 (75). A large randomized community-based trial in which 4862 healthy participants were divided into a group wearing medical/surgical masks and a control group found no difference in infection with SARS-CoV-2 (76). A recent systematic review found nine trials (of which eight were cluster-randomized controlled trials in which clusters of people, versus individuals, were randomized) comparing medical/surgical masks versus no masks to prevent the spread of viral respiratory illness. Two trials were with healthcare workers and seven in the community. The review concluded that wearing a mask may make little or no difference to the prevention of influenza-like illness."
Studies over decades have shown masks don't do anything with influenza like illness.
Recently I posted a study from the EU version of the CDC saying that they cannot at this time show masks actually work.
And here is from the WHO in Dec who published their study/recommendations. They do recommend wearing masks. However when you read their documentation they have this to say regarding how effective masks are:
From Page 8
"Evidence on the protective effect of mask use in community settings
At present there is only limited and inconsistent scientific evidence to support the effectiveness of masking of healthy people in the community to prevent infection with respiratory viruses, including SARS-CoV-2 (75). A large randomized community-based trial in which 4862 healthy participants were divided into a group wearing medical/surgical masks and a control group found no difference in infection with SARS-CoV-2 (76). A recent systematic review found nine trials (of which eight were cluster-randomized controlled trials in which clusters of people, versus individuals, were randomized) comparing medical/surgical masks versus no masks to prevent the spread of viral respiratory illness. Two trials were with healthcare workers and seven in the community. The review concluded that wearing a mask may make little or no difference to the prevention of influenza-like illness."
Bruddah IZ
DA
YouTube keeps removing information people need about the virus, as we know, but now the Wall Street Journal, rather a significant platform, is blasting them for it.
The most recent example comes in the form of an article by Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford, who later this week will once again be my guest on the Tom Woods Show.
Bhattacharya writes about the panel of scientists advising Ron DeSantis, governor of Florida, and the roundtable discussion they recently had that YouTube decided needed to be hidden from the public.
The other panelists were Sunetra Gupta of Oxford, Martin Kulldorff of Harvard and Scott Atlas of Stanford.
Writes Bhattacharya:
But last week YouTube removed a recording of this routine policy discussion from its website. The company claimed my fellow panel members and I were trafficking in misinformation. The company said it removed the video "because it included content that contradicts the consensus of local and global health authorities regarding the efficacy of masks to prevent the spread of COVID-19."
Yet the panelists are all experts, and all spoke against requiring children to wear masks.
The scientific evidence is clear. Consider a study from Iceland conducted early in the epidemic when masking was uncommon. The study used a representative sample to track the source of Covid infections. The authors used contact-tracing methods paired with genetic sequencing analysis to establish precisely how the disease spread. The senior author of the study, Kari Stefansson, later told reporters that "even if children do get infected, they are less likely to transmit the disease to others than adults. We have not found a single instance of a child infecting parents." Many studies in the scientific literature reach a similar conclusion: Even unmasked children pose less of a risk for disease spread than adults.
And he continues from there.
Bhattacharya has been a hero throughout the entire crisis, and has taken enormous abuse and been on the receiving end of wild accusations -- for example, that he must be in the pay of radical libertarians (as if one would need to be bribed in order to point out that lockdowns destroy lives).
The most recent example comes in the form of an article by Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford, who later this week will once again be my guest on the Tom Woods Show.
Bhattacharya writes about the panel of scientists advising Ron DeSantis, governor of Florida, and the roundtable discussion they recently had that YouTube decided needed to be hidden from the public.
The other panelists were Sunetra Gupta of Oxford, Martin Kulldorff of Harvard and Scott Atlas of Stanford.
Writes Bhattacharya:
But last week YouTube removed a recording of this routine policy discussion from its website. The company claimed my fellow panel members and I were trafficking in misinformation. The company said it removed the video "because it included content that contradicts the consensus of local and global health authorities regarding the efficacy of masks to prevent the spread of COVID-19."
Yet the panelists are all experts, and all spoke against requiring children to wear masks.
The scientific evidence is clear. Consider a study from Iceland conducted early in the epidemic when masking was uncommon. The study used a representative sample to track the source of Covid infections. The authors used contact-tracing methods paired with genetic sequencing analysis to establish precisely how the disease spread. The senior author of the study, Kari Stefansson, later told reporters that "even if children do get infected, they are less likely to transmit the disease to others than adults. We have not found a single instance of a child infecting parents." Many studies in the scientific literature reach a similar conclusion: Even unmasked children pose less of a risk for disease spread than adults.
And he continues from there.
Bhattacharya has been a hero throughout the entire crisis, and has taken enormous abuse and been on the receiving end of wild accusations -- for example, that he must be in the pay of radical libertarians (as if one would need to be bribed in order to point out that lockdowns destroy lives).
Bruddah IZ
DA
And once those alleged vaccines are in your body there is no getting them out.
I believe Biden made similar claims during a Town Hall meeting when addressing the question of a concerned parent and her young daughter.
Desert Hound
DA
And yet we have a variety of large cities where they don't have schools offering in person classes.
Bruddah IZ
DA
No doubt a gaff that was quickly censored.
kickingandscreaming
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Just for you my friend from somewhere. I can't control Crush today brother. Lot's going on today and soon no one will be able to escape the truth! I know this Normal family really well. They obey because they were winning at the old game of life that had so many cheaters playing in the game that 98% of all court cases got settled before justice got served. Camp Snoopy is closed for good and Camp Justice is now in business to deal with all the cheaters, liars, pedos, murderers and the like. The old game is coming to a close ((thank God)). It's interesting to watch this all fold out before our eyes and our brains K & S. We must think with the brain and not emotionally. Love you man
