Vaccine

[crush]

That's the $1 million question. Where talking about which epidemiologist are we supposed to believe? Should I believe the Fox expert or the CNN expert? ((no)) I say do your own research, take everything with a grain of salt and make the decision that's best for your family. Be accountable for those decisions. I have an issue when politicians cherry pick their experts to make my personal health choices.
At the end of the day I can live with the restrictions for myself as an adult, but I can't condone what has been done to our children. It's reprehensible what we have done to them in the name of safety theater. Those that claim that mandating masks for all children is for their safety are either 1) lying, they are really more concerned about getting Covid from a kid or 2) so overcome with fear that its destroyed their common sense. Let kids learn, smile and laugh, but most importantly let them breath.

They do it in Religion too. Excellent takes and I highlighted what stood out for me. Paul warned of this very poison from the "experts" or teachers of reading. The apostle Paul wrote a warning for the church and we should peak at this too: “The time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear” (2 Timothy 4:3).
The Greek word translated “itching” literally means “to itch, rub, scratch, or tickle.” To want one’s ears “tickled” is to desire massages rather than messages—sermons that charm rather than challenge, entertain rather than edify, and please rather than preach. The people Paul warns about will have, as one commentator put it, “ears which have to be continually titillated with novelties.” ((Basically, if you tickle his ear, you will be licking it forever to keep him or her happy with falsehoods and lies forever.

“Itching ears” is a figure of speech that refers to people’s desires, felt needs, or wants. It is these desires that impel a person to believe whatever he wants to believe rather than the actual truth itself. When people have “itching ears,” they decide for themselves what is right or wrong, and they seek out others to support their notions. “Itching ears” are concerned with what feels good or comfortable, not with the truth—after all, truth is often uncomfortable. Paul’s warning is that the church would one day contain those who only opened their ears to those who would scratch their “itch.”

Those with “itching ears” only want teachers who will assure them that all is well, teachers who say, “Peace, peace . . . when there is no peace”

Some of the early followers of Jesus complained about some of the Lord’s words: “Many of his disciples said, ʻThis is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?’ ((most can;t and wont)) From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him” (John 6:60, 66). Walking away from hard truth is easy to do because it's hard.

The truth hurts and I wont itch anyone's ear except my wife and she get's it tickled all the time and she tickles me.

 

[espola]

I have always hated tenure, but this is the first time I could sneak it into the conversation. Was that too much of a stretch?

I'd say about 50% of the time I don't know what I'm talking about, but I think it sounds really good. Your the fact checker, do you think its less than 50%? I'm open to revising downward.

There was an article posted recently in one of these threads about researchers who reported being pressured to modify the reports of their results. Do you know what is the greatest bulwark against such abuse? Tenure.

 

[dad4]

Hospital shit show? Our ICUs never were full and had to turn away people. So if you got sick and needed care you had it. Now unfortunately like everywhere else in the US many operations, exams, were not scheduled and so that did affect people with other diseases (cancer, etc).

CA per million didn't do much better case wise vs AZ. We just have different populations which have different health issues. A lot of our deaths occurred on the reservations.

And so it isn't like CA did anything good. CO has about the same total cases per million as CA, but 300 or so less deaths per million? Why?
NM has about exactly the same cases per million as CA but 500 more deaths per million? Why? Hint they have lots of people living on reservations.

Etc etc. You conveniently and consistently ignore the above numbers because it doesn't fit into your mold/mindset of lockdowns work. Both CO and NM went the lockdown route similar to CA. Similar cases per million, but vastly different deaths per million.

Speaking of cases...CA has a hair less than 2 million active cases right now. AZ has about 64k.

By any measure, Arizona had far more deaths per capita than CA.

You guys messed up.

Now, would it have been better if CA had closed the bars and casinos instead of the schools? Yes.

But that's different from saying the best policy was to do nothing.

 

[Desert Hound]

By any measure, Arizona had far more deaths per capita than CA.

You guys messed up.

Try explaining why NM with the same policies as CA and the same cases per million did worse than CA?

Then explain CO which mirrored CA has the same cases per million but less deaths?

 

[Desert Hound]

Terminator?

 

[crush]

At the end of the day you have to be your own advocate. My dad had some severe complications after a surgery. My mom told the doctor that he was dehydrated. The doctor scolded my mom "what do you know hydration". He adamantly denied that that was the problem. After some back and forth and advocacy from the nurse they pumped him full of fluids. He was back to normal in less than a day.

The problem is not that some doctors and experts are stupid. The problem is they're arrogant and are not to be questioned. It's the same arrogance from politicians and public health officials that think they know what's best for everyone.

You sir are on fire today. I'm serious. Freedom speaks through you and I appreciate that. Thank you

 

[watfly]

There was an article posted recently in one of these threads about researchers who reported being pressured to modify the reports of their results. Do you know what is the greatest bulwark against such abuse? Tenure.

Fair, but its also the greatest bulwark protecting bad teachers. With other legal protections like wrongful termination I question the current benefits of tenure. Maybe the sentiment on the right will change to favoring tenure given today's cancel culture.

 

[watfly]

You sir are on fire today. I'm serious. Freedom speaks through you and I appreciate that. Thank you

Thanks, but some days a blind squirrel just stumbles into more than one acorn.

 

[dad4]

There should be no mandate for masks…if you are concerned, wear one, if not, don’t. The hospital I’ll is yours to pay if needed.

You seem to forget that the mask is there to protect other people- not the wearer.

By that standard: I will wear a mask if I am concerned. The hospital bill is yours to pay if needed.

Doesn’t sound as good, does it?

 

[crush]

Thanks, but some days a blind squirrel just stumbles into more than one acorn.

Nice try. I have a good idea who the Lions are and you are one of them. Lions needs to help the blind squirrels find the nuts. Attention all Lions who might be sleeping still. It's time to WTF up and start roaring. Keep in mine each lion has his or her own roar. Let's respect what each lion brings to the table and kick some ass why we still have a chance. I rolled up my sleeves three years ago. I said Wendy would kick ass for the woman and look at her go. Good job Wat Fly

 

[espola]

Not really my point about control. I'm talking about the studies themselves are in a controlled environment because they have to isolate the variables they are testing (that's my layman's explanation). Which is the proper way to conduct science but doesn't always translate to the real world. As a matter of note, the biggest difference between universities/education vs. the private sector is tenure. Tenure is a significant limiting factor on accountability.


That's the $1 million question, but I don't think were talking about asking your Uber driver for medical advice. Where talking about which epidemiologist are we supposed to believe? Should I believe the Fox expert or the CNN expert? I say do your own research, take everything with a grain of salt and make the decision that's best for your family. Be accountable for those decisions. I have an issue when politicians cherry pick their experts to make my personal health choices. Is this the perfect solution, nope, far from it. There is the larger public health policy issues and people are going to make the wrong decisions. Some will make the wrong decision and then not be accountable...which is very common these days with the growth of the "victim mentality". Individual freedom is not the perfect solution put it is far more consistent with the values our Country was founded on, which also includes the assumption of risk.

At the end of the day I can live with the restrictions for myself as an adult, but I can't condone what has been done to our children. It's reprehensible what we have done to them in the name of safety theater. Those that claim that mandating masks for all children is for their safety are either 1) lying, they are really more concerned about getting Covid from a kid or 2) so overcome with fear that its destroyed their common sense. Let kids learn, smile and laugh, but most importantly let them breath.

I'm not lying and I'm not fearful. You're peddling nonsense.

 

[espola]

At the end of the day you have to be your own advocate. My dad had some severe complications after a surgery. My mom told the doctor that he was dehydrated. The doctor scolded my mom "what do you know hydration". He adamantly denied that that was the problem. After some back and forth and advocacy from the nurse they pumped him full of fluids. He was back to normal in less than a day.

The problem is not that some doctors and experts are stupid. The problem is they're arrogant and are not to be questioned. It's the same arrogance from politicians and public health officials that think they know what's best for everyone.

You should submit that to Grace's Journal of Anecdotes.

 

[espola]

Fair, but its also the greatest bulwark protecting bad teachers. With other legal protections like wrongful termination I question the current benefits of tenure. Maybe the sentiment on the right will change to favoring tenure given today's cancel culture.

Bad teachers don't get tenure.

 

[crush]

I'm not lying and I'm not fearful

How about one who is deceived about one's true self? You live in your shadow 100% of the time on here. Show us your light Espola or some say the soft side. No one is full of hate unless they were born to hate. I can't help people who hate for a living.

 

[dad4]

Fair, but its also the greatest bulwark protecting bad teachers. With other legal protections like wrongful termination I question the current benefits of tenure. Maybe the sentiment on the right will change to favoring tenure given today's cancel culture.

In the humanities, right leaning faculty can't survive long enough to get tenure. The left controls all the review panels.

You can try being a conservative sociologist. Good luck getting published or keeping your post.

The fight will be more about what classes are required. Eg- do ethnic studies classes count towards core credits? Are all students required to take ethnic studies classes?

Requiring ethnic studies is one way to create guaranteed positions for ethnic studies professors. It also qualifies as ridiculous political indoctrination.

 

[watfly]

In the humanities, right leaning faculty can't survive long enough to get tenure. The left controls all the review panels.

You can try being a conservative sociologist. Good luck getting published or keeping your post.

The fight will be more about what classes are required. Eg- do ethnic studies classes count towards core credits? Are all students required to take ethnic studies classes?

Requiring ethnic studies is one way to create guaranteed positions for ethnic studies professors. It also qualifies as ridiculous political indoctrination.

What does a left leaning accounting professor look like?

All debits and no credits? Bada bing! I'll be here all week, please tip your waitress.

 

[crush]

In the humanities, right leaning faculty can't survive long enough to get tenure. The left controls all the review panels.

You can try being a conservative sociologist. Good luck getting published or keeping your post.

The fight will be more about what classes are required. Eg- do ethnic studies classes count towards core credits? Are all students required to take ethnic studies classes?

Requiring ethnic studies is one way to create guaranteed positions for ethnic studies professors. It also qualifies as ridiculous political indoctrination.

I know this to be true in some places. I debated most of my Professors and they made my life hard because they hated a student asking them questions. Some of them are big babies and think their always right and how dare you ask a question.

 

[Desert Hound]

Fair, but its also the greatest bulwark protecting bad teachers. With other legal protections like wrongful termination I question the current benefits of tenure. Maybe the sentiment on the right will change to favoring tenure given today's cancel culture.

Here is the thing. With tenure or not. These professors doing research are chasing GRANT money. That comes from private companies, ngo's, gov agencies, etc. It can be quite lucrative.

You think getting grants depends on studying or researching the right thing or reporting a certain way? Of course it does.

 

[crush]

THE NUREMBERG CODE: THE 10 CODES OF THE LAW FOR ALL HUMANS ON EARTH

Code #1 ((the only code you need to know))
The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. ((I rest my case)). This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; ((need I say more? Lose job or take experiement?)) and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved, as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that, before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject, there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person, which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.

 

[Kicker4Life]

You seem to forget that the mask is there to protect other people- not the wearer.

That’s what the Vax is for.

 

[crush]

That’s what the Vax was supposed to be for.

I fixed it for you....lol That's what we were told and sold Kicker. Scammers lied and sold us a bag of shit at best and at worse a bio weapon. It was sold to all of us by the "experts" we trusted. Science Magicians is what I call some of them, moo! They told us it was to keep us from getting the virus and spreading the virus and if one took the recommended jabs, all would go away the next day and we would all be back to normal. That is 100% a crock of shit and false and from the looks of things, were never going back to normal. They ((the experts)) also said if you get jabbed, no need to wear a mask ever again. That is 100% bullshit and a bold lie to boot and they laugh in our faces. Jab or no jab, were all effected by this Kicker. Barak had the best bday bash any 60 year old I know has had, like ever. Free weed to all guest and no mask for them but hey, they say our children and your children and you have to wear a mask 24/7 and get jabbed as much as they say. How long will you allow them to do this to you and your family bro? How many more false flags does one need to see to WTF up? This is serious shit. Now their saying if you dont get jab, you can't work here or there or even shop at their fucking store. Not all places are doing this but lot's are and that is not cool and red line has been drawn forever.