Happened again
SILVER ELITE
compel you to do what? do something that doesn't work?
Vaccine
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The "doesn't work" denial of the last couple of years is why the number is over a million dead, and not in line with the proportion one would expect from looking at the results of more rational countries.
You sound like Dad today, no?
o.k., I'll bite. Which are the more "rational countries"? Because if you are talking deaths per capita and comparing to Europe or South America, we aren't doing very much worse than them. Once you adjust for body mass average, we're right there with them (and there's some variation in this band depending on how deaths are counted by the individual country which account for the difference between say Croatia and France). So it's not a million lives that were saved...you can argue may 100K, 200K, even 300K but it's not a million. I'm dying to know once and for all what your opinion of a country that could have saved all or nearly all million.
Straw man.
That's not a straw man dumb dumb. I'm asking you what's the rational country you are pointing out that could have saved all or nearly all million lives, which is what you claimed.
Good bite. Ask him about the 100,000+ fentenyl deaths last year and the 150,000+ this year. 250,000 young people dead.
Happened again
SILVER ELITE
and you didn't answer the question. what would have saved a million lives in this country from the effects of a novel virus? denying access to unhealthy food? a miracle cure for diabetes, heart disease? Not putting vulnerable elderly people at risk? less politics?
Happened again
SILVER ELITE
babbling, clueless, and linear...as expected. What rational country would you compare the US to? let's see a sweet comparison .
Ask him how many Bots he's using on forum
The there were 3 big differences which made the US experience somewhat worse in deaths per capita than Europe:
1. Limited vaccine uptake during the early delta and omicron waves. It meant for a lot of people the virus remained novel while European nations with higher vaccine uptakes had less deaths in that time period. With 80%+ of the population now infected, however, it's moot, and even in countries with very high vaccine uptake (like Australia) and/or natural infection (such as Peru), deaths continue.
2. The higher U.S. obesity index since we know obese people tend to do worse with COVID than skinnier ones. The lockdowns, however, seemed to be counter productive with this one.
3. The failure to gird nursing homes early on in the pandemic which led to waves of mass death early on until they fixed it.
That's really it, short of the countries that were functionally islands and managed to shut themselves off from one wave or another, or China.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
No, this is vintage E - lose the thread and go off on his talking point tangent that had nothing to do with what was being discussed.
I didn't say "all or nearly all". That's your strawman.
But you knew that when you posted it, right? It's your style.
No way to have the discussion.
As soon as someone points to one of the East Asian democratic countries, you make your usual racial response (accuse the speaker of wanting everyone to be Asian), and the discussion dies.
Or you point out that the East Asian democracies are islands, and blame all our cases on the Mexican border. This piece of non-logic has nothing behind it. But, if someone points out that cross border traffic is much too small to account for our case rates, you go back to your favorite: the models are all flawed anyway. (And therefore any attempt to use math to estimate scale will inherently fail.)
Been there. Done that. No point in having an intellectual discussion with someone who routinely dismisses the people who actually study the topic at hand.
You refer to them as "experts", with quotes.
Thank you. You save me the trouble of responding to these "patriots".
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
If only you had thought of that before you lost the thread and responded in the first place you wouldn't need (your) dad to rescue you.
You were the one who said a million deaths. I'm just holding you to it. You wanna say you mispoke and concede that some portion of it was baked in, that's cool too.
My pet theory (it's actually the ethical skeptics) is that the mainland Asian countries either: a) have a gene in place that helped with early COVID, or b) developed substantial cross immunity that helped limit the impact of the early strains (which has waned as the virus achieved immune escape). You see that immunity having broken down, which is why China is in part clinging to the COVID zero policy...with their poor vaccines, they are having a relatively high death count relative to their low case loads....if they let it rip it would be disastrous considering all that novel lack of immunity floating around there. See also South Korea for the counterfactual to the current China policy
Because the counter is the Philippines which lockdown very hard, had very robust masking, and shut down schools (it was the case study in the recent Economist piece) yet it didn't have the same success as the mainland Asian countries. It's the same BTW the India, which also had very robust lockdowns and masking, yet somehow there's a flip as you approach a line in Myanmar over when and how badly waves hit. You also BTW see it in Russia...where the Russian far east (despite zero masking and very low vaccine uptake throughout Russia and very low density) has somehow been hit less severely than the European part.
Again, no data on that because only the Japanese really deep dove this one, but 10 bucks says in 5 years my theory gets proven out.
Rescue? I was writing up pretty much the same thing when I saw what he had posted. Get back in ranks with the other loyal fools.
I also posted "not in line with the proportion one would expect from looking at the results of more rational countries", which I assume you saw since you responded to it in your own way.