Vaccine

Grace T. said:
Like entropy.....but there are forces of nature that periodically do reverse it (like birth) temporarily back towards order even though the march is inexorable toward entropy

Well it does bring two thoughts to mind:
1. If we survive that long, one world government will eventually happen (though it may take a long long time and it may not be the Star Trek utopia people think it will be) and
2. We probably won't survive that long.
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Entropy actually is better seen as a drift away from centralization.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
See Figure 5.
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So they looked at 63 adults with long covid with mean age of 46? The study didn't look at children and in fact says that that is a limitation of the study. We all know children's Covid symptoms overwhelming tend to be much more mild than adults. That's a big leap in logic to get long term risks to kids, particularly since were not seeing a lot of kids with long covid and brain fog is considered very rare.

I don't doubt there may be some long term impacts to children but this study is not compelling.
 
watfly said:
So they looked at 63 adults with long covid with mean age of 46? The study didn't look at children and in fact says that that is a limitation of the study. We all know children's Covid symptoms overwhelming tend to be much more mild than adults. That's a big leap in logic to get long term risks to kids, particularly since were not seeing a lot of kids with long covid and brain fog is considered very rare.
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My friend and her husband are fully jabbed + boosters and both are super sick right now. She was talking to my wife and is crying in pain. I thought I had it bad but they are a big mess and I don't say that lightly. They were promised they wouldn't get this Covid shit if the obeyed. Hubby is not doing good. Thoughts and Prayers for Steph and Angel. Four kids at home and they have decided 100% NOT to jab their kiddos.
 
watfly said:
So they looked at 63 adults with long covid with mean age of 46? The study didn't look at children and in fact says that that is a limitation of the study. We all know children's Covid symptoms overwhelming tend to be much more mild than adults. That's a big leap in logic to get long term risks to kids, particularly since were not seeing a lot of kids with long covid and brain fog is considered very rare.
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There have been other adult studies as well that found the biggest correlation in adults with long covid is social anxiety disorder. There seems to be mental component to this.

Now I'm not saying there isn't a physical one. I myself suffered from semi-long COVID...it took 6 months for me to overcome the various secondary health problems that followed. I also suffered in the last 2 years from long RSV, where I had a cough for 3 months.
Grace T. said:
This ignores the trends that are going on in the rest of the world including Sri Lanka, Colombia, the Netherlands and Canada. It goes beyond the USA. The entire history of the 20th century can be summed up in one film: "Auntie Maime". In Auntie Maime, many outsiders (single mothers, LGBTQ, Jewish people and other minorities, artists and actors, care free liberals) who consider themselves well-off and elite, resent that they've been excluded by the traditional Republican white shoe/big business upper class, who look down on them. The struggle of the 20th century was these distinct well-off groups (for other examples, see the Cosby Show, Will & Grace, Modern Family) achieving recognition as part of the elite. However, these elite left other groups (working class people of all races) outside the tent of respectability. What's more is this new elite had a lot more in common with the old elite than they did with those outside the tent: a globalist vision-- one where borders are no longer as important, where trade is free, where nations cooperate to police the world, where capitalism protects the interest of the well-off but provides a moderate social safety net, and where certain social issues near and dear to them are prized, and where expertise is valued above all. It's where the EU was born, and why the EU is drifting (now with the weight of Brexit thrown off) into ever greater unity (particularly now with the Russian threat).

But those outside the tent had a distinct feeling that they were normally being thrown under the bus (with rules such as with respect to COVID and climate change applying to them, but not their elitist betters) and were being looked down upon (the Obama guns and religion remarks). So, there are two temptations for them to overthrow the world globalist elitist order: a) socialism: think Bernie bros or the socialist wave sweeping South America, under the idea that the previous models weren't true democratic socialist models, and b) populism (which is why they like Trump so much...not only does he fight back, but unlike DeSantis, Trump is loved because he's been treated like an outsider just like them).

I agree superfederalism in a very loose EU like confederation would fix this. But there are two problems with that. 1. the EU itself (like most institutions) tends to drift to greater centralization and greater unity because the power holders like to amalgamate and enhance their rule, and 2. the globalists will never agree to it: there are too many changes they regard as existential whether climate change, abortion access, COVID rules, or their own social status, which this type of arrangement would overcome. My worry is that we are headed to a lot more Sri Lankas, a lot more Canadas, and a lot more Netherlands. It's actually kind of funny that it started in Canada: we see the globalist reaction that will happen and eventually it just fizzled (the Canadians are so nice of a people, after all). I fear Sri Lanka is really just the first domino to fall, and given what's coming, we are going to see a lot more of it.
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btw you can directly trace the Boris Johnson woes to this. The uk Conservative party is a weird amalgam of business interests, old gentry, social conservatives and populist reformers. But Johnson was swept to power on the backs of these populist reformers including in some very solid formerly socialist strongholds. He got brexit done, pushed out globalists like May and Burcow (who’s all but admitted he had a thumb on the scale to prevent brexit and has since joined labor) and set about doing economic reforms. But then Covid hit and he supporters the lockdowns. Worse is he was hypocritical about it like our own d politicians and it turned out he held a Christmas party in Downing Street and then lied about it.

the Conservative party is now about to tear itself apart as the establishment and populist wings duke it out.
 
watfly said:
So they looked at 63 adults with long covid with mean age of 46? The study didn't look at children and in fact says that that is a limitation of the study. We all know children's Covid symptoms overwhelming tend to be much more mild than adults. That's a big leap in logic to get long term risks to kids, particularly since were not seeing a lot of kids with long covid and brain fog is considered very rare.

I don't doubt there may be some long term impacts to children but this study is not compelling.
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Since they needed to correlate with myelination directly it is necessarily a cadaver study. Organ donors who died of other causes and at time of death were found to have infections that did not present with obvious repiratory symptoms. That sort of group. With that in place it is now possible to use the CSF cytokine signature to assess larger populations, cross-correlate with vaxx status, cross-correlate with age demographics. The significance is that rather than going off vague symptoms descriptions like "brain fog" or "everything with kids is just milder because we already know that" it is now possible to look directly at what is going on in terms of neurological inflammation. That will play out in different ways in different people, just like everything about the inflammatory aspects of Cov2. And yes there is increasing concern about the pediatric population, much of which I know has come from online parent communities trying to push researchers. That's why it is interesting to me and yet another unknown risk aspect of this virus. If you don't see it that way, that's OK.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
Since they needed to correlate with myelination directly it is necessarily a cadaver study. Organ donors who died of other causes and at time of death were found to have infections that did not present with obvious repiratory symptoms. That sort of group. With that in place it is now possible to use the CSF cytokine signature to assess larger populations, cross-correlate with vaxx status, cross-correlate with age demographics. The significance is that rather than going off vague symptoms descriptions like "brain fog" or "everything with kids is just milder because we already know that" it is now possible to look directly at what is going on in terms of neurological inflammation. That will play out in different ways in different people, just like everything about the inflammatory aspects of Cov2. And yes there is increasing concern about the pediatric population, much of which I know has come from online parent communities trying to push researchers. That's why it is interesting to me and yet another unknown risk aspect of this virus. If you don't see it that way, that's OK.
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I got called away and wanted to append this. To remember my manners and purpose. You assessed the paper for yourself and came to an informed opinion. That's the way its supposed to work. Thanks.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
I got called away and wanted to append this. To remember my manners and purpose. You assessed the paper for yourself and came to an informed opinion. That's the way its supposed to work. Thanks.
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Yeah, I'm a skeptic by nature and profession...the evidence has to be compelling to me.
 
My message is csimple too: "No and never!!" I know a 2022 that had to come home from college because this is being forced on girls who want to continue playing soccer. This is so crazy. I feel for all of you who will obey so you can pay to play. Any 2022s telling Big U a Big F U? Just curious and sorry for asking such personal questions. My other buddy told me his dd is already depressed and hates practices, her environment and all the pressure to obey politics from the coach in order to play and now wants to come back home to California. On a side, my other buddy dd loves her school and is super happy so not all bad. I do hear more horrible stories then happy one, just being honest.

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Dr. Fraud is back in the news just in time for Mid Terms. Remember two weeks of lockdown and go back to normal 2 1/2 years ago? Get ready for another lockdown folks. Their play book is a joke but so many of you follow them and take all the Jabs and boosters. Let's see who obeys this time.

We Can’t Just “Put This Pandemic Behind Us”
 
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