What's going on Cal South and State Cup Semi's?

Thunderbolt said:
I don't really have anything to add to my earlier comments. It seems some people are unwilling to accept the truth.

Anaheim Surf had no knowledge of any previous CalSouth submissions when the player registered, and verified the birth certificate as required when the player was transferred in.

CalSouth rightly requested a review of those documents when a complaint was made by a team beaten by the Anaheim Surf team. The registrar provided the documents as requested. After reviewing the original birth certificate, CalSouth made the determination that the team could continue. It was the right call. CalSouth's procedures were followed and they worked to produce the right result.

When you have an original birth certificate in your hands, and a secondary form of ID in your hands, and school records in your hands that ALL CONFIRM THE 2006 BIRTHDATE, how do you ignore that?

Best of luck to all in this age group. Exciting times are ahead and youth soccer changes every year. Let's hope we can all evolve to provide the best learning environment for our kids to grow and compete to be the best in the world.
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The registrar did not provide the necessary documents within 48 hours as required by Calsouth rules and bylaws. That is why they were disqualified from state cup initially. This was explained to me directly from a surf Parent.. So im not sure how you can circumvent the rules and reinstate this team..I don't have player in this age group. Transparency is a must and i highly doubt we are getting the complete story or ever will. Congrats to AS girls for winning it on the pitch they played hard and refused to lose and shame on all the so called ADULTS for this MESS
 
RedHawk said:
The registrar did not provide the necessary documents within 48 hours as required by Calsouth rules and bylaws. That is why they were disqualified from state cup initially. This was explained to me directly from a surf Parent.. So im not sure how you can circumvent the rules and reinstate this team..I don't have player in this age group. Transparency is a must and i highly doubt we are getting the complete story or ever will. Congrats to AS girls for winning it on the pitch they played hard and refused to lose and shame on all the so called ADULTS for this MESS
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This is incorrect. CalSouth requested documents. Documents were provided. There is an appeal process and upon appeal, the correct decision was made. The appeal gave the club additional time to provide supporting evidence, which they did. The parents cooperated fully.
 
Thunderbolt said:
This is incorrect. CalSouth requested documents. Documents were provided. There is an appeal process and upon appeal, the correct decision was made. The appeal gave the club additional time to provide supporting evidence, which they did. The parents cooperated fully.
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Then Why was AS Disqualified Initially?
 
Thunderbolt said:
This is incorrect. CalSouth requested documents. Documents were provided. There is an appeal process and upon appeal, the correct decision was made. The appeal gave the club additional time to provide supporting evidence, which they did. The parents cooperated fully.
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No, the correct decision was not made. Not if you believe in fair play. Did Surf threaten Calsouth?
 
Folks, lets just leave this alone. I am certain that this isnt over. CalSouth, Surf, CQ, BT and many others will get questions from people who can REALLY dig.

The ladies of AS won the tournament and that is done. Now we get into the corruption of a mega-club and the governing body we entrust for integrity and safety of our kids. This doesnt end here.
 
Daniel Miller said:
No, the correct decision was not made. Not if you believe in fair play. Did Surf threaten Calsouth?
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Even if Surf was duped by a very clever parent, they still had the unfair advantage of an overage player. By Cal South rule and long-established precedent, any team with an over-age player should forfeit all the games in which that player participated (including State Cup pool play and elimination games) and relinquish all tournament and league awards received with such a player's participation.
 
3SoccerLadies said:
Folks, lets just leave this alone. I am certain that this isnt over. CalSouth, Surf, CQ, BT and many others will get questions from people who can REALLY dig.

The ladies of AS won the tournament and that is done. Now we get into the corruption of a mega-club and the governing body we entrust for integrity and safety of our kids. This doesnt end here.
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3SoccerLadies, I hope you are right and somebody really does investigate and provide a credible account. But I'm not optimistic that Calsouth will do anything. After all, Calsouth made the decision to let the Surf team "play on" in later rounds, despite the fact that they apparently received a competitive advantage for having used an overage player in earlier rounds. Without that player, Surf may not have advanced to the later rounds.

Calsouth caved before; what makes you think they will suddenly grow a spine? And what makes you think we (or anybody aggrieved) has any recourse? Every person on this board has a kid in Calsouth, and we have all paid Calsouth $25 each to have our kid registered in their system. But Calsouth will not be accountable to us. Calsouth will do nothing.

As for Surf and their counsel ... well, I guess we'll just have to scrape them off our shoes when we get home.
 
Thunderbolt said:
This is incorrect. CalSouth requested documents. Documents were provided. There is an appeal process and upon appeal, the correct decision was made. The appeal gave the club additional time to provide supporting evidence, which they did. The parents cooperated fully.
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Was the player DQ'ed? Not sure why you aren't answering the question. Even when other coaches told BW she played for them and is 2005?
 
AS: Team Manager - Want to hear the funniest part of all of this?

The funniest part is I'm well aware that you know where the dead bodies lie, but BW is telling you not to say anything. What makes that so funny is you haven't realized BW isn't going to take the blame for this because AS/SD won't allow him to tarnish the brand even if he wanted to. He already demonstrated this to everyone when he didn't follow through on forfeiting.

So where does that leave us, BW gets you to keep quiet and he doesn't take the blame. Soooo that leaves only one other adult who would've had the ability to change that birth certificate. I'm no attorney, but perhaps Thunderbolt can weigh in on whether birth certificate fraud is some sort of crime or not. Seems like quite the risk for a U11 state championship! I hope in the end all this is worth it. BW had his chance to make this right and passed, perhaps you'll wise up and tell Cal South about the discussions that you had last year with the entire team (some of those people have big mouths) and how the 06 birth certificate got there. It's time to do the right thing.
 
KickinitDad said:
AS: Team Manager - Want to hear the funniest part of all of this?

The funniest part is I'm well aware that you know where the dead bodies lie, but BW is telling you not to say anything. What makes that so funny is you haven't realized BW isn't going to take the blame for this because AS/SD won't allow him to tarnish the brand even if he wanted to. He already demonstrated this to everyone when he didn't follow through on forfeiting.

So where does that leave us, BW gets you to keep quiet and he doesn't take the blame. Soooo that leaves only one other adult who would've had the ability to change that birth certificate. I'm no attorney, but perhaps Thunderbolt can weigh in on whether birth certificate fraud is some sort of crime or not. Seems like quite the risk for a U11 state championship! I hope in the end all this is worth it. BW had his chance to make this right and passed, perhaps you'll wise up and tell Cal South about the discussions that you had last year with the entire team (some of those people have big mouths) and how the 06 birth certificate got there. It's time to do the right thing.
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I am not a lawyer, but a lawyer I know once told me that lying is not a crime unless you do it to cause damage to another person or legal entity. Not sure how that fits into falsifying documents to influence the actions of a youth sports organization.
 
espola said:
I am not a lawyer, but a lawyer I know once told me that lying is not a crime unless you do it to cause damage to another person or legal entity. Not sure how that fits into falsifying documents to influence the actions of a youth sports organization.
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Ohhhh, lying is one thing but changing a state issued legal document is a no no.
 
There exists a valid original birth certificate witnessed by Calsouth and others that confirms the player as a 2006.

There exists a secondary picture identification that confirms the player as a 2006.

There exists school records showing the player photo and birthday that confirms the player as a 2006.

I realize there are PDFs of one record (no originals) that tell another story. But which would you believe?
 
Thunderbolt said:
There exists a valid original birth certificate witnessed by Calsouth and others that confirms the player as a 2006.

There exists a secondary picture identification that confirms the player as a 2006.

There exists school records showing the player photo and birthday that confirms the player as a 2006.

I realize there are PDFs of one record (no originals) that tell another story. But which would you believe?
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So why are we here?
 
Could a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request be made to cal south? Also the cal south rules on their website seem to indicate that a player and/or team can be disqualified. My thing is if there was no wrong doing as Thunderbolt states and a valid birth certificate and secondary id was produced why was she dq? Something doesn't add up and I am starting to think this decision was made to benefit the brand. SMH
 
As an Anaheim Surf parent if you want me to mail you my daughters medal I will. She was more happy with her icecream after then game than her medal, the only people who care about a medal is the parents in this thread. There is a lot of speculation, and this could have made for a TV movie or Netflix documentary. The truth is this has been really hard on my daughter and family. My daughter worked hard and did everything right, and has become, in a year under BW, a better player.

I am not sure what to believe and I'm sure the truth will come out. However this is, as keeps being talked about in this thread, 10 year old girls playing soccer. I dare say the awesome teams that have played our team are better for the games played, and the AS girls are better for playing all of your dd's. I'm done with the drama, and love living in SoCal with an 06 daughter who loves soccer, because she gets to be in the most competitive environment in this age group in the country.

I am not somber in our victory, I am encouraged that it was not an easy road, and this may be a once in a life time victory for my child as there are several teams in socal developing this age group, it will only get tougher as this age group develops. Many girls will be on different teams playing for and against the same amazing soccer playing girls. We are truly blessed to be apart of this amazing age group in Calsouth.

I am not 100% proud or 100% agree with the coach of AS, but what one of you is 100% happy with your coach? Let's get to the truth and stop speculating. My daughter almost didn't play this weekend, because of this thread, and are very happy we did, not because we won, but because my daughter got to play the best of the best, with integrity and passion. I hope the truth is found, but until then let's keep a inoccent untill proven guilty mind set. I hope calsouth clears this up one way or another, so we can go back to enjoying watching our girls play.

I have met a lot of other parents this year, and have found a lot in common. I hope to meet more crazy soccer parents like me in the years that follow. We all have a lot in common, and I'm sure we would all get along. I look forward to watching all our daughters progresing in the game they love and getting to know all of you better.

Sorry for the bad grammar and run on sentences, maybe I should get writing lessons from the Technician before I post again, anyway thanks for listening to my rant. Good night.
 
Letsgetmessi said:
As an Anaheim Surf parent if you want me to mail you my daughters medal I will. She was more happy with her icecream after then game than her medal, the only people who care about a medal is the parents in this thread. There is a lot of speculation, and this could have made for a TV movie or Netflix documentary. The truth is this has been really hard on my daughter and family. My daughter worked hard and did everything right, and has become, in a year under BW, a better player.

I am not sure what to believe and I'm sure the truth will come out. However this is, as keeps being talked about in this thread, 10 year old girls playing soccer. I dare say the awesome teams that have played our team are better for the games played, and the AS girls are better for playing all of your dd's. I'm done with the drama, and love living in SoCal with an 06 daughter who loves soccer, because she gets to be in the most competitive environment in this age group in the country.

I am not somber in our victory, I am encouraged that it was not an easy road, and this may be a once in a life time victory for my child as there are several teams in socal developing this age group, it will only get tougher as this age group develops. Many girls will be on different teams playing for and against the same amazing soccer playing girls. We are truly blessed to be apart of this amazing age group in Calsouth.

I am not 100% proud or 100% agree with the coach of AS, but what one of you is 100% happy with your coach? Let's get to the truth and stop speculating. My daughter almost didn't play this weekend, because of this thread, and are very happy we did, not because we won, but because my daughter got to play the best of the best, with integrity and passion. I hope the truth is found, but until then let's keep a inoccent untill proven guilty mind set. I hope calsouth clears this up one way or another, so we can go back to enjoying watching our girls play.

I have met a lot of other parents this year, and have found a lot in common. I hope to meet more crazy soccer parents like me in the years that follow. We all have a lot in common, and I'm sure we would all get along. I look forward to watching all our daughters progresing in the game they love and getting to know all of you better.

Sorry for the bad grammar and run on sentences, maybe I should get writing lessons from the Technician before I post again, anyway thanks for listening to my rant. Good night.
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1000% support and respect my DD coach ..Such a class act and most important he truly is a great guy..My DD loves playing for him and to add the ice cream to the cake he is a great technical coach and my DD has really developed over these past few years !!!!
 
848reign said:
Could a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request be made to cal south? Also the cal south rules on their website seem to indicate that a player and/or team can be disqualified. My thing is if there was no wrong doing as Thunderbolt states and a valid birth certificate and secondary id was produced why was she dq? Something doesn't add up and I am starting to think this decision was made to benefit the brand. SMH
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I don't think FOIA applies to private organizations like Cal South, even though they are a tax-exempt public benefit corporation. You could, I guess, attempt to get answers directly from members of the BOD, or attend one of the monthly meetings, one of which should be coming up soon, perhaps the first week of March. It usually takes a month to get the meeting minutes published, since they require approval at the next monthly meeting, but when they do, they how up here --

http://www.calsouth.com/en/minutes-board/
 
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