Ps my 12 year old and I just had this fight. “You can have Mexican or bbq for lunch”. “I want crawfish”. “Sorry dude they just went out of season…how bout versailles”. “I want crawfish”. “Sigh”.
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Bruddah IZ
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Hypothesis: the majority of people currently taking offense at analogies between lockdowns and the Taliban (or North Korea or other similar authoritarian regimes) are doing so primarily because these comparisons hit a little too close to home for their own comfort.
Yes, the comparisons involve a degree of hyperbole and intentionally so. But there’s more than enough of an authoritarian flavor to lockdowns, to the ways they were enacted, and to the basic curtailment of freedom that they entail to place them in the same ballpark as the types of policies that we usually associate with third world dictatorships or communist regimes.
Of course we also know that most of the offense taken here is feigned precisely because the very same people who get outraged at these comparisons spent the last 1.5 years indulging in far more severe hyperbole by likening even modest expressions of skepticism about lockdowns and masks to eugenics, ethnic cleansing, racism, and attempted murder.--Phil Magness
Yes, the comparisons involve a degree of hyperbole and intentionally so. But there’s more than enough of an authoritarian flavor to lockdowns, to the ways they were enacted, and to the basic curtailment of freedom that they entail to place them in the same ballpark as the types of policies that we usually associate with third world dictatorships or communist regimes.
Of course we also know that most of the offense taken here is feigned precisely because the very same people who get outraged at these comparisons spent the last 1.5 years indulging in far more severe hyperbole by likening even modest expressions of skepticism about lockdowns and masks to eugenics, ethnic cleansing, racism, and attempted murder.--Phil Magness
Monsters of fear. Look at this you guys.
This is what Dad is advocating because his life is a life of being controlled with fear. It's a drug of adrenalin made from our brains and causes people to make decisions caused by the fear their brain makes. Once the brain makes fear, the mind plays tricks on your greatest fears and makes many of you to tell stories that you make up in your freaking head. None of us know what tomorrow will bring. Think about that why I go and pray and mediate on my lesson for today.
Man dragged from his house in Northern Ireland by dozens of police for not 'self-isolating'
Sam Marie McGinley, 32, of Rosecourt in Derry, was charged with breaching Covid-19 rules and resisting police. The court heard he had gone to Turkey for surgery but refused to quarantine in a Dublin hotel when he returned. On Friday, he was remanded in custody until the end of his isolation...
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This is what Dad is advocating because his life is a life of being controlled with fear. It's a drug of adrenalin made from our brains and causes people to make decisions caused by the fear their brain makes. Once the brain makes fear, the mind plays tricks on your greatest fears and makes many of you to tell stories that you make up in your freaking head. None of us know what tomorrow will bring. Think about that why I go and pray and mediate on my lesson for today.
To be clear I'm pro-Vax but I'm also pro-immunity from prior infection. The available evidence indicates that natural immunity is stronger than vaccinated immunity, likely substantially stronger. I'm pro-choice.
To require proof of vaccination is incredibly discriminatory and gross government overreach. I don't think you should require any proof, but it would be far more appropriate to have to provide proof of either a vaccination or prior infection. Even then you still run into discriminatory issues due to the fact that some races have low vaccination rates.
Surgeons are trained to think of masks as PPE. Make sure the patient does not infect the doctor. Make sure the doctor doesn’t place germs into the patient’s open wound. Important stuff. Just not relevant to the question of masks for going to the grocery store.
Surgeon on Masks
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@ Dad of 4 kids, watch this short video. I bet Father of Lies Espola will watch to fact check if this is a true video. This is from a real doctor. You can;t trust anyone if all they do is lie for political gain. All the kids are pawns and those who have a few questions are being controlled, locked out and kicked out of all that life has to offer and it's pure evil. Science Magicians. No need for a mask at all according to so any, if Dr. F said their is no need for a mask. Bruddah IZ, we need your fact sheets. Keep bringing them bro. Me & Grace and anyone with an honest brain and a heart full of gold can see the truth. Liars only lie. They just talk lie. Lying is it's own language btw. Thank you for showing us the truth IZ. The Father of Lies has been lying and making pawns out of kids. Sickos and Espola is here 24/7 with no kids. Imagine an old man on here with no kids in the game. Why? These men are full of darkness. Their hearts are so hard and their eyes are blind and their ears are clogged with bullshit from the BS in their brain. True losers in every sense. Their time is up. Nowhere to hide. The Light is never going away but the darkness and those who live in darkness will be no more. Can I get a hallelujah and a Amen? They make fun of all that has happen in the war for the last 20 years and just chalk it up as an, "oh well." They mock our soldiers who lost legs. They mock those WHO think for themselves. Their scared little men who face judgement like at no other time. Judgement is coming and it will be swift. The game is over and now you must answer to the One.
Asking a surgeon about epidemiology is no more helpful than asking an epidemiologist to remove your appendix. Each has their own area of expertise, and neither one knows how to do the other’s job.
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
Yes. Plus two other key things make spike the most obvious vaccine target. First, spike acts on the outside of the cell to mediate the first step in the infection cycle. Once the virus gains cell entry, all other viral protein surfaces are masked from the immune system. Second, since it projects away from the viral capsid surface, it presents an effect surface area to which neutralizing antibodies can bind.
Not sure about your analogy, but regardless I strongly disagree with your point. It touches on the expert arrogance that I've pointed out a number of times. A surgeon may have a much broader view and is entitled to question the conclusions of an epidemiologist. We're all entitled to question or take advice counter to an expert. We're entitled to our choice.
-We were against the doctor doing an amnio, he repeatedly assured us that it was safe. It wasn't it....it resulted in a crash c-section, my daughter to be resuscitated at birth, a scalpel cut across her head, 6 weeks premature
-My dad had been to just about every doctor including the Mayo clinic for a number of years. No diagnosis other than possible dehydration. I diagnosed it as Parkinson's, which was thereafter confirmed by a doctor
-The anecdote about my mom telling the doctor that my dad need to be hydrated
Sorry, I'm not going to delegate my medical decisions to an "expert". I will strongly consider their input, along with 2nd and likely 3rd opinions. I'm not going to get a vaccination just because an epidemiologist recommends it, and surely not because a politician requires it. I will, and did, consult with my doctor before making that decision.
You should get multiple medical opinions before making any serious decision. I think your an idiot if you don't, but hey its your choice. Let Darwin sort it out like Nova.Dad's examples likely point out.
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
Bit of patience and we'll be there soon enough. And unless friends or family are directly affected may not necessarily even notice at all.
or the vaccine enters the blood cells and causes inflammation after being jabbed.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
Inflammation is a natural response to activating the immune system. For me for example, my family very likely had covid in march of last year just before the shutdown. I subsequently had the Moderna vaxx. First shot generated some localized inflammation at the site of injection which dissipated in several hours. The booster, not surprisingly given my likely prior infection, was a bit of a whammy. I felt tired and out of sorts for about two days and then went away. I maintain a reasonable level of fitness and am in good health. Nonetheless what i highly suspect was covid hit me hard. i remember thinking, this is probably covid. I should get up and do a swab so when the genome comes out i can order some primers, pcr it up and see. but moving seemed pretty optional at the time. For the mRNA vaccines there is a risk of more serious types of inflammation (myocarditis, pericarditis) which is in the range of ~ 5 per million.
The inflammation that comes during the worst form of covid is not a normal immune response. its more akin to an autoimmune disorder where your immune system kind of turns on itself. This is the cytokine storm thing you've probably heard about.
Inflammation is a natural response to activating the immune system. ((True))
For me for example, my family very likely had covid in march of last year just before the shutdown. ((Me too, but in Jan))
I subsequently had the Moderna vaxx. ((I'n truly sorry to hear that))
First shot generated some localized inflammation at the site of injection which dissipated in several hours. ((Not good but it was only hours and not days or weeks))
The booster, not surprisingly given my likely prior infection, was a bit of a whammy. ((I heard that from my Pal up in Kirkland. He got sick again last month))
I felt tired and out of sorts for about two days and then went away. ((no, it never went away. I'm sorry about that. It's still in your blood cells))
I maintain a reasonable level of fitness and am in good health. ((Excellent. Stop eating meat asap and stop drinking booz, if you do))
Nonetheless what i highly suspect was covid hit me hard. ((But not sure? Which time, in March or after Jabs?))
i remember thinking, this is probably covid. ((???))
I should get up and do a swab so when the genome comes out i can order some primers, pcr it up and see. but moving seemed pretty optional at the time. ((sounds like you felt like poop))
For the mRNA vaccines there is a risk of more serious types of inflammation (myocarditis, pericarditis) which is in the range of ~ 5 per million. ((so true))
The inflammation that comes during the worst form of covid is not a normal immune response. ((ok))
its more akin to an autoimmune disorder where your immune system kind of turns on itself. ((ok))
This is the cytokine storm thing you've probably heard about. ((no, never heard of cytokine storm but I did hear the storm is coming))
Crush's diagnoses for you bro. The fact you thought you got Rona back in March of 2020 meant you did not need the jabs ((moo)) and you should have known you have immunity. Covid 19 is not what you got injected with, trust me. You allowed something that Dr. F, Bill ((gross)) and his
Con-Workers invented at a lab in Wuhan into your blood cells. I'm shocked!!! Why would you do that? Be honest too, no more lying. That's insane dude from where I come from. You got some Balls of Steel brother and I think you got a bio weapon at worse or at best you got placebo, that's if your lucky, MOO!
Nuremberg Code #8
The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
Tell that to the poor old lady the cops threw in the cop cage.
The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
Tell that to the poor old lady the cops threw in the cop cage.
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
Well, with infection against the initial variants my naturally acquired immunity would probably suffice just fine. like I posted earlier the whole "which is better" argument is really a non-issue as far as I'm concerned. Tough to measure the relevant variables, and there is going to be so much individual variation one way or another that it's kind of pointless to go round and round about it. The whole thing about a vaccine is not to have better immunity but so that you get immunity without infection. It's true I got vaxxed before delta, but with delta I really would not want to go any other way. Not that natural infection might provide the requisite immunity, but because with the vaxx I know I have a really good spectrum of memory T cells capable of producing neutralizing antibodies broadly covering the spike protein-delta interface. It's going to be hard for the virus to evolve away from that.
On the bioweapon thing. I know the issue of who and what to trust is central here. The main thing really. But if you wanted to build a bioweapon this virus is not the way to do it. First off, you'd want a capsid really smooth on the outside, sort of like rhinoviruses are. So difficult to have long term immunity and difficult to vaxx. Then you'd want a much higher IFR kill rate. And a more moderate R0 infectiousness. Then you could release it in high density urban cluster where you'd have lots of deaths and it would burn itself out fairly quickly. More controlled. So people would be left wondering where's it going to hit next, all the while knowing what is going to happen if it does.
I guess zombie life is next. No offense, everything you just wrote makes zero sense but you took it and I'm sure you will live with the consequences. Where I draw the line is when someone fires someone for saying, "NO!!!" or kid is blocked. It's great you know how to make a better bio weapon and all but this thing is one big mess. You and so many listened to Dr. F, a known liar. Bill was in on it with Jeffrey. You do understand that right? Does that make you feel a little nervous what these boys were up to? I forgot to ask. Is Jesus the Lord?
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
None taken. You asked. I answered. That's me. You do you. Like I said, your ability to bring these issues rapidly to their metaphorical endpoints and to network them to other areas is valued. i find it refreshing actually.
I always get along with folks like you. I will say I am 100% on top of my game. It's starts with the inside first.
Roadrunner
SILVER
It sounds like we are talking about different issues. The first topic I was following was whether it would be better to get immunity via infection or vaccinations. If given the choice, I would pick developing immunity via vaccines. This should not be a fantasy anymore with the amazing development of efficacious vaccines. When SARS-CoV2 infects cells, it can directly kill them, and it can also fuse cells to their neighbors, like a bunch of smaller bubbles merging together. There's also potential for secondary damage. Either route of exposure can lead to immunity, but one way avoids the damage.
If an individual already has some immunity, then their immune system should be able to try to neutralize viruses that it can recognize when the individual is exposed. If they don't have a robust enough response relative to the virus, then the virus can cause damage. It partly becomes a numbers and timing problem when considering the battle between the virus and the immune system.
The vaccine allows one to develop immunity without damage from infection. That is the point, in addition to not allowing the host to effectively spread the virus. If the virus is limited in it's ability to replicate or spread, the probability of variants emerging that can evade the immune system or that can be more damaging will be lower. Coronaviruses are great at not just mutating but also recombining, and the history of viruses shows that they don't always become more benign over time.
Any public health policy should be well grounded in the current knowledge, but will be necessarily impacted by realities and needs on the ground in their location. For example, Vietnam did an amazing job for quite a while limiting covid in their country. But, they have a robust medical system, quarantine facilities, and a government system that is strict. They also dealt with sars-cov1, and the population readily complies with public health edicts. England will be very different. Policies will also be impacted by what is available. Some locations don't have good access to vaccines, for example, let alone boosters. Some places have very limited medical facilities or staff.
I am not really interested in coming up with a one size fits all solution, because that's not practical or sensible. Sorry to disappoint on that.