Vaccine

Nuremberg Code #4

The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
 
watfly said:
At the end of the day you have to be your own advocate. My dad had some severe complications after a surgery. My mom told the doctor that he was dehydrated. The doctor scolded my mom "what do you know hydration". He adamantly denied that that was the problem. After some back and forth and advocacy from the nurse they pumped him full of fluids. He was back to normal in less than a day.

The problem is not that some doctors and experts are stupid. The problem is they're arrogant and are not to be questioned. It's the same arrogance from politicians and public health officials that think they know what's best for everyone.
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Accountability, sufficient staffing, are important, as is asking questions. Knowing which questions to ask can be more difficult. In the case of medical care, having additional people who can help / advocate including for those hospitalized can make a difference. With restrictions on visitors, it's even harder to be able to do that.
 
Nuremberg Code #5

No experiment should be conducted, where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
 
Grace T. said:
So I’ve been reading Scott Gottlieb on the boosters and it’s interesting, particularly coming from him given how deeply he’s neck deep in big pharma. But I’ve felt he’s a thoughtful guy that’s even acknowledged his own mistakes such as the overreach on the early npis. Basically have been trying to understand why they are recommending a booster (which isn’t adapted to the delta) 8 months out. Most childhood vaccines operate this way: you need multiple exposures to build long term immunity spaced out over years. It’s that second shot spaced out anywhere from 2 months to 4 years which really gives you a boost (different for dtap for example than varicella) and long term immunity. Well his argument is that Pfizer and moderna did their two shot protocols because of what the fda was demanding by way of numbers and timing. The fda goofed, in other words, because of the short window for testing (the protective numbers decline over time which is why we saw breakthroughs on 3 senators 8 months out) necessitated by rushing the vaccine and because of the demand by the fda (and the trump admin) for high numbers so this thing could end. Both shots are essentially prime when the proper protocol would have been prime and then 8 months-1 year out another but that would have meant Some unknown number of people (mostly elderly and immunocompromised) would have been vulnerable during this time period.

so knowing hindsight is 20/20 but acknowledging this is probably yet another expert goof that they should have taken into account based on prior vaccine experience, here’s my read: the protocol probably should have been different for the elderly than everyone else; such a different protocol would have reduced the chances of myocarditis in young people and other side effects since they seem tied to the second shot (and now it’s unclear since there hasn’t been extensive testing what that third shot will do); they will mandate the third shot; we have yet to see if the third shot (unmodified against the delta) Will produce against the delta the desired result: it may substantially end these waves or if the delta continues to mutate (this virus though only has certain limited room to mutate so it will eventually run out of tricks) a fourth modified vaccine will be required and will be mandated.
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explains why UK did well by delaying the second shot.
 
Roadrunner said:
I would have to look up the data. There's not 0 risk ((ya I know)) from these vaccines (or any vaccine) ((this is NOT a vaccine)), and the risks can be different depending on the particular vaccine.
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Please see what you can find regarding the actual risk to death and injury regarding the Spike Protein made out of Wuhan. I think if you claim debunked news, then it's important to back up your claim. I showed stats. Where are your stats Rr? Please show the debunk results, the link and the true numbers, if you can find them...lol! Maybe deaths from adverse effects is somewhere between 1-300,000 deaths? Injuries is through the roof from what I hear but I guess it's lies too. Check this out Sherlock. The "experts" are blaming folks like me for catching the virus after they got two shots. That's just what your itching ears want to hear. Tickle lies is all you like so you can keep the good life. You people hate God fearing and free thinking types and those who dare ask a question about this and that and what's in IT. The tables are turning and you will be last if you keep up your attitude. FDA approval will hit us next week and soon the assholes who love control, power & money will make their last stand. It will fail but the damage will be done. I can clearly see the board on the forum. The die hard Elitist are most likely card caring Atheist and believe in being a Communist over being an American. Some sold their soul for 30 coins and a taste of power. No one wants to admit this except one of my pals from college debate class. Dude and I stayed friends. I asked him straight up. Kneel with Joe and China or allow T's group reinstated because? He said hands down Joe & China over T and his supporters being back in power. What about cheating in the election I asked? He said no cheating and t is the problem and his supporters. This guy wears a mask 24/7 and got his shots. Parents left him millions so he's set for life. He get's me 100% and told me it's best I move out of the state because.
 
The teenage witch star is blaming her kids for catching the virus and is mad they were not wearing a mask at school. She already had the jabs so she certainly can;t blame something else. Nope, it;s those damn kids fault. This is sad, to blame your own kids. Plus, I dont believe her. Thoughts Roadrunner?


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crush said:
Please see what you can find regarding the actual risk to death and injury regarding the Spike Protein made out of Wuhan. I think if you claim debunked news, then it's important to back up your claim. I showed stats. Where are your stats Rr? Please show the debunk results, the link and the true numbers, if you can find them...lol! Maybe deaths from adverse effects is somewhere between 1-300,000 deaths? Injuries is through the roof from what I hear but I guess it's lies too. Check this out Sherlock. The "experts" are blaming folks like me for catching the virus after they got two shots. That's just what your itching ears want to hear. Tickle lies is all you like so you can keep the good life. You people hate God fearing and free thinking types and those who dare ask a question about this and that and what's in IT. The tables are turning and you will be last if you keep up your attitude. FDA approval will hit us next week and soon the assholes who love control, power & money will make their last stand. It will fail but the damage will be done. I can clearly see the board on the forum. The die hard Elitist are most likely card caring Atheist and believe in being a Communist over being an American. Some sold their soul for 30 coins and a taste of power. No one wants to admit this except one of my pals from college debate class. Dude and I stayed friends. I asked him straight up. Kneel with Joe and China or allow T's group reinstated because? He said hands down Joe & China over T and his supporters being back in power. What about cheating in the election I asked? He said no cheating and t is the problem and his supporters. This guy wears a mask 24/7 and got his shots. Parents left him millions so he's set for life. He get's me 100% and told me it's best I move out of the state because.
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Well, I'm pretty sure that you could find the articles debunking this disinformation if you were motivated to do so. Clearly you know how to Google and have some time in your hands. If you were truly looking for real data and information, I would be happy to take the time to post it for you. But, it's a beautiful Saturday, and I am enjoying it with my family.
 
@Rr, my wife sent me scene shot and a pic. Here are her words. I will not sure pic of stuff all over her heart are but it's sad and true. Try and debunk this. Dare any of you. Double dog dare any of you.

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It was cut off at the bottom but she is asking everyone to slow down and research and ask questions.
 
Roadrunner said:
Well, I'm pretty sure that you could find the articles debunking this disinformation if you were motivated to do so. Clearly you know how to Google and have some time in your hands. If you were truly looking for real data and information, I would be happy to take the time to post it for you. But, it's a beautiful Saturday, and I am enjoying it with my family.
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Ask Kennedy and all the Marines how their doing. Enjoy your Saturday bro. Checkmate!!!
 
"People who don't want the vaccine aren't "refusing" it. You don't say a person is "refusing" to take anti-depressants. Or "refusing" to get married. You can decline without refusing. You decide what's best for you. Refuse is a manipulative term, loaded with unfair moral pressure." Ben from Irvine-

I agree Ben. Plus, they can only "encourage" folks who decline the jabs to reconsider rolling up their sleeve to take two for the team ((if they feel safe)) plus all the boosters THEY ((THE EXPERT DR. F)) say to take. I'm shocked that people do what he recommends. He's one dude with no clue. I ain't never going to take this fraudsters advice. Never never never. The cops down under are nasty cops btw. I do not see cops treating their neighbors in America like I see on TV down under and not named Fox or friend CNN. This is real news and it's starting to get HOT!!!
 
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Cult leader?

vaccine passport= baptism certificate
mask= hijab
priest=scientist
tenets=CDC guidelines
saints=Gates, Fauci
heretics=anti-vaxxers
holy forever communion= booster shots forever
 
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