Vaccine

[what-happened]

If you believe that the vaccine reduces deaths, then what happens if we all get sick before the vaccine exists?

This isn’t a difficult question. But you don’t like the answer, so you word spam.

Your problem is you live in this black and white world. Plenty of things contributed to people, dying, they always do. A novel virus killed plenty of people. They were likley going to die anyway. American society is obese and unhealthy, prime hunting ground for viruses.. This one more so than others before it. Cardio vascular unhealthyness led to mass deaths. ISending people home and telling them to call back if they got sicker killed people. Not providing early intervention with available treatment killed people. Plenty of blame to go around...novel viruses tend to do that. Did vaccines save lives...sure, Did masking..maybe. Did isolation for two weeks help, maybe..it's a novel virus. Did ventilators kill people..yep. We literally killed people thinkiging we were saving them. Turns out in many cases, non invasive venting would have been the way to go. So many things to disect.

Linear approaches to this kind of stuff is rather silly. Lockdown are always effective until they are not - lockdowns are always short lived and are counterproductive to society when they go long. Mutation is what "saved" us, not vaccines, not masks, not lockdowns.

 

[crush]

Hey you, 5 yr old, wear a mask.. hey you, healthy 20 year old, vaxxed and boosted please. The Drake meme comes to mind.

Master of the Universe: Hey husband and father of two with bills to pay and pressure to make a boat load of $$$ so you can pay to play on the planet

The Man: You talking to me?

Master: Yes

The Man: What up master

Master: You must wear a mask and take jabs of unknown substance into your blood stream or you can't work for me anymore

The Man ((me)): Never!!!

 

[espola]

Your problem is you live in this black and white world. Plenty of things contributed to people, dying, they always do. A novel virus killed plenty of people. They were likley going to die anyway. American society is obese and unhealthy, prime hunting ground for viruses.. This one more so than others before it. Cardio vascular unhealthyness led to mass deaths. ISending people home and telling them to call back if they got sicker killed people. Not providing early intervention with available treatment killed people. Plenty of blame to go around...novel viruses tend to do that. Did vaccines save lives...sure, Did masking..maybe. Did isolation for two weeks help, maybe..it's a novel virus. Did ventilators kill people..yep. We literally killed people thinkiging we were saving them. Turns out in many cases, non invasive venting would have been the way to go. So many things to disect.

Linear approaches to this kind of stuff is rather silly. Lockdown are always effective until they are not - lockdowns are always short lived and are counterproductive to society when they go long. Mutation is what "saved" us, not vaccines, not masks, not lockdowns.

"Likely going to die anyway" is a pretty loose excuse that can be used in almost any situation.

Shame on you.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

CDC and FDA 'altered' Covid guidance while under pressure, report

Federal investigators spoke to more than two dozen top-level directors and managers who worked at the agencies behind the country's public health guidance that aimed to keep Americans safe.

www.dailymail.co.uk

With time the facts start to trickle out...and it makes the gov and the maskers/lockdowners look worse and worse.

Another black eye for those agencies where credibility is paramount. It's sad.

 

[crush]

 

[watfly]

CDC and FDA 'altered' Covid guidance while under pressure, report

Federal investigators spoke to more than two dozen top-level directors and managers who worked at the agencies behind the country's public health guidance that aimed to keep Americans safe.

www.dailymail.co.uk

With time the facts start to trickle out...and it makes the gov and the maskers/lockdowners look worse and worse.

Not to be that guy but it refers mostly to pressure from the Trump administration.

 

[what-happened]

"Likely going to die anyway" is a pretty loose excuse that can be used in almost any situation.

Shame on you.

in this case i was referring to likley going to die from covid-19 once infected with SARs-COV2, not just from any situation. My bad if I didn't specify.

Are you not able to handle reality? Unfortunately many that died were soon to die anyway. Whether it was from covid-19 or another virus.

 

[baldref]

Not to be that guy but it refers mostly to pressure from the Trump administration.

Doesn't matter where the pressure comes from. Unions, right, left..... When the health agencies become political, the health part suffers. And the trust wanes.

 

[crush]

in this case i was referring to likley going to die from covid-19 once infected with SARs-COV2, not just from any situation. My bad if I didn't specify.

Are you not able to handle reality? Unfortunately many that died were soon to die anyway. Whether it was from covid-19 or another virus.

Yup. Let's all not forget two years ago when gun shot victim to the head, brain dead stroke victim and all the other ER visits were counted as died from((with)) Covid? Why? For more money, that's why.

 

[espola]

in this case i was referring to likley going to die from covid-19 once infected with SARs-COV2, not just from any situation. My bad if I didn't specify.

Are you not able to handle reality? Unfortunately many that died were soon to die anyway. Whether it was from covid-19 or another virus.

That excuse can be used for any risk. Seatbelts? Air traffic control? Asbestos filters on cigarettes? Those people were going to die anyway.

 

[Desert Hound]

Not to be that guy but it refers mostly to pressure from the Trump administration.

You are not that guy.

The article just shows these agencies bowed to political pressure. We know they certainly did as well under the Biden admin as it relates to the teachers union helping to adjust rules.

The whole process has been political from day one. Which is why so many things didn't make any sense.

 

[crush]

Fauci clarifies 'the pandemic is not over' on NPR podcast

"The pandemic is not over. Don’t anyone think that," he insisted.

 

[what-happened]

That excuse can be used for any risk. Seatbelts? Air traffic control? Asbestos filters on cigarettes? Those people were going to die anyway.

you aren't even in the same zip code and you are emotionally missing my point. I'm not giving you excuses, they are reasons.

This virus was/is going to be fatal to many people, mainly to the unhealthy and elderly demographic. Mutation is leading cause of mitigation, not masking, not vaccines, even though vaccination certainly helped to reduce mortality. I would even agree that lockdowns mitigated mortality, to some degree. Isolation always works. As a society, we did many things wrong, many. Some for the right reasons, some for the wrong reasons. The right reason was our lack of understanding, treating based on what happened last time or working off of a dated playbook. The wrong reasons were driven by politics.

 

[watfly]

you aren't even in the same zip code and you are emotionally missing my point. I'm not giving you excuses, they are reasons.

This virus was/is going to be fatal to many people, mainly to the unhealthy and elderly demographic. Mutation is leading cause of mitigation, not masking, not vaccines, even though vaccination certainly helped to reduce mortality. I would even agree that lockdowns mitigated mortality, to some degree. Isolation always works. As a society, we did many things wrong, many. Some for the right reasons, some for the wrong reasons. The right reason was our lack of understanding, treating based on what happened last time or working off of a dated playbook. The wrong reasons were driven by politics.

People who die in car accidents typically don't have 4 other contributing causes of death.

 

[N00B]

People who die in car accidents typically don't have 4 other contributing causes of death.

Beds in assisted living facilities turned over in less then three years pre-COVID. We’re closing in on that mark for the most vulnerable.

There is a reason NY handled things the way they did in the absence of other data. Kinda like the women and children first approach to disasters. Can’t argue both sides with outrage.

 

[Desert Hound]

Beds in assisted living facilities turned over in less then three years pre-COVID. We’re closing in on that mark for the most vulnerable.

There is a reason NY handled things the way they did in the absence of other data. Kinda like the women and children first approach to disasters. Can’t argue both sides with outrage.

Within 2 months of the start of the whole thing we knew exactly who was at risk. By that time it was too late as it relates to what NY did with nursing homes..FYI.

However we continued on the path of pretending everyone was at risk.

So we kept schools shut. We kept biz closed. We limited all kinds of things that didn't protect the population at large. We knew it was the elderly and people with serious health issues that were at risk. The rest of us?

There was no reason to restrict the population at large since the data showed the vast VAST majority were not at risk. And those of us looking at the data were told WE were the crazy ones and had it all wrong. Funny how with time it shows who was largely right.

Up until just months ago we heard many clamoring for mandatory vaxxes.

One has to wonder why?

Why mandatory vax someone who...

1 Doesn't have any real risk?
2 We know the vax doesn't stop you from getting it
3 We know the vax doesn't stop you from spreading it
Points 2 and 3 really kill any argument for a mandatory vaxx by the way. Our VP has covid right now. This after being vaxxed and boosted many times.

- So why mandate them to get a vax if they don't want it? It literally makes no difference to the vast majority of the population if they get vaxxed or not.

And yet many demand the person above get the vax. Why?

Note: If I were in a high risk group I would have been the first in line to get a vaxx when they came out.

So many things done made little to no sense. Especially in light of the fact that the data kept coming out showing who was at risk, how the vax was working etc.

Side note of vaxxes and certain mindsets. I have family in the bay area. One of them was proudly letting people know he got boosted (again) yesterday. His friends (mostly in the bay area) were excited and talking about them getting boosted. I couldn't help but think the booster you got lasts at most a couple of months. It is for the original version of the virus...and how many times a year are you going to take a shot for a virus that has mutated to basically a version of the flu? A lot of groupthink in that part of CA.

 

[crush]

Within 2 months of the start of the whole thing we knew exactly who was at risk. By that time it was too late as it relates to what NY did with nursing homes..FYI.

However we continued on the path of pretending everyone was at risk.

So we kept schools shut. We kept biz closed. We limited all kinds of things that didn't protect the population at large. We knew it was the elderly and people with serious health issues that were at risk. The rest of us?

There was no reason to restrict the population at large since the data showed the vast VAST majority were not at risk. And those of us looking at the data were told WE were the crazy ones and had it all wrong. Funny how with time it shows who was largely right.

Up until just months ago we heard many clamoring for mandatory vaxxes.

One has to wonder why?

Why mandatory vax someone who...

1 Doesn't have any real risk?
2 We know the vax doesn't stop you from getting it
3 We know the vax doesn't stop you from spreading it
Points 2 and 3 really kill any argument for a mandatory vaxx by the way. Our VP has covid right now. This after being vaxxed and boosted many times.

- So why mandate them to get a vax if they don't want it? It literally makes no difference to the vast majority of the population if they get vaxxed or not.

And yet many demand the person above get the vax. Why?

Note: If I were in a high risk group I would have been the first in line to get a vaxx when they came out.

So many things done made little to no sense. Especially in light of the fact that the data kept coming out showing who was at risk, how the vax was working etc.

Side note of vaxxes and certain mindsets. I have family in the bay area. One of them was proudly letting people know he got boosted (again) yesterday. His friends (mostly in the bay area) were excited and talking about them getting boosted. I couldn't help but think the booster you got lasts at most a couple of months. It is for the original version of the virus...and how many times a year are you going to take a shot for a virus that has mutated to basically a version of the flu? A lot of groupthink in that part of CA.

I have some friends that brag about their boosters. It's the cool thing to do and in their brains, the righteous thing to do as well. They are so self righteous it's like their a part of some religious cult. If you don't do boosters, you're not in their fellowship anymore. I know people who got the first jab and second jab and said no mas and no to boosters and now their labeled anti-vaxxers. The only really true elite person now is all in boosters now and forevermore. I call my best pal, "booster boy" and he calls me, "rule breaker." I know why they did this Hound and it has nothing to do with our safety or health. These people are the most selfish on the planet. They smile at you and tell you they care about you but it's not true. They will throw a knife at you in your back in order to stay on top. They cheat, spy and lie and they got busted. Hound, they cheat for money & power, plain and simple.

 

[crush]

Mark the actor got his 4th jab and he's so proud of it. Herbie from ESPN was all proud and bragging about all his jabs and now he's at home resting from a very dangerous blood clot in his blood. I heard more radio ads to make sure you get fully vaccinated and please do the right thing to protect others and get the jabs and the boosters, for free even. It's a soft approach today and more about being righteous among your fellow neighbors. I have a very sic feeling that this all going to get nastier and meaner.

 

[Desert Hound]

Speaking of more info coming out as time goes on...the case gets more interesting.

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Durham's latest: He has hundreds of e-mails between Fusion GPS and reporters

Also - DARPA Contracts and Classified data

technofog.substack.com

2022-04-25 - Durham HUGE reporter email list.pdf

Case 1:21-cr-00582-CRC Document 98-1 Filed 04/25/22 Page 1 of 62. Case 1:21-cr-00582-CRC Document 98-1 Filed 04/25/22 Page 2 of 62. Case 1:21-cr-00582-CRC Document 98-1 Filed 04/25/22 Page 3 of 62. ...

sleuthscorner.docdroid.com

 

[Desert Hound]

And on the other front...Ukraine.

Some observations.

- It was assumed the Russians would roll through Ukraine in a matter of days.

They of course have not.

- Russian equipment is not as good as was thought. In large part the country relies on a few major contractors all of which are corrupt. In the US we have a variety of manufacturers responsible for producing planes. In Russia basically all planes are produced by one company. There is no competition, oversight, etc.

The failure rate of missiles in Ukraine has been shockingly high.

Etc etc.

That said they have enough munitions to blanket bomb/level cities.

- Russian logistics are terrible
- Russian on the ground leadership is terrible. They still suffer from the fact they do not use NCO's in the fashion that the West does. By that it means allowing NCO's to make on the ground decisions as events unfold. Essentially their decision making is not nimble.
- Planning...which involves leadership has been poor. They way they have moved armor around has left them very vulnerable to Ukrainian defenses. The Russians have not used infantry properly to help protect armor.
- Maybe most surprising is how with all their planes, Russia still does not posses air superiority over the Ukrainians.
- The bulk of their forces are made up of poorly trained conscripts. They serve 12 months. That is enough to get some basic training in, but not enough to match the professionalism of lets say US troops who have longer terms/more training. The lack of training is very apparent in terms of how badly the Russians have done in Ukraine.

All in all it has been rather eye opening in terms of how badly they have performed since the invasion.

 

[crush]

And on the other front...Ukraine.

Some observations.

- It was assumed the Russians would roll through Ukraine in a matter of days.

They of course have not.

- Russian equipment is not as good as was thought. In large part the country relies on a few major contractors all of which are corrupt. In the US we have a variety of manufacturers responsible for producing planes. In Russia basically all planes are produced by one company. There is no competition, oversight, etc.

The failure rate of missiles in Ukraine has been shockingly high.

Etc etc.

That said they have enough munitions to blanket bomb/level cities.

- Russian logistics are terrible
- Russian on the ground leadership is terrible. They still suffer from the fact they do not use NCO's in the fashion that the West does. By that it means allowing NCO's to make on the ground decisions as events unfold. Essentially their decision making is not nimble.
- Planning...which involves leadership has been poor. They way they have moved armor around has left them very vulnerable to Ukrainian defenses. The Russians have not used infantry properly to help protect armor.
- Maybe most surprising is how with all their planes, Russia still does not posses air superiority over the Ukrainians.
- The bulk of their forces are made up of poorly trained conscripts. They serve 12 months. That is enough to get some basic training in, but not enough to match the professionalism of lets say US troops who have longer terms/more training. The lack of training is very apparent in terms of how badly the Russians have done in Ukraine.

All in all it has been rather eye opening in terms of how badly they have performed since the invasion.

Go deeper Hound