MSK357
GOLD
I'm having trouble finding the source to this information, I would love to read the details. Do you have a link?
Time to Play
- Thread starter MicPaPa
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Predicting that OC will run out of ICU beds is a speculative projection and isn't a fact. It is no better those claims that Georgia's reopening is an "Experiment in Human Sacrifice" or that Wisconsin's in person election would be a "Public Health Disaster". These claims couldn't have been farther from the truth of what actually happened.
The problem that many people have is they're looking at the health issues with blinders that only consider Covid. This has led to a gross overreaction to the virus to the detriment of other non-covid health issues. Health professionals at the highest levels believe that the health impacts of the lockdown (like non-covid treatment delays and stress) and fear of the virus will be much greater than the actual covid virus itself. (checkout the graph I've posted a few times).
Georgia was smart. They started reopening early with restrictions and its citizens took it seriously. However, other states that have waited and arbitrarily applied reopenings to only certain activities, in many cases politically driven, have lost complete credibility. As a result, citizens of these states are less likely to take things seriously when they know the decisions are not actually health or risk based. It's akin to crying wolf.
Keepermom2
GOLD
Herd immunity....How well did that theory work out for Sweden?
"Even if infection with the COVID-19 virus creates long-lasting immunity, a large number of people would have to become infected to reach the herd immunity threshold. Experts estimate that in the U.S., 70% of the population — more than 200 million people — would have to recover from COVID-19 to halt the epidemic. If many people become sick with COVID-19 at once, the health care system could quickly become overwhelmed. This amount of infection could also lead to serious complications and millions of deaths, especially among older people and those who have chronic conditions."
I already stated over and over again....I am not worried about my kid playing soccer outside. I am worried about the herd ignorance that has been achieved from people quoting information from February and March that will result in us having to go into various levels of shut down because of hospital capacity. I presented the numbers from yesterday to show there are some concerns because the County and/or the State will have no other option but to make shut down choices because of hospital capacity. This is from today.
Keepermom2
GOLD
I simply took last weeks increase in ICU hospital bed rate. The only speculation is that we continue at the same rate as last week. We have never decreased from week to week since this began so why all of a sudden would we decrease?
Newsom's statements regarding this is more proof that its political, like his previous actions against OC which has one of the lowest death rates in the country for a large county. So even if you have a low rate, the fact that you disobeyed the Nanny gets you punished. So he rejects the Federal Government telling him what to do, but he's more than happy to lord over the counties.
MSK357
GOLD
Why does flu infections decrease after March/April?
There is no vaccine for this virus yet. So yes, when more healthy people get infected with the likelyhood of mild conditions or being asymptomatic, it helps us as a whole. I think I read somewhere probably based on the antibody tests that 45% or so of infected people were asymptomatic. Lets keep the vulnerable quarantined. Let the healthy build up the immunity for the rest. When the vaccine comes, great. But in the mean time, let those that are asymptomatic live life. Stay locked up if you are vulnerable. Much more logical dont you agree?
MSK357
GOLD
If you are concerned about ICU beds, Talk to the demographic that uses the ICU beds. I promise you, it isnt the under 40 and healthy crowd. Its "Time to Play"
Keepermom2
GOLD
IT IS ABOUT CAPACITY THAT WILL CAUSE SHUT DOWN!!!!!!
Keepermom2
GOLD
MSK357
GOLD
I UNDERSTAND THAT!!!! Who are the people filling these ICU beds that have COVID? If its elderly people in nursing homes, elderly people with underlying conditions, then the mitigations should be quarantining them and wearing masks and social distancing when they have visitors. NOTHING TO DO WITH KIDS PLAYING SOCCER. THEY ARE NOT THE ONES IN ICU BEDS!!!! Writing in CAPs is fun huh?
I have too much to say already. Don't curse me for the one time I had enough sense to hold my tongue.
Desert Hound
DA
Coronavirus: Norway wonders if it should have been more like Sweden
Cost of lockdown sees prime minister raise questions about strategy
www.telegraph.co.uk
And from another article:
"Public health officials in Norway and Denmark have come to agree with Sweden’s open-door approach to schools, saying it may not have been necessary to close them for children under age 14 because of limited evidence that they contribute to the spread of the coronavirus. "
You do understand that they (WHO) is still not convinced that asymptomatic carriers can spread the virus. Their last statement went from “very rare” to “undetermined” because of the political backlash.
Can you give us a % of the population that are suffering from depression, anxiety and other mental conditions due to the extended shut down? What about them? Do they not matter?
what are families going to do this fall if kids need to learn from home while parents have to back to work in order to pay the bills?
Yes, I have had family members and friends catch the virus. So my viewpoint is not one of someone who hasn’t seen the impact that this virus has on people. The most severely affected was on a ventilator and is doing just fine today. All others never needed more than home, self care.
Anyone ever wonder why we don’t hear more about ways and benefits to build up your immune system and how immunologists have proven the effects of Vitamin D on the impact of the
Do you know why there are still so many hospitals and care centers that don’t have enough PPE for their staff? A little insight, they are broke, no $! Nobody wants to be near a hospital and elective surgeries (the money makers) have been avoided by patients at all costs.
One stat we are likely never going to see is the number of Covid deaths attributed to “medical malpractice”! People improperly ventilated, incorrect dosages of treatments, complete misdiagnosis, etc. you can try to deny it, but the facts are out there.
Desert Hound
DA
In the end we need to start playing soccer and doing other activities.
School for instance. In AZ one of the school districts is offering classes in person 1 day a week this coming year and the rest online. This for the group of people least affected? How do you think schedule works with getting an actual education.
Since most people have very little risk...and we don't know if there is going to be a vaccine or how long one will take. What exactly are we going to do?
Shut down or severely limit biz/schools/sports indefinitely?
Because essentially that is what a lot of people are saying.
If someone is in a high risk group and doesn't want to mingle don't. If you live with a high risk individual...make your own call as to what you want to do.
We cannot be shutting down teams, biz, schools(or certain classes) every time someone tests positive. We do that and we will be stuck in limbo essentially.
School for instance. In AZ one of the school districts is offering classes in person 1 day a week this coming year and the rest online. This for the group of people least affected? How do you think schedule works with getting an actual education.
Since most people have very little risk...and we don't know if there is going to be a vaccine or how long one will take. What exactly are we going to do?
Shut down or severely limit biz/schools/sports indefinitely?
Because essentially that is what a lot of people are saying.
If someone is in a high risk group and doesn't want to mingle don't. If you live with a high risk individual...make your own call as to what you want to do.
We cannot be shutting down teams, biz, schools(or certain classes) every time someone tests positive. We do that and we will be stuck in limbo essentially.
MicPaPa
GOLD
Yeah, whatever...apparently we have a different definition of "sense".
MicPaPa
GOLD
Spot on, well done.
Lionel Hutz
SILVER
You are showing the hospitialization of confirmed cases. My guess is he chose to show the hospitalization of "suspected" cases because it fit his narrative better.
To those who are saying that cases are up, but hospitalizations, ICU capacity and deaths are flat, don't forget there is a two to three week lag between cases and hospitalizations. Keep your eye on the numbers over the next few weeks.
To those who are arguing that the government shouldn't tell them what to do, they have their freedom to choose, unfortunately some people aren't educated or intelligent enough to make wise choices. That's why the government needs to step in
To those who are arguing that the government shouldn't tell them what to do, they have their freedom to choose, unfortunately some people aren't educated or intelligent enough to make wise choices. That's why the government needs to step in
MSK357
GOLD
ok, but if the concern is about the capacity of ICU beds, the targeted approach should be the group that uses them. Mitigate the risks of the demographic filling those beds. locking down events that have nothing to do with that demographic is counter productive and unnecessary. I'm not just talking soccer games, but schools and work places. If you are part of the ICU demographic, stay home, wear a mask and have everyone around you wear a mask. That should prevent increased numbers without being detrimental to the rest of society. Stay away from soccer fields. Don't ruin it for the rest of us.
Fair point