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You really want to start playing soccer don't you? You really want to bring teams from AZ and LA County to Surf Cup where the Covid #'s are going up? Oh yeah you said because its your Freedom!
Don't attend, stay at home, keep your kids isolated...These are decisions for individual citizens to make...again, that's how Freedom works.
 
You really want to start playing soccer don't you? You really want to bring teams from AZ and LA County to Surf Cup where the Covid #'s are going up? Oh yeah you said because its your Freedom!
If I'm a young dad with a young children where the flu is a greater risk, what's the problem? I dont plan on hanging out with 65+ who are in poor shape. If i go to the market, I wear a mask. Whats the big deal playing soccer outside? let the poor in health be extra careful. The rest of us will be careful around them. Please tell me, whats the demographic of the people in ICU? The details matter.
 
You really want to start playing soccer don't you? You really want to bring teams from AZ and LA County to Surf Cup where the Covid #'s are going up? Oh yeah you said because its your Freedom!
Unfortunately it is true. People have freedom to put their heads in the sand and ignore all recent studies from reputable medical experts at the expense of the people that could catch the illness from them. They have the freedom to review what the stats are showing us and say....we won't run out of hospital beds. People ultimately have the choice to choose ignorance over facts. That is why Orange County's numbers are getting worse and we have one of the worst slopes in the State.
 
You do understand were discussing outdoor youth sports for our kids, right?
If you read one of my previous posts, I see outdoor sports with the protocols put in place by all of the soccer gods as very low risk based on what medical experts have learned about COVID to date. My argument is with people that are discussing death rates etc. when they are not considering the reality of the situation that we are in here in OC that will cause the Governor or Orange County to start shut downs because of hospital capacity issues.

Yes, most people don't die but many still need to be hospitalized to battle the illness. That is the issue. Capacity to deal with the fight.
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Sorry, "Government Officials and so-called experts" were silent or cheered on massive protests for weeks, then tell me outdoor youth sports practices and games are the danger... In my opinion, they've discredited themselves and lack standing.

I see the greater danger and risk as socially isolating kids for months on end.
 
If I'm a young dad with a young children where the flu is a greater risk, what's the problem? I dont plan on hanging out with 65+ who are in poor shape. If i go to the market, I wear a mask. Whats the big deal playing soccer outside? let the poor in health be extra careful. The rest of us will be careful around them. Please tell me, whats the demographic of the people in ICU? The details matter.
The flu greater risk? That is what they were saying in February. There were 34,200 deaths from the flu in the 2019/20 flu season.

 
If I'm a young dad with a young children where the flu is a greater risk, what's the problem? I dont plan on hanging out with 65+ who are in poor shape. If i go to the market, I wear a mask. Whats the big deal playing soccer outside? let the poor in health be extra careful. The rest of us will be careful around them. Please tell me, whats the demographic of the people in ICU? The details matter.
Say that to the La Roca club. They had club training and the next day the 2 kids tested for Covid. Whole club should down for 2 weeks.
 
Unfortunately it is true. People have freedom to put their heads in the sand and ignore all recent studies from reputable medical experts at the expense of the people that could catch the illness from them. They have the freedom to review what the stats are showing us and say....we won't run out of hospital beds. People ultimately have the choice to choose ignorance over facts. That is why Orange County's numbers are getting worse and we have one of the worst slopes in the State.
What is the demographic of the people in ICU beds? If its people without underlying conditions under 40 like myself and my children I might start to listen to the fear mongering. if the vast majority are older with underlying conditions then we are in the realm of the sky is falling mentality.
 
The flu greater risk? That is what they were saying in February. There were 34,200 deaths from the flu in the 2019/20 flu season.

The seasonal flu kills hundreds of healthy children under 17 every year. There are 0 deaths under 17 from covid in california. So yes, the stats on COVID and Flu say that the flu is more dangerous to kids than COVID. How many people have been in ICU under 40 years old for COVID without underlying conditions?
 
Wow watching the governor on the conference and he's specifically mentioned cousins who get together and might pick up a "soccer" ball could spread covid if they don't maintain social distancing.
 
Unfortunately it is true. People have freedom to put their heads in the sand and ignore all recent studies from reputable medical experts at the expense of the people that could catch the illness from them. They have the freedom to review what the stats are showing us and say....we won't run out of hospital beds. People ultimately have the choice to choose ignorance over facts. That is why Orange County's numbers are getting worse and we have one of the worst slopes in the State.
The flu greater risk? That is what they were saying in February. There were 34,200 deaths from the flu in the 2019/20 flu season.

Facts matter...now do the age and comorbidity breakdowns...
 
Not really.

Limit gatherings and wear a mask seems easy enough to do. Why fight it? The mask is the least annoying of all the things happening right now.
Dad, if EVERYONE in our country followed the same rules and laws we would all be doing much better. Some get away with things and some don;t. Wear a mask and stay 6ft away is not that much to ask for with those you have no idea about. I can live that way, no problem. I like it actually, except the mask part because they fog up my sun glasses and reading glasses, but I have no issue with doing both. The kids taking their temp before soccer practice and hanging with other kids is a non issue as much as it is non issue to walk around Fashion Island or the Grove. It's more dangerous for my dd to walk around those places and have all the nice boys and men asking for her name and all that other stuff girls get hit with at 16. I feel saver as a dad that she's practicing and working towards some goals, but that's just me speaking out loud as a dad on the forum.
 
Wow watching the governor on the conference and he's specifically mentioned cousins who get together and might pick up a "soccer" ball could spread covid if they don't maintain social distancing.
I don't watch...do you recall what he, or his "experts", said about covid spread during weeks of massive protests?
 
If you read one of my previous posts, I see outdoor sports with the protocols put in place by all of the soccer gods as very low risk based on what medical experts have learned about COVID to date. My argument is with people that are discussing death rates etc. when they are not considering the reality of the situation that we are in here in OC that will cause the Governor or Orange County to start shut downs because of hospital capacity issues.

Yes, most people don't die but many still need to be hospitalized to battle the illness. That is the issue. Capacity to deal with the fight.
Sorry, "Government Officials and so-called experts" were silent or cheered on massive protests for weeks, then tell me outdoor youth sports practices and games are the danger... In my opinion, they've discredited themselves and lack standing.

I see the greater danger and risk as socially isolating kids for months on end.
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The kids playing outdoor sports at least with social distancing should have been the first release not the last because the risk of spread outdoors is less especially with social distancing. Of course they didn't know that until about a month ago. I am hoping with that insight they won't start shutting down youth sports first when they start clammoring to deal with the hospital capacity issue.
 
I don't watch...do you recall what he, or his "experts", said about covid spread during weeks of massive protests?

Nothing specifically said about protests and cause and effect that I've noticed more about numbers, hospital capacity, face masks, and the like but I'm just listening while doing other things same time.
 
Sorry, "Government Officials and so-called experts" were silent or cheered on massive protests for weeks, then tell me outdoor youth sports practices and games are the danger... In my opinion, they've discredited themselves and lack standing.

I see the greater danger and risk as socially isolating kids for months on end.
The kids playing outdoor sports at least with social distancing should have been the first release not the last because the risk of spread outdoors is less especially with social distancing. Of course they didn't know that until about a month ago. I am hoping with that insight they won't start shutting down youth sports first when they start clammoring to deal with the hospital capacity issue.
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You do realize there have been significant hospital layoffs due to low capacity, right?
 
Details matter, are they asymptomatic? Did they die?
It isn't about the kids dying...it is about the fact that they are or will become carriers that are asymptomatic. The capacity in hospitals will be what causes us to move to various levels of shut down. So even if you don't care about the 17% of the population that are greater than 65 years old or the 4% of the population that are immune compromised, there will still be an impact on society from a young asymptomatic person that is infected with COVID-19.
 
I don't watch...do you recall what he, or his "experts", said about covid spread during weeks of massive protests?
The BLM protests are a completely unnecessary risk, as are the anti-social distancing protests and the Trump rally at Tulsa. Gathering 1000 people together spreads disease, no matter what is on the sign you carry.

The CDC and NIH experts were politically constrained in what they could say. So they made up something about police brutality being a public health concern.

But all the protests and rallies definitely sent us backwards.
 
The kids playing outdoor sports at least with social distancing should have been the first release not the last because the risk of spread outdoors is less especially with social distancing. Of course they didn't know that until about a month ago. I am hoping with that insight they won't start shutting down youth sports first when they start clammoring to deal with the hospital capacity issue.
You do realize there have been significant hospital layoffs due to low capacity, right?
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That was over a month ago. Look at the numbers.
 
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