Best post for some time in this forum to actually encourage analysis and discussion!
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Best post for some time in this forum to actually encourage analysis and discussion!
kickingandscreaming
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Ha, well done.
He’d be mostly wrong and guilty of a gross exaggeration:
a. Covid has always been a disease mostly dangerous to the over 60 crowd which is by far where most of the deaths have occurred. Unless the over 60s we’re doing a trump and having kids later in life, it’s not a very common scenario.
b. Youve got to do a time analysis too. Pre vaccine availability and pre omicron, the disease was much more dangerous to the under 60 crowd. The ifr has radically declined with time so the concern is for a very limited time period covering mostly March 2020-March 2021
c. If we had really cared about making sure kids weren’t orphaned we wouldn’t have forced the essential workers to work during this time period. But we not only kept the markets, medical facilities and pharmacies open, we also had restaurant take out (which dad4 so famously tried to get once a week), bike shops, liquor and pot stores, plumbers and ac people (going into peoples homes), box stores, and bike shops. Yet somehow the teachers weren’t essential. And these people were forced to work so the laptop class like dad and I could hide out in our pjs.
That’s what I mean about the discussion going nowhere:
1- You make a claim about India.
2- I point out that your India claim is horse shit.
3- You change the subject to talk about Spain and Peru.
No exchange of ideas at all. Useless.
Your claim about India was the lockdowns weren’t robust because they let the religious ceremonies go pre delta. I just pointed out by that measure neither Europe nor Japan had robust lockdowns either. It gives us a secret peak into your mentality (which is what you always dance around): we all know your preferred solution has always been australia/nz. I suspect China was too far for you but you would have been more ok with China than what the us did and perfectly happy with the China lite that Vietnam and Singapore implemented. But you’ll dance around it…speaking of useless conversations….because you always prefer to preach rather than to say what constructive solutions you would have preferred…especially (which was the original point) that asias policies were all over the place yet mainland Asia and Japan all got to similar places but India and the Philippines did not
That is Espola speak right there. I need you guys here tomorrow. I want all you Bots at 7am ready to go. All at the same time.
I have to go to sleep now and get rest for tomorrow's big day. I love you all and thank you again for all the likes, laughs and my many kind PMs and text from my supporters. No one is threatening me anymore, which makes me feel loved and not hated by the top Elites. I know many of us wanted what they have but let me tell you something; they don;t got shit anymore, trust me!!!
here’s another tid bit since we are relitigating the past. Birxs book confirms the atlas book that the ideas for lockdowns originated with Birx. The inspiration came from what happened in China. Birx persuaded Trump using the precautionary principle to shut down for the 15 days but: a. She knew from the get go it was going to be more than 15 days, and b. She set about using those 15 days to build a case for an extension. In other words, they lied to the public (and trump) over exactly how long it would be and did it deliberately as a political tactic.
From Mr. F
One of the things that's clear from the data [is] that even though vaccines - because of the high degree of transmissibility of this virus - don't protect overly well, as it were, against infection, they protect quite well against severe disease leading to hospitalization and death. And I believe that's the reason, Neil, why at my age, being vaccinated and boosted, even though it didn't protect me against infection, I feel confident that it made a major role in protecting me from progressing to severe disease. And that's very likely why I had a relatively mild course. So my message to people who seem confused because people who are vaccinated get infected - the answer is if you weren't vaccinated, the likelihood [is] you would have had [a] more severe course than you did have when you were vaccinated.
One of the things that's clear from the data [is] that even though vaccines - because of the high degree of transmissibility of this virus - don't protect overly well, as it were, against infection, they protect quite well against severe disease leading to hospitalization and death. And I believe that's the reason, Neil, why at my age, being vaccinated and boosted, even though it didn't protect me against infection, I feel confident that it made a major role in protecting me from progressing to severe disease. And that's very likely why I had a relatively mild course. So my message to people who seem confused because people who are vaccinated get infected - the answer is if you weren't vaccinated, the likelihood [is] you would have had [a] more severe course than you did have when you were vaccinated.
EvilGoalie 21
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If by million you mean "over a million excess deaths associated with C19" than, yes, according to the CDC we crossed that grim milestone in Feb of this year. So the CDC agrees with you. The second link is to the John Hopkins site for C19 mortality per 100K by country. The data for the US and western Europe is probably meaningfully comparable. The data for other countries, more hit and miss. India's data, in particular, is pure bullshit. Delta pounded them hard and the orphan index alone says they are either not collecting the data or not representing it truthfully.
Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19
Figures present excess deaths associated with COVID-19 at the national and state levels.
www.cdc.gov
Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.
coronavirus.jhu.edu
EvilGoalie 21
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I appreciate the sentiment. It is kind of you to say. But I am not sure I agree with it. The thread generally cycles. And as with everything these days, the topic reflects politicization/overtly external manipulation to form diametric sides, teams, what have you, that generally hope to defeat each other and claim some sort of pyrrhic victory. "I was right about the comet". I come to gauge that and so feel as a participant I should try to contribute maybe something that at least I feel is meaningful, since I hear some of the scientific stuff filtering through the grapevine ahead of time. And if people engage with it honestly that is all one can ask for.
3 parts politics, 1 part irrational fear.
It's insane what we did based upon politics and fear in the name of "health" policy, particularly to kids.
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City Fills Skatepark With 37 Tons of Sand to Keep Kids and Parents Away amid Coronavirus
Skaters and parents in the area were reportedly ignoring no-trespassing signs.
Former police officer arrested in park for throwing ball with daughter due to coronavirus social distancing rules
The police department has apologized for the arrest, calling it an "overreach."
abcnews.go.com
Malibu paddle boarder arrested
Paddle boarder arrested for violating beaches-closed order amid coronavirus outbreak
www.kron4.com
Pritzker's order limits 2 per boat. So why are some with more allowed on Lake Decatur? We found out.
The city of Decatur announced this week a “slight variance” to the state order.
Out-of-towners who went to 7-Eleven for 'essential drinks' are fined $1,000 each
Seven Fremont residents were ticketed after driving more than 40 miles to a 7-Eleven in Santa Cruz, police said.
www.latimes.com
Fear is their weapon and many fell for the fear tactics. I did not. My dd and I were kicking a soccer ball together two years ago in Aliso Viejo and some OC Parks guy with his lights flashing pulled over and yelled at us to get off the f&%$ing grass and get our asses home. I laughed at him and then he warned me: "If you don;t leave, I will call the Sherriff." No joke.3 parts politics, 1 part irrational fear.
It's insane what we did based upon politics and fear in the name of "health" policy, particularly to kids.
City Fills Skatepark With 37 Tons of Sand to Keep Kids and Parents Away amid Coronavirus
Skaters and parents in the area were reportedly ignoring no-trespassing signs.people.com
Former police officer arrested in park for throwing ball with daughter due to coronavirus social distancing rules
The police department has apologized for the arrest, calling it an "overreach."
Malibu paddle boarder arrested
Paddle boarder arrested for violating beaches-closed order amid coronavirus outbreak
Pritzker's order limits 2 per boat. So why are some with more allowed on Lake Decatur? We found out.
The city of Decatur announced this week a “slight variance” to the state order.herald-review.com
Out-of-towners who went to 7-Eleven for 'essential drinks' are fined $1,000 each
Seven Fremont residents were ticketed after driving more than 40 miles to a 7-Eleven in Santa Cruz, police said.
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Yeah my son and I were kicked off the beach for fishing when the beach was reopened but had to be participating in an active activity. Apparently fishing wasn't active enough. Sitting on the beach was prohibited. You could only walk one way on the boardwalk and then the other way on the sand. You can't make this shit up.
Your skatepark article was from April 17, 2020. Even then it was national news.3 parts politics, 1 part irrational fear.
It's insane what we did based upon politics and fear in the name of "health" policy, particularly to kids.
City Fills Skatepark With 37 Tons of Sand to Keep Kids and Parents Away amid Coronavirus
Skaters and parents in the area were reportedly ignoring no-trespassing signs.
Former police officer arrested in park for throwing ball with daughter due to coronavirus social distancing rules
The police department has apologized for the arrest, calling it an "overreach."
Malibu paddle boarder arrested
Paddle boarder arrested for violating beaches-closed order amid coronavirus outbreak
Pritzker's order limits 2 per boat. So why are some with more allowed on Lake Decatur? We found out.
The city of Decatur announced this week a “slight variance” to the state order.
Out-of-towners who went to 7-Eleven for 'essential drinks' are fined $1,000 each
Seven Fremont residents were ticketed after driving more than 40 miles to a 7-Eleven in Santa Cruz, police said.
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The problem isn‘t that we closed things in April, 2020. It’s that we were so stupid about what to open up.
And by stupid, I don’t mean “we failed to listen to sports dads who told us it was overblown.”. The basketball parents sounded exactly the same as the soccer parents. And they were absolutely wrong about the risk posed by indoor basketball. As you know, covid transmits quite well in a basketball gym full of cheering fans.
By stupid, I mean we had good evidence that outdoors was safe, but it took us far too long to make use of if. We also had very good evidence that gyms, bars, and indoor restaurants were not safe, yet those were the first things we opened.
I agree you really can't make this up because NO ONE is their right mind would plan this out. Now watch them try it again.
They also represent a very small portion of the transmissions. I agree that during 20 the best thing we could have done was move everything outside (and improve filtration in classrooms, which wasn't always done and a lot of the money they were just sitting on). Los Angeles did that and still had the results it did.
But a. the indoor basketball game was much more problematic than an indoor restaurant at half capacity by virtue of the fact with all the screaming and running the indoor basketball game could very well represent a superspreader event. and
b. The bigger problems in the restaurants wasn't just the indoor dining....it was the take out....having all those McDonalds workers, for example, work in cramp indoor conditions side by side with poor ventilation was guaranteed to keep transmissions going and just shuffled the risk from people like you (getting your once weekly take out) to people like them (who brought it home to their relatives in their cramped apartments). Same with the other essential workers where work was just so much more problematic...and we know the apartment buildings themselves now were also an issue. and
c. you still had the big collapse in faith in public health when they were doing all this restriction outdoors (and the outdoor restrictions were still in place into the summer of 2020 in California) but then the public health official turned around and said but BLM protests were o.k., ignoring the fact that outdoor transmission was still possible if people hang out for long period of time together and people being social creatures would then hang around together either by carpooling (gotta save the environment after all, not to mention parking problems) or gathering after.
Agree, but you had idiot "experts" that tried to be relevant and made claims like this:
UC San Diego virus expert pleads with surfers to stay out of the ocean to avoid coronavirus
Kim Prather — a UC San Diego atmospheric scientist who studies how viruses and bacteria are ejected from the ocean — pleaded with surfers on Monday to stay out of the water to minimize …
www.sandiegouniontribune.com