Instead of "Not playing as a way to show support" are girls decided to show support for their teammate by playing and WINNING!!! They are NOT cheaters! Allegations were proven FALSE, that's why we were allowed to play. These girls are just extremely talented and have a great coach.
What's going on Cal South and State Cup Semi's?
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Instead of "Not playing as a way to show support" are girls decided to show support for their teammate by playing and WINNING!!! They are NOT cheaters! Allegations were proven FALSE, that's why we were allowed to play. These girls are just extremely talented and have a great coach.
I'm curious as to whether the girl in question played after the initial investigation? I've read that she was suspended for the semi-final and final. Is this the case? If she was cleared with 100% certainty, then why didn't she play? Can someone in the know provide any info on this?
Daniel Miller
SILVER ELITE
"Allegations proven false?" That's a stretch; even your lawyer doesn't say that. And if the allegations were proved false, then why didn't the girl play?
"Kids decided to show support by playing and winning?" Wow, can somebody say "rationalization?"
2hearts: I think you're a liar. Kids learn by example.
Calisoccer10
BRONZE
Yes he was let go from ODP a while ago. I did hear that.
This is all so pathetic... why would he be allowed to coach young girls soccer??
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Thank you for your OPINION of me. But I am a parent just like you and I am going off of the information that I was given. Our team proved that the player in question was born in 2006 and that is why the decision was reversed. Had she not been able to prove her DOB we would still be DQ'd. Think what you want but I can assure you that the girls that won State Cup and accepted the trophy ARE NOT CHEATERS and deserve recognition for their hard work.
Calisoccer10
BRONZE
Oh that's Sosa. Ok different coach, but still very disturbing. What is going on over at that club!? No wonder they are all leaving to the Blues. Truly wishing the best to all those girls and hope this gets resolved. For the teams that got robbed... what a crime. So unfair. Lets hope the truth comes out and something is done about this mess!!!
Did she play in the final 2 games?
ESPNANALYST
SILVER ELITE
No apparently not. Will be interested to see where she skulks off to next season and what year she plays (and if her cousins follow her)
Why did she have 3 different Birth certificates 2 that said o5 and 2 different cal south cards ...My dd has ALWAYS HAVE ONE OF EACH !!!
Daniel Miller
SILVER ELITE
I never said "the girls" were cheaters. It is the club, the coach and the parents who drove the decision to roster and play the girl. Based on everything that has been said so far on these boards, the evidence seems overwhelming that an overrage player was used, and that others on the team must certainly have known her true age.
1. She supposedly had a cousin on the team and a third player was part of the "set" coming with her from her last team. Are you seriously trying to convince me they didn't know her true age?
2. Her prior club supplied Surf with her 2005 birth certificate, and Surf allowed her to play as a 2006.
3. The lawyer admits that there were "issues" with her birth certificate.
4. The lawyer's defense is not based on the girl's true age, but on the grounds that Surf allowed her to play because Surf did not know better.
5. The girl was apparently disqualified for the rest of State Cup, or at least no explanation has been offered for why she did not play further.
No, 2hearts, I don't blame the "girls" on the team for cheating. If it happened, and it sure sounds like it did, then I blame you, and people like you, for allowing the cheating to go on.
Many years ago when I first heard of a situation like this where overage players were used by a team, the coaches and registrars responsible got long-term banishments, and the players were "sentenced" by Cal South to play a year above their age until they aged out.
Have you seen 3 Different BC's? I haven't. I know My DD is legit and worked hard to be where she is and I'm tired of hearing people talked negative about her team when they know nothing but RUMORS. If you have proof then put it up here for all to see otherwise stop spreading RUMORS and LIES about 10 year olds.
gauchosean
SILVER
Was she disqualified or was she eligible to play?
I think the gripe most people have is if she was disqualified from playing the last 2 games then the whole team should have been disqualified. If she was proven to have a 2006 birthday then why was she disqualified from playing?
The girls are obviously not cheaters. Coach, manager and parents that allowed this to happen might be.
Daniel Miller
SILVER ELITE
I don't know who your daughter is or whether she is "legit" or not. And I have no reason to believe she is personally responsible for this scandal. But even if it is no fault of her own, she is tainted by the scandal because nobody will ever believe that her team earned its medal honestly.
You're just gonna have to live with that.
I can care less about your team!! Best of luck to you and your dd..People know more than you think...
softwaretest
SILVER ELITE
Wow I missed this part. Assuming your representing AS and or SDS you've now confirmed there are documents floating around that "tell another story". This is a clear admission that at some point someone submitted fraudulent documentation.
Which do we believe??? That is the most absurd thing I have seen written. When fraudulent documents are submitted you don't get a do over to have Cal South "pick which one to believe"! Unless this latest information is proven untrue this player can never be allowed in the system again, I'm stunned that Cal South allowed the team to continue, and I'm embarrassed that I initially defended BW and the team manager when people discussed this.
Finally, until BW or the team manager provides a reasonable explanation for how this player obtained a new registration that "told a different story" without notifying Cal South, I'm going to assume you cheated. With that assumption comes disappointment because that would mean on Friday evening when you had one final opportunity to do the right thing you instead continued this charade which forced LAGSB's girls to wake up Saturday morning to the news that they were removed from the tournament. To say I'm disappointed is an understatement. Please tell me my assumptions are wrong and I've missed something.
softwaretest
SILVER ELITE
If Thunderbolt is in fact legal counsel for the club then these are no longer rumors.
Chicharito
BRONZE
The Truth
Did Eddie follow counsel's advise when he fired than unfired than fired Kyle Thomas for his decision to move to another club? Or Lindsey? Or Amy? Or the Irvine(s)? His own brother? Or Luis Balboa? What about most recently Fonseca? Eddie did not care some of these team(s) would be left out of State Cup or impacted is these situations?
Did Eddie follow counsel's advise when he disqualified a player, in his club, the week before State Cup after the parent's fell behind on payments? He most definitely was not concern with the impact to that team.
Does Eddie follow counsel's advise when he stops talking to parents/coaches who decide to leave the club?
Eddie has made much harder choices when there was less at stake. Has BW been fired for all his drama? Did Eddie keep the girl in question on the team only because the parents paid their fees? Is having the coach (BW) of Villa Park on AS staff really that important? Is Thunderbolt really a Carillo trying to clear the clubs name?
fantasyfutbol
SILVER
letsgetmessi and 2hearts:
AS is obviously an amazing team. They should be proud of winning that final. It is clear that someone in your organization is lying. That has nothing to do with your dd. In fact the reason for the lying may not have been to gain an advantage, it could be something as simple as parents wanting their family members playing on the same team. Not to get an advantage but simply to have them on the same team.
The problem is...that is against the rules. So whatever the motivation was, and regardless if the whole team knew, AS should have been disqualified. The rules are the rules. YOU should be upset with your club lying to YOU and putting something your dd worked so hard for at risk.
AS is obviously an amazing team. They should be proud of winning that final. It is clear that someone in your organization is lying. That has nothing to do with your dd. In fact the reason for the lying may not have been to gain an advantage, it could be something as simple as parents wanting their family members playing on the same team. Not to get an advantage but simply to have them on the same team.
The problem is...that is against the rules. So whatever the motivation was, and regardless if the whole team knew, AS should have been disqualified. The rules are the rules. YOU should be upset with your club lying to YOU and putting something your dd worked so hard for at risk.