Keepermom2
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ICU cases increased 13% last week and 7.0% in one day yesterday. FYI...flat is a straight line when looking at a chart. I know the chart below is blurry but I believe you can see ICU beds have not remained flat.
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You may do whatever you want, but don't expect those who are responsible for the well-being of more than just your family to make policy based on your wishful thinking.
Foxie news this morning had that "Alert news" thing and it's kinda of scary back ground news. Stock numbers on the right, negative 600 pts, CDC numbers of this and that and more of this. TX, CA, AZ and now FL getting more cases. I think free pick up games is the way to go maybe.
Keepermom2
GOLD
I don't know where your chart came from. This is all of California. Orange County as I have already shown is worse than the overall State.
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Arizona ICU bed use is at 88%, and growing. 12% more, and you’ll start asking LA and SD to take them.
www.azdhs.gov
Arizona covid deaths are up, too. 79 yesterday.
Hope you all listened to your governor and started wearing a mask in public. He’s right.
Arizona ICU bed use is at 88%, and growing. 12% more, and you’ll start asking LA and SD to take them.
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www.azdhs.gov
Arizona covid deaths are up, too. 79 yesterday.
Hope you all listened to your governor and started wearing a mask in public. He’s right.
jpeter
PREMIER
All I know is COVID-19 is not going away and there is no quick fix. Might never be one like the flu that changes ever year with new vaccines.
When in public spaces or settings sometimes we might have to do things or take precautions we won't in private, some of us where already in that habit. I don't particularly agree with some of the restrictions even if there erroring on the side of caution but that's one of givebacks when you out in the public where not everyone is on the same page. However, as citizens we can let our voices be heard from the politicians & health officials who are making guidelines for us.
There is no going back to way things used to be, done gone. The future is always different so let's make the best of that and make the adjustments best we can to enjoy as many things as we can safely.
Sweden followed a relaxed response to the covid-19 infection, while their immediate neighbors (Norway, Denmark, and FInland) were more restrictive than most states in the USA. Just recently Sweden's neighbors closed their borders with Sweden to most traffic. This graph may explain why.
MicPaPa
GOLD
Speaking of listening to those "government officials" you so willingly subjugate to...this is where we're at.[
Arizona ICU bed use is at 88%, and growing. 12% more, and you’ll start asking LA and SD to take them.
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Arizona covid deaths are up, too. 79 yesterday.
Hope you all listened to your governor and started wearing a mask in public. He’s right.
Oregon county issues face mask order that exempts nonwhite people
Lincoln County, Oregon, has exempted nonwhite people from a new order requiring that face coverings be worn in public — to prevent racial profiling. Health officials announced last week resid…
nypost.com
MicPaPa
GOLD
Now do NY and NJ vs....say, FL and CA.Sweden followed a relaxed response to the covid-19 infection, while their immediate neighbors (Norway, Denmark, and FInland) were more restrictive than most states in the USA. Just recently Sweden's neighbors closed their borders with Sweden to most traffic. This graph may explain why.
Keepermom2
GOLD
Well said...I have scratched my head at some of the choices the politicians have made that are not consistent with the risk. One thing is definitely backed in RECENT studies and in fact history from 102 years ago....masks slow the spread and can prevent future shutdowns due to lack of hospital capacity. 102 years ago it was Northern California that was refusing to wear masks and Southern California did. Northern California was hit much harder. If I remember correctly they were hit 30% harder. (I looked at the history article 2 months ago) Right now Northern California is doing much better than Southern California where the freedom fighters for not wearing a mask (with same arguments as in 1918) are in full force fighting it every step of the way. They are going to fight us back into shut down. Philadelphia is doing great. They are fining businesses where anyone is found not wearing a mask. Probably the cemetery near by with 100s of thousands of people that died in 1918 probably helps them understand they need to head the warnings since they were ignored in 1918.
In the new normal for my family, I am managing based on risk so that we can still live our life. No indoor stuff.
MicPaPa
GOLD
So who should be fined...the one not wearing the mask or the one who comes with six feet of them?
I understand your point...do you understand mine?
Not really.
Limit gatherings and wear a mask seems easy enough to do. Why fight it? The mask is the least annoying of all the things happening right now.
Are you serious? NY was a complete clusterf%#@. Forcing nursing homes to take COVID patients. Significantly reduced subway service so that essential workers were forced to travel on insanely crowded subway cars. Deciding not to clean subway cars until the beginning of May. 25% loss in hospital beds and the worst hospitals in the country due to budget shortfalls that led to the significant reduction in Medicaid payments to hospitals. Multiple accounts from nurses of NY doctors actually killing Covid patients.
We have to stop with the doomsday predictions. They've all been wrong and have led to disastrous decisions. The fear of shortage of beds led to NY and NJ to force nursing homes to take Covid patients despite the fact that the Comfort and Javitz Center were barely used. Coumo's gross exaggeration of the need for ventilators made the ventilator the preferred treatment protocol instead of therapeutics according to some nurses. (Once your on a ventilator the odds of survival drop dramatically).
NY and NJ deaths per capita are nearly 10 times greater that the average of the rest of the nation, yet they didn't run out of beds, icu beds or ventilators.
MicPaPa
GOLD
Why fight it?
Well for starters: Because its...my freedoms, my decisions, my parenting, my kids mental and physical health. Not to mention "government officials and experts" absurd randomness, hypocrisy and petty politics directly impacting said above reasons.
Why subjugate to it?
Keepermom2
GOLD
Simple facts....we had 178 in ICU Beds (total confirmed and not confirmed but suspected COVID only and not including other people in ICU beds). We have a total of 676 licensed ICU beds for all ICU patients. We increased 13% over last week as of yesterday. I presented all of the facts above. What are we going to change or what is going to change that will prevent us from continuing to increase ICU beds at the same rate? Is it that all of the freedom from mask fighters are all of a sudden going to start wearing masks? I can't think of one thing that is changing that will stop the increase in ICU beds. Maybe the mandate for face masks will have a trickle down impact. I hope that is the case but I doubt it because I still see the smug ding dongs in the grocery store.
Here is a different website that allows comparing states. It is interesting to look by sorting on new cases and new reported deaths. Florida and Georgia (states with early opening and passive enforcement) are working their way to the top.
United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
gotothebushes
GOLD
Freedom over Health? You're joking right? We are seeing what happens with your freedom, decisions making, parenting, kids mental and physical health. Notice what's happening in Florida, Texas and Arizona because of the personal freedom rights! We also have the right to be smart about this. Let's be smart!
MicPaPa
GOLD
You do understand were discussing outdoor youth sports for our kids, right?
gotothebushes
GOLD
You really want to start playing soccer don't you? You really want to bring teams from AZ and LA County to Surf Cup where the Covid #'s are going up? Oh yeah you said because its your Freedom!
MicPaPa
GOLD
I live in SD country with 296 deaths in a population of 3.3 mil, of which over 80% are elderly with comorbidities...but the beauty of Freedom is you're free to stay home, cover yourself and parent however you want...and I'm free to make my choices...it's served us well for centuries.
Keepermom2
GOLD
You do understand were discussing outdoor youth sports for our kids, right?
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If you read one of my previous posts, I see outdoor sports with the protocols put in place by all of the soccer gods as very low risk based on what medical experts have learned about COVID to date. My argument is with people that are discussing death rates etc. when they are not considering the reality of the situation that we are in here in OC that will cause the Governor or Orange County to start shut downs because of hospital capacity issues.
Yes, most people don't die but many still need to be hospitalized to battle the illness. That is the issue. Capacity to deal with the fight.