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Covid made it to Australia, Japan, and New Zealand.
If the virus is going to do whatever it wants, why didn’t the virus grow when it got past the border? I don’t think a border control station at the airport is going to do anything about community spread in downtown Tokyo.
Japan COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Japan Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
Australia COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Australia Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
Err....look at the numbers....it took off in Australia after they dropped their restrictions. It took off in Japan after the Olympics....there's a lull in June (very tight border controls after the Olympics) and then whoosh! You aren't even looking at the facts anymore....just wholesale making up stuff.
At least you finally admit the solution you like is Australia and New Zealand. I would think in your religion confession would be good for the soul.
Had appointment at B of A and their location closed down. Big line of folks not happy. Basically, I was told the branch manager tested+ 4 Covid and the whole office freaked out and no one will work....lol! You can't make this up. Told to be shut down for two weeks find another location or bank. The branch by my house is closed for good and the second closest one is also closed and now this one at #3. These asshats are destroying our country and not the folks at the bank. Manager is super cool and told me on Friday the Truth is going to hit fan and then We The People Will Take Our Stand!!!! So sad. Old people with the look of fear and stupid mask on and now they can't get their $$$. People were pissed off and want their money now!!! No way these cheaters will allow Mid Terms to go on. When you hurt people like this it's because no one wants to go to jail forever. God helps us 
Cases take off after you lift restrictions.Japan COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Japan Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
Australia COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Australia Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
Err....look at the numbers....it took off in Australia after they dropped their restrictions. It took off in Japan after the Olympics....there's a lull in June (very tight border controls after the Olympics) and then whoosh! You aren't even looking at the facts anymore....just wholesale making up stuff.
At least you finally admit the solution you like is Australia and New Zealand. I would think in your religion confession would be good for the soul.
That’s why smart places kept their restrictions in place until after they vaccinated the population.
It worked. Their death rate stayed low. Ours did not.
"Cases take off after you lift restrictions"
Depends on the restrictions. Again, Los Angeles implemented you indoor dining vision. Didn't help. Los Angeles masking vis-a-vis OC's non didn't help. NZ/Australia restrictions...absolutely...glad you are finally being honest about your preference for them....the question then becomes you willing to trade that for the lives saved. Japan their chief safe guard was the border controls...it help limit the impact from the Olympics but you see what happens when one of the later omicron snuck through.
"That's why smart place kept their restriction in place until after they vaccinated the population"
No. You only needed them in place until the 50 and over crowd was offered the vaccination. You didn't need to force your population to make the decision (they are all adults and can make up their own mind re the risk). You didn't need to wait for the children.
"It worked. Their death rate stayed low. Ours did not."
Yes, it's pretty clear vaccination blunted the impact of deaths. Places with high vaccination uptake, particularly among the elderly, do well (China has it backwards with high vaccination among workers and low among elderly hence their panic over the lockdowns). If you take out the early nursing home deaths (Sweden did the same as NY/NJ in the nursing home), Sweden's excess death rate is on par with Norway (which didn't have masks). Vaccination (the numbers and how early they got it) and, for those nations that chose to implement it, really harsh lockdowns coupled with severe border controls are the only things which made a difference. The rest is serendipity (oh and density/living conditions). That why you have Norway with no masks and loose lockdowns that did so well, and Peru that had harsh long lasting but leaky lockdowns and open borders and masks did so poorly.
You still haven't explained why cases in Japan and Australia didn't rise in 2020 and 2021.
If masks and NPI don't work, then Tokyo and Melbourne would have seen an explosion in cases during fall of 2020. They didn't. Something worked, and it wasn't just border controls.
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SADS is real folks and the losers who have lied, cheated and stole from us have only one place to go when this is all over and they all know it. It's just a matter of time. So many are dying and the psycho's and their pals just want to talk mask BS. These selfish fathers and trolls only care about one thing. I don't mention the deaths of frens or frens of frens anymore because it's happening everyday now and it's frankly depressing to chat about. RIP to all those who will die from SADS, it truly is sad and if you get the Monkeypox, I'm also sad for you. I heard that a wife and her kids got it from hubby who was living a double life and was up to his sneaky old ways. You will all get exposed sooner rather than later and Karma will bite you in the ass at the right time if you don't stop this madness.
SADS is real folks and the losers who have lied, cheated and stole from us have only one place to go when this is all over and they all know it. It's just a matter of time. So many are dying and the psycho's and their pals just want to talk mask BS. These selfish fathers and trolls only care about one thing. I don't mention the deaths of frens or frens of frens anymore because it's happening everyday now and it's frankly depressing to chat about. RIP to all those who will die from SADS, it truly is sad and if you get the Monkeypox, I'm also sad for you. I heard that a wife and her kids got it from hubby who was living a double life and was up to his sneaky old ways. You will all get exposed sooner rather than later and Karma will bite you in the ass at the right time if you don't stop this madness.
The types of restrictions that Dad4 wants/wanted are not culturally viable or logistically feasible in the United States. When you live in a country that values freedom (likely more so than any other country) you have to take the good with the bad. We don't have a switch that we can just flip from individual independence to authoritarian control when politicians think the conditions warrant it. That's why health policy has to be developed that takes into account a population's culture. A one size fits all approach doesn't work across countries, let alone cities and states.
I know we're trying to rewrite history but I have a vague recollection that we declared independence from Britain because of government oppression and that the country was founded on the concepts of freedom, limited government and individual responsibility.
Now individual responsibility doesn't work very well when you don't have accountability. That's why maybe we didn't fare as well as other countries because we didn't have accountability from some citizens, politicians, health experts, etc.
I said NPIs do work. They just need to be the really harsh ones that Australia, New Zealand, Vietnam and China did. That's the choice. Really severe lockdowns or Sweden. Everything else whether the harsh leaky lockdowns of Peru, the periodic lockdowns of Europe, the indoor dining ban of Los Angeles, the masks of Germany or the no masks but light lockdowns of Norway failed.
Like I told you as well, I think masks help a little on a case by case basis when the R0 is much lower than it was for Omicron and Delta, particularly if they are a really good mask. Border controls and/or being an island also worked until you got a leak (see also Taiwan besides Japan). You also know I think Asia had some cross reactivity from other coronaviruses because Japan had far less testing, lockdowns and masking than Peru and was far more dense, yet finished better, and the Phillipines had better testing than Japan, more severe masking, and more lockdowns, yet finished substantially worse, and Spain had one of the most severe mask mandates in the world and finished substantially worse. Japan is also, from a cultural point of view, really good at distancing despite the density, where Peru, the Philippines and Spain are certainly not, and it makes a difference if you are masking in separate apartments or masking over tapas laughing with a bunch of friends.
In any case, from a policy standpoint (as opposed to moral behavior) I think you can replicate the experience of Australia/New Zealand (you just probably end up in a civil war in the United States both against the BLM protestors and the red states defying you) but you can't replicate what happened in Japan (island, long term masking culture, respectful of distancing while sick, possible coronavirus cross reactivity).
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So are you switching teams now? Seems you made a great point for mandates and restrictions.Japan COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Japan Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
Australia COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Australia Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
Err....look at the numbers....it took off in Australia after they dropped their restrictions. It took off in Japan after the Olympics....there's a lull in June (very tight border controls after the Olympics) and then whoosh! You aren't even looking at the facts anymore....just wholesale making up stuff.
At least you finally admit the solution you like is Australia and New Zealand. I would think in your religion confession would be good for the soul.
So now you say that masks and NPI work somewhat, if you actually follow them. ( If you take the mask off to get drinks with friends, then the mask wont do much good in your purse. )
On that, we agree.
We live in a world in which 1 in 15 AZ GOP governor voters “forgot” to vote for Secretary of State.
Or is that actually the case? Karrin wants to speak to Kari’s manager about those 55k ballots.
Thanks for reading!
BTW, RIP Olivia Newton-John. We need the men to shape up. I have never in my life been around the weakest and milt toast fathers ever. Total sells outs and not real man at all.
Or is that actually the case? Karrin wants to speak to Kari’s manager about those 55k ballots.
Thanks for reading!
BTW, RIP Olivia Newton-John. We need the men to shape up. I have never in my life been around the weakest and milt toast fathers ever. Total sells outs and not real man at all.
Rhino Liz's hubby is partners with the lawyer who represents Hunter and the Lap top from hell. I mean this is insane and little psycho and his bros on here love Liz & Dick so much. They hated Dick in 2001 but sure love him now because he hate Trump & says Trump is the most dangerous American in the last 246 years.
Again you are moralizing and I’m doing policy. Short of mask police there’s no way to force people to mask properly therefore there’s no way to macro it up
you know something else that would have helped that did in Japan? Weight loss. Los Angeles would have been better off forcing people to eat sushi, taxing them for every pound gained and opening the outdoor facilities than what they did which is another huge difference between Japan and the phillipines.
I’m saying the choice is real long last thing and very harsh mandates and restrictions v none at all. Everything else is just theater.