Vaccine

espola said:
"Last reviewed: January 20, 2022 "

"There is a lack of consensus among society and organizational guidelines on whether remdesivir should be used in the management of COVID-19, given the varying results in existing clinical trial data."

"Overall, there is conflicting data, but it appears based on randomized trials that remdesivir does not provide an overall mortality benefit to the aggregated group of patients hospitalized with COVID-19, but that it does reduce time to clinical improvement when given early in the course of illness and/or to patients with mild hypoxia but less severe disease."

Therapeutics

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That's a study, go talk to the hospitals and see if their using it. Let me make it easy for you, they are. That's hardly a bullshit treatment.
 
watfly said:
That's a study, go talk to the hospitals and see if their using it. Let me make it easy for you, they are. That's hardly a bullshit treatment.
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It's not "a study", it's a summary of "studies", put together by the Infectious Diseases Society of America, a non-profit organization of doctors and researchers in the field.

www.idsociety.org

Mission & Values

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watfly said:
That's a study, go talk to the hospitals and see if their using it. Let me make it easy for you, they are. That's hardly a bullshit treatment.
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Him and Evil are something else....lol! Bells palsy and blood clot worry is the new fear for adults under 45. Plus, death :( I saw a video of babies born from parents who were both fully jabbed and babies had black eyes and they looked like their 90 and they were only 3 months old. I don;t post it on here because it's scary shit. I saw another video of a half human and half animal coming from underground tunnels in Ukraine. To be 100% honest with you, I have some ideaz who telling the truth and who the big liars are. It's getting really hard today to know for sure who is honest.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
That sounds about right based on my understanding. It's one of these big complex carbon ring things that does a little bit of everything. There are some general anti-viral properties associated with ivermectin that may help with management as it is put in the blurb, probably meaning reducing viral load after infection. Given its rapid rate of clearance from the body, however, there is probably no way to get it as sufficiently high circulating concentration to force it onto the airway side of mucosal membranes to prevent Cov-2 from binding Ace2 on the outside of cells, which is a study that some people are going off of. So the physiology/targeting of the drug just does not lend itself to a preventative. The plus side is that people who OD on it generally recover because it is cleared fast. Safer than drinking bleach at any rate.
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Are you referring to remdesvir or ivermectin here?
 
dad4 said:
”team reality” kind of has two camps.

One group got their shots, wore their masks, and moved their social life outdoors. The people who kept their dinner reservation, but asked for an outdoor table. Basically trying to do what they could to help, within reason.

Then there are the people who spent the whole time pretending that nothing was happening. These are the ones who held private dinner parties while restaurants were closed, took multiple out of state trips as soon as they could, only wore a mask when absolutely required, and never got vaccinated.

The first group was pretty realistic. The second group was not.

And, if you want to point out that certain politicians have more in common with group 2 than group 1, you’re right.
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In the end, Pelosi and I are on different teams, yet have much in common regarding covid.

Both over 60, not in the best health, got covid, mild symptoms, no hospitalization or serious complications.

Major points we did not have in common, she is fully vaxed and I am not vaxed, she overplayed the mass game and I did not, she did not practice what she preached and I did - oh, and she is a looney lefty and I'm a Conservative.
 
MicPaPa said:
In the end, Pelosi and I are on different teams, yet have much in common regarding covid.

Both over 60, not in the best health, got covid, mild symptoms, no hospitalization or serious complications.

Major points we did not have in common, she is fully vaxed and I am not vaxed, she overplayed the mass game and I did not, she did not practice what she preached and I did - oh, and she is a looney lefty and I'm a Conservative.
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This you can 100% change and I will pull for you to be the best under 70 man out there.
 
espola said:
Also HCQ and remdesvir. I remember Grace quoted a study examined in one of the videos from the English nursing professor that showed remdesvir had better results than placebo in a double-blind study. I commented at the time that if one looked at the raw data presented in the study, the placebo group had better results than the untreated public. That suggests that we could just hand out sugar pills or saline injections without the risk of any dangerous side effects, and much cheaper, too.
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The difference with you and @Grace T. is we respect what she has to say.

Oh yeah, almost forgot: "and keep her name out yo mouth!"
 
thirteenknots said:
The document LIAR on this forum is none other than YOU Adam Espola Schiff.




* One hundred % correct.... He knows what he's done and posted in the
past, the original " Forum " despised him for the sick desviado comments he made.
He knows it's TRUE.
He can deny it all he wants. But it is TRUE !
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Fact Check: ALSO TRUE
 
MicPaPa said:
In the end, Pelosi and I are on different teams, yet have much in common regarding covid.

Both over 60, not in the best health, got covid, mild symptoms, no hospitalization or serious complications.

Major points we did not have in common, she is fully vaxed and I am not vaxed, she overplayed the mass game and I did not, she did not practice what she preached and I did - oh, and she is a looney lefty and I'm a Conservative.
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Over 60 doesn’t begin to describe it. Pelosi is 82.

For covid, 62 and 82 are not at all similar. Unless you are seriously overweight, Pelosi’s risk has to be at least ten times yours.

Glad your case was mild. Remember there is a second question: how many people were indoors with you in the 3 days just before you suspected you were infected?
 
espola said:
Nice analysis, but it didn't answer the question about the bullshit cures. How can a group claim to be "reality" when part of its schtick includes fantasies?
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Interesting take. There is plenty of bullshit science on the market, everyone has a little piece of the shit pie. Plenty of money to be made on based off of sleight of hand data, shady represation, and some flat out lying. Ivermectin, myocarditis, RCTs, vaccines...you can go on and on. Smart practicioners take everything with a grain of salt and look at all data and make their own informed decision on treatment for their patients.. Sure, there are idiots who try and dose on their own - just like the dummies who think triple masking, bandanas, and personalized fashion cloth masks work.
 
dad4 said:
Over 60 doesn’t begin to describe it. Pelosi is 82.

For covid, 62 and 82 are not at all similar. Unless you are seriously overweight, Pelosi’s risk has to be at least ten times yours.

Glad your case was mild. Remember there is a second question: how many people were indoors with you in the 3 days just before you suspected you were infected?
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BMI has me at obese, my height and past life has me carrying it well, for now.

My point is, understanding a lot of factors and variables go into covid outcomes and deaths, generally, there were many similar outcomes with dissimilar preventive measures, especially pre vaccine.

A small indoor week-long conference, everyone picked up covid on day four from the vaxxed facilitator, one serious case for a vaxxed, but multiple comorbidity guy.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
That sounds about right based on my understanding. It's one of these big complex carbon ring things that does a little bit of everything. There are some general anti-viral properties associated with ivermectin that may help with management as it is put in the blurb, probably meaning reducing viral load after infection. Given its rapid rate of clearance from the body, however, there is probably no way to get it as sufficiently high circulating concentration to force it onto the airway side of mucosal membranes to prevent Cov-2 from binding Ace2 on the outside of cells, which is a study that some people are going off of. So the physiology/targeting of the drug just does not lend itself to a preventative. The plus side is that people who OD on it generally recover because it is cleared fast. Safer than drinking bleach at any rate.
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As is the case for most things - good studies needed to be performed, without media and political influcence Stuff coming out of cornell, in preprint shows promise VS omicron, outperforming other medications on the market. At a minimum, ivermectin's anti inflammatory properties will aid in recovery and possibly prevent/protect against organ damage. Prescribed and admnistered correctly, there is more potential upside with minimal to zero downside. It's one of the safest known prescribed medications on the planet. But don't tell anyone that.

Would I 100% rely on ivermectin as treatment and prevention..uhh, no. In most cases drs treat disease as a whole. Trying to do basic math and adminstering it from the feed store is never a good thing, unless you are decent at math. I'd be more concerned with people taking other's left over corticosteroid prescription
 
what-happened said:
Smart practicioners take everything with a grain of salt and look at all data and make their own informed decision on treatment for their patients..
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100%. One of my best pals is a really good doctor and does not take bribes or kickbacks and cannot be bought. The pill pushers that come by his office he pushes them next door. This Doc has all the degrees and could prescribe any pills all day or elect to do expensive surgeries and make bank. Nope, he only does Holistic healing with a taste of some western medicine. He and his pateient make all the decisions. He could have got some big time bonuses but he said no to the quick pay out for more time and the more he saw with his time, he could give great advice. He helps you heal yourself first :)
 
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