Time to Play

MSK357 said:
no, probably not. The news didnt tell him to.
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Did mention something about accountability at the local level regarding the budgets, if they don't follow guidance money may not flow to some that don't follow. Don't think it will come to you that but if it does there will be financial consequences was the just
 
jpeter said:
Nothing specifically said about protests and cause and effect that I've noticed more about numbers, hospital capacity, face masks, and the like but I'm just listening while doing other things same time.
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But, specifically cousins playing soccer is his concern.

I said it in the original post and I'll say it again...We're Being Played!
 
MicPaPa said:
Yes, details do matter...they are much more likely to die from flu picked up at training...I wonder if he thinks clubs should shut down during flu season.
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These girl had a slight temperature but parents thought it was just a cold and used there freedom to bring there child to training.
 
jpeter said:
Did mention something about accountability at the local level regarding the budgets, if they don't follow guidance money may not flow to some that don't follow. Don't think it will come to you that but if it does there will be financial consequences was the just
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Threatening us with our own tax dollars...Do you get it yet?
 
MicPaPa said:
Threatening us with our own tax dollars...Do you get it yet?
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I get it. They take our money and use it to force us to do things.

But I want them to. I don’t want my dad to die just because some idiot was too proud to wear a mask.
 
MicPaPa said:
But, specifically cousins playing soccer is his concern.

I said it in the original post and I'll say it again...We're Being Played!
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That one got my attention for sure, all of sudden to mention that was a surprise and makes be wonder some more.
 
dad4 said:
I get it. They take our money and use it to force us to do things.

But I want them to. I don’t want my dad to die just because some idiot was too proud to wear a mask.
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Then isolate your Dad and your family if you choose...I choose not to put family lives in the hands of "idiot" government officials who were silent or encouraged millions of "idiots" too proud to wear a mask in the streets for weeks on end.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you had nothing to say about your Dad during the protest discussions you participated in, right?
 
Keepermom2 said:
It isn't about the kids dying...it is about the fact that they are or will become carriers that are asymptomatic. The capacity in hospitals will be what causes us to move to various levels of shut down. So even if you don't care about the 17% of the population that are greater than 65 years old or the 4% of the population that are immune compromised, there will still be an impact on society from a young asymptomatic person that is infected with COVID-19.
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Right, so if we keep our asymptomatic kids away from the immune compromised and the elderly with underlying conditions, whats the big deal? like i said. I dont plan on hanging out with people over 65+ in poor health. I'll wear the mask in public places indoors. Those at risk should do their best to stay away from the rest of us as well and wear masks. The more people that are healthy and have very low risk of developing symptoms should be free to be around each other, go to school, work, play sports. At this point that is the best way of developing an immunity leading to herd immunity. I dont plan on coughing in anyones face after a watching my kids play soccer if that's what you are afraid of.
 
dad4 said:
I get it. They take our money and use it to force us to do things.

But I want them to. I don’t want my dad to die just because some idiot was too proud to wear a mask.
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quarantine him. If he gets sick, you were probably idiot that didnt wear the mask.
 
MSK357 said:
Right, so if we keep our asymptomatic kids away from the immune compromised and the elderly with underlying conditions, whats the big deal? like i said. I dont plan on hanging out with people over 65+ in poor health. I'll wear the mask in public places indoors. Those at risk should do their best to stay away from the rest of us as well and wear masks. The more people that are healthy and have very low risk of developing symptoms should be free to be around each other, go to school, work, play sports. At this point that is the best way of developing an immunity leading to herd immunity. I dont plan on coughing in anyones face after a watching my kids play soccer if that's what you are afraid of.
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Yep...Pretty much what He(?) said.
 
Keepermom2 said:
Simple facts....we had 178 in ICU Beds (total confirmed and not confirmed but suspected COVID only and not including other people in ICU beds). We have a total of 676 licensed ICU beds for all ICU patients. We increased 13% over last week as of yesterday. I presented all of the facts above. What are we going to change or what is going to change that will prevent us from continuing to increase ICU beds at the same rate? Is it that all of the freedom from mask fighters are all of a sudden going to start wearing masks? I can't think of one thing that is changing that will stop the increase in ICU beds. Maybe the mandate for face masks will have a trickle down impact. I hope that is the case but I doubt it because I still see the smug ding dongs in the grocery store.
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Predicting that OC will run out of ICU beds is a speculative projection and isn't a fact. It is no better those claims that Georgia's reopening is an "Experiment in Human Sacrifice" or that Wisconsin's in person election would be a "Public Health Disaster". These claims couldn't have been farther from the truth of what actually happened.

The problem that many people have is they're looking at the health issues with blinders that only consider Covid. This has led to a gross overreaction to the virus to the detriment of other non-covid health issues. Health professionals at the highest levels believe that the health impacts of the lockdown (like non-covid treatment delays and stress) and fear of the virus will be much greater than the actual covid virus itself. (checkout the graph I've posted a few times).

Georgia was smart. They started reopening early with restrictions and its citizens took it seriously. However, other states that have waited and arbitrarily applied reopenings to only certain activities, in many cases politically driven, have lost complete credibility. As a result, citizens of these states are less likely to take things seriously when they know the decisions are not actually health or risk based. It's akin to crying wolf.
 
MSK357 said:
Right, so if we keep our asymptomatic kids away from the immune compromised and the elderly with underlying conditions, whats the big deal? like i said. I dont plan on hanging out with people over 65+ in poor health. I'll wear the mask in public places indoors. Those at risk should do their best to stay away from the rest of us as well and wear masks. The more people that are healthy and have very low risk of developing symptoms should be free to be around each other, go to school, work, play sports. At this point that is the best way of developing an immunity leading to herd immunity. I dont plan on coughing in anyones face after a watching my kids play soccer if that's what you are afraid of.
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Herd immunity....How well did that theory work out for Sweden?

"Even if infection with the COVID-19 virus creates long-lasting immunity, a large number of people would have to become infected to reach the herd immunity threshold. Experts estimate that in the U.S., 70% of the population — more than 200 million people — would have to recover from COVID-19 to halt the epidemic. If many people become sick with COVID-19 at once, the health care system could quickly become overwhelmed. This amount of infection could also lead to serious complications and millions of deaths, especially among older people and those who have chronic conditions."

I already stated over and over again....I am not worried about my kid playing soccer outside. I am worried about the herd ignorance that has been achieved from people quoting information from February and March that will result in us having to go into various levels of shut down because of hospital capacity. I presented the numbers from yesterday to show there are some concerns because the County and/or the State will have no other option but to make shut down choices because of hospital capacity. This is from today.

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watfly said:
Predicting that OC will run out of ICU beds is a speculative projection and isn't a fact. It is no better those claims that Georgia's reopening is an "Experiment in Human Sacrifice" or that Wisconsin's in person election would be a "Public Health Disaster". These claims couldn't have been farther from the truth of what actually happened.

The problem that many people have is they're looking at the health issues with blinders that only consider Covid. This has led to a gross overreaction to the virus to the detriment of other non-covid health issues. Health professionals at the highest levels believe that the health impacts of the lockdown (like non-covid treatment delays and stress) and fear of the virus will be much greater than the actual covid virus itself. (checkout the graph I've posted a few times).

Georgia was smart. They started reopening early with restrictions and its citizens took it seriously. However, other states that have waited and arbitrarily applied reopenings to only certain activities, in many cases politically driven, have lost complete credibility. As a result, citizens of these states are less likely to take things seriously when they know the decisions are not actually health or risk based. It's akin to crying wolf.
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I simply took last weeks increase in ICU hospital bed rate. The only speculation is that we continue at the same rate as last week. We have never decreased from week to week since this began so why all of a sudden would we decrease?
 
jpeter said:
Did mention something about accountability at the local level regarding the budgets, if they don't follow guidance money may not flow to some that don't follow. Don't think it will come to you that but if it does there will be financial consequences was the just
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Newsom's statements regarding this is more proof that its political, like his previous actions against OC which has one of the lowest death rates in the country for a large county. So even if you have a low rate, the fact that you disobeyed the Nanny gets you punished. So he rejects the Federal Government telling him what to do, but he's more than happy to lord over the counties.
 
Keepermom2 said:
I simply took last weeks increase in ICU hospital bed rate. The only speculation is that we continue at the same rate as last week. We have never decreased from week to week since this began so why all of a sudden would we decrease?
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Why does flu infections decrease after March/April?

There is no vaccine for this virus yet. So yes, when more healthy people get infected with the likelyhood of mild conditions or being asymptomatic, it helps us as a whole. I think I read somewhere probably based on the antibody tests that 45% or so of infected people were asymptomatic. Lets keep the vulnerable quarantined. Let the healthy build up the immunity for the rest. When the vaccine comes, great. But in the mean time, let those that are asymptomatic live life. Stay locked up if you are vulnerable. Much more logical dont you agree?
 
Keepermom2 said:
I simply took last weeks increase in ICU hospital bed rate. The only speculation is that we continue at the same rate as last week. We have never decreased from week to week since this began so why all of a sudden would we decrease?
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If you are concerned about ICU beds, Talk to the demographic that uses the ICU beds. I promise you, it isnt the under 40 and healthy crowd. Its "Time to Play"
 
MSK357 said:
Why does flu infections decrease after March/April?

There is no vaccine for this virus yet. So yes, when more healthy people get infected with the likelyhood of mild conditions or being asymptomatic, it helps us as a whole. I think I read somewhere probably based on the antibody tests that 45% or so of infected people were asymptomatic. Lets keep the vulnerable quarantined. Let the healthy build up the immunity for the rest. When the vaccine comes, great. But in the mean time, let those that are asymptomatic live life. Stay locked up if you are vulnerable. Much more logical dont you agree?
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If only we had somewhere that we could research what the facts are....we have one....it is called the internet. Your analysis is completely ignorant to what the facts are showing. Have a great day.
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