Vaccine

At the end of the day you have to be your own advocate. My dad had some severe complications after a surgery. My mom told the doctor that he was dehydrated. The doctor scolded my mom "what do you know hydration". He adamantly denied that that was the problem. After some back and forth and advocacy from the nurse they pumped him full of fluids. He was back to normal in less than a day.

The problem is not that some doctors and experts are stupid. The problem is they're arrogant and are not to be questioned. It's the same arrogance from politicians and public health officials that think they know what's best for everyone.
Doctors, not all, are in a different silo. And the malpractice insurance industry sets premiums accordingly.
 
Exactly, he gives titles of articles, shares short quotes from various sources, but also shares partially accurate information and makes some large assumptions. It was a weird approach, in my opinion, and I wouldn't use this as a source for much. Because some of the things he said were flat out wrong, it made me question his credibility on this topic.
Good Sunday morning Roadrunner. Let's see if Husker wakes up from his long night. I know 100% Dad 4 had some freaking gnarly dreams and is wondering if what I'm saying might actually have some truth to it. Espola is napping and has decided to be a liar. Tenacious, I love you and I know you thought I was crazy. I'm only crazy for freedom. You can believe whatever you want. Espola is now having nightmares of cold sweats because judgement day is coming. Each will be rewarded for the work done. Remember everyone, man looks at the outward appearance and all his wealth in his barn while God almighty and Christ look at the heart and what the brain plans each day in each human. No escape. We have it all. Make the deal and enter paradise when this game is over. Evil Goalie, I'm not sure bout him. I pray for good dreams for him to see that I come from truth and only mean peace but peace for all, not just the elitist who think they own us. They did, but not no more. The light won you guys. Get busy with freedom, it's here :)
 
They have had more than a year to study the issue and have yet to come up with something more definitive. It’s almost as if they don’t want to know the answer.
What do you mean? We have a long history of eradicating respiratory diseases by mandating SIP orders and allowing the government to deny our rights to due process. Unelected officials acting as a 3rd party have been allowed to abrogate contracts, muting the first and only two parties.
 
What do you mean? We have a long history of eradicating respiratory diseases by mandating SIP orders and allowing the government to deny our rights to due process. Unelected officials acting as a 3rd party have been allowed to abrogate contracts, muting the first and only two parties.
All I can say man is that is the Campbell video turns out to be correct you will have completely chumped out dad 4 and blown my mind…you will have been more right than him (or me for that matter)
 
 
Here's the counter position to the booster. ..natural immunity is actually more robust than vaccine immunity just because it operates in a variety of different ways to stop infection, while the vaccines only operate on the spike protein.

Grace, there's a reason (actually more than one) for why the effective vaccines against SARS-CoV2 are focused on the spike protein, and not on trying to give the immune system a wide range of different protein targets to sample. It is also partly why the monoclonal antibody treatments for mild-moderate covid are directed only against the spike protein.

Maybe a soccer analogy would help? Let's see, your team has to defend against a PK, and in this game, the rules are such that you can add 10 additional players to try to defend against the PK. I'm going to guess that you would want to add 10 goalkeepers in goal, rather than place 10 other players all over the field. Maybe someone else has a better soccer analogy.....
 

Exactly, he gives titles of articles, shares short quotes from various sources, but also shares partially accurate information and makes some large assumptions. It was a weird approach, in my opinion, and I wouldn't use this as a source for much. Because some of the things he said were flat out wrong, it made me question his credibility on this topic.
In other words: “I like him when he is doing this stuff with things I agree with, but on this topic I don’t like it”. Guy has been very pro npi. You see even the mask thing behind him. The fact that THIS GUY is summarizing this applicable data (which you are welcome to do a deep dive on…I’ve gone to those sources too but I could never do that data as good a summary particularly since I’m not convinced it’s right) is what’s particularly shocking. He was more dr doom at the start of this than even dad4. It’s a summary…which he optimistically leans into. It’s also an accurate description of what the uk government has decided to do and the assumptions behind its policy. Call it Sweden 2.0 if you like.
 
I think the implications are related to the efficacy of immunity from natural infection and repeated exposure… via vaccine or otherwise.

What it is not, is a policy recommendation to willfully expose individuals or not use NPI’s, or not promote booster shots.

Espola’s ‘fact check’ gets an passing grade from me… assuming he admits that he fact checked a presumption as to your opinion.

What is evident to me from the Campbell is that those who are fully vaccinated and also have had the actual disease, before or after the vaccination, are the best protected.

What is not evident to me from the Campbell video is any reason for Grace to be crowing about it.
 
Grace, there's a reason (actually more than one) for why the effective vaccines against SARS-CoV2 are focused on the spike protein, and not on trying to give the immune system a wide range of different protein targets to sample. It is also partly why the monoclonal antibody treatments for mild-moderate covid are directed only against the spike protein.

Maybe a soccer analogy would help? Let's see, your team has to defend against a PK, and in this game, the rules are such that you can add 10 additional players to try to defend against the PK. I'm going to guess that you would want to add 10 goalkeepers in goal, rather than place 10 other players all over the field. Maybe someone else has a better soccer analogy.....
I agree with your first paragraph. It’s why I’ve been in the bruddah can’t be right camp. It’s why I’m not all in to the Campbell video. Totally understand and agree with the point you are making.

but you soccer analogy fails. Reason we know this is because of the standard idfk defense. The defense is to have the field players form a wall in goal and have the gk rush out. If you had 10 gks try to rush out (instead of forming the wall) they’d get in a jumble trying to grab the ball. There’s also be no one on offense. I’d rather have 2 gks (one for each post), 8 super tall field players to form the wall across goal, and 1 player who is faster than anyone else to go on a breakaway.
 
What is evident to me from the Campbell is that those who are fully vaccinated and also have had the actual disease, before or after the vaccination, are the best protected.

What is not evident to me from the Campbell video is any reason for Grace to be crowing about it.
Foolish, stupid and a lie. No jab, no mask, no fear and eat healthy, veggies, fruits, nuts & salads, No meat or booz. This is the true truth of all this. My personal experience does not need no Campbell study or any study. My eyes and ears are not stupid or blind. This is a lie everyone. Espola is not a Dr. he has no kids playing soccer so his only business here is to talk you into getting jabbed and not to believe in Christ. He is on the side of lying and that is where Lucifer holds court.
 
What is evident to me from the Campbell is that those who are fully vaccinated and also have had the actual disease, before or after the vaccination, are the best protected.

What is not evident to me from the Campbell video is any reason for Grace to be crowing about it.
Because you are moron that can’t even see the logic of what you are saying. If vaccination substantially removes the risk of severe disease (which is a big if in the line of thinking the uk govt has outlined) and assuming you want to you know actually end the pandemic by having it people “best protected”…you’d want people to have a vaccine and a mild case of the disease itself. Doing npis that prevent this, particularly when people are at the height of their vaccine immunity, would be counterproductive. Hence the uk approach
 
Because you are moron that can’t even see the logic of what you are saying. If vaccination substantially removes the risk of severe disease (which is a big if in the line of thinking the uk govt has outlined) and assuming you want to you know actually end the pandemic by having it people “best protected”…you’d want people to have a vaccine and a mild case of the disease itself. Doing npis that prevent this, particularly when people are at the height of their vaccine immunity, would be counterproductive. Hence the uk approach

I'm struggling with this, but I can't make sense of it. The reason you are acting so badly is because I am a moron?
 


In other words: “I like him when he is doing this stuff with things I agree with, but on this topic I don’t like it”. Guy has been very pro npi. You see even the mask thing behind him. The fact that THIS GUY is summarizing this applicable data (which you are welcome to do a deep dive on…I’ve gone to those sources too but I could never do that data as good a summary particularly since I’m not convinced it’s right) is what’s particularly shocking. He was more dr doom at the start of this than even dad4. It’s a summary…which he optimistically leans into. It’s also an accurate description of what the uk government has decided to do and the assumptions behind its policy. Call it Sweden 2.0 if you like.

No Grace, you are putting words into my mouth. On top of that it is not even a good, thoughtful summary. I have been in this area scientifically for a while, so yes, I'm trying to keep up on the papers. I don't spend time watching videos and caring what props they have in the background.
 
Exactly, he gives titles of articles, shares short quotes from various sources, but also shares partially accurate information and makes some large assumptions. It was a weird approach, in my opinion, and I wouldn't use this as a source for much. Because some of the things he said were flat out wrong, it made me question his credibility on this topic.

And then Grace picks and chooses from his statements to further her own agenda.
 
No Grace, you are putting words into my mouth. On top of that it is not even a good, thoughtful summary. I have been in this area scientifically for a while, so yes, I'm trying to keep up on the papers. I don't spend time watching videos and caring what props they have in the background.
Ah I thought you were attacking the messenger Campbell. So if I’m mistaken sorry for that. But if you’ve read the papers then what are your opinions on the Uk approach?

so if you are in the area please opine as in myself am trying to come to a conclusion. The us andUk approaches are beginning to diverge. The us particularly blue areas the Biden admin can influence want to hold down natural immunity through lower level npis. The Uk has lifted most restrictions and is pursuing natural immunity as a component. Who is right and why?
 
I'm struggling with this, but I can't make sense of it. The reason you are acting so badly is because I am a moron?
and a liar. You speak Satan bro. It's obvious you were EOTL and still have him in your heart. You only have one way out. EOTL treated Grace the same way. You have a problem with woman who can out fox you and smart you. You dont like woman. You were hurt by them when you were a young boy. Total loser & liar you have become Espola. I stand for the truth and the truth has no side, it's just the plain truth and nothing but the truth. Jesus is the way and the truth and that is 100% true. I love him :) No way around the truth dude. Time is up, right? You do feel it now. This why I'm the only one you have ignored. Light & darkness have nothing in common. Stay alone in your dark cave unless you want to clean yourself of the dirt in your callous heart.
 
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