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socalkdg said:
Even that shows a slight downward trend in death rates for Californa. But you said 120K died on a national level, thus why I showed the information showing a dramatic downward trend in deaths per day over the last 8 weeks.

So 5733 deaths assigned to Covid for first 6 months. 14,000 people die by accident per year in California, or 7000 for first 6 months. Turns out we are the best at avoiding accidents in the US, but accidental deaths still higher than Covid.
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The 5,733 deaths assigned for COVID were not for the first 6 months they are for less than 3 months March 31 to June 24. On that basis, and if we stay at the same rate of deaths, it will be over 23,000 deaths for the year and most likely higher since we are on a rise. Maybe we should just remove stop signs and speed limits because the deaths by traffic accident aren't as high as COVID.
 
Keepermom2 said:
I have to believe these people don't even know what they are saying....essentially they are saying that the approximate 20% of the population that are in high risk and as well as the people that take care of them too or have to live with them for one reason or another, should just lock themselves up so the rest of society can live free even though that 20% of the population are a significant part of society. That is just so disheartening that there are people that think that way.
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They have finally embraced “death panels.”
 
Keepermom2 said:
The 5,733 deaths assigned for COVID were not for the first 6 months they are for less than 3 months March 31 to June 24. On that basis, and if we stay at the same rate of deaths, it will be over 23,000 deaths for the year and most likely higher since we are on a rise. Maybe we should just remove stop signs and speed limits because the deaths by traffic accident aren't as high as COVID.
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And note....most of those deaths were while we were under lock down.
 
Grace T. said:
This is an argument that the law doesn't matter and mob rule should just prevail. The people who get to do activities are the ones most readily eager to use violence.
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It is so unfair that you can’t get a haircut while everyone else gets to have fun outside the house protesting systemic race discrimination and abuse by law enforcement? Sure.

False equivalency BTW. And in a very passive aggressive manner. FYI, most people typically find the latter to be very off-putting even when they share your position. You might want to use a slightly different approach next time.
 
Come on folks the gig is up, spare us the senseless drivel...you Dems and your Blue State / City officials have zero credibility and are toxic to this country. We're being played!

www.thecity.nyc

Mayor de Blasio’s new “test and trace” team has been told not to ask people who tested positive for coronavirus whether they attended any demonstrations.

Mayor de Blasio’s new “test and trace” team has been told not to ask people who tested positive for coronavirus whether they attended any George Floyd demonstrations.
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MicPaPa said:
Come on folks the gig is up, spare us the senseless drivel...you Dems and your Blue State / City officials have zero credibility and are toxic to this country. We're being played!

www.thecity.nyc

Mayor de Blasio’s new “test and trace” team has been told not to ask people who tested positive for coronavirus whether they attended any demonstrations.

Mayor de Blasio’s new “test and trace” team has been told not to ask people who tested positive for coronavirus whether they attended any George Floyd demonstrations.
www.thecity.nyc www.thecity.nyc
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MicPaPa said:
Come on folks the gig is up, spare us the senseless drivel...you Dems and your Blue State / City officials have zero credibility and are toxic to this country. We're being played!

www.thecity.nyc

Mayor de Blasio’s new “test and trace” team has been told not to ask people who tested positive for coronavirus whether they attended any demonstrations.

Mayor de Blasio’s new “test and trace” team has been told not to ask people who tested positive for coronavirus whether they attended any George Floyd demonstrations.
www.thecity.nyc www.thecity.nyc
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What's up with the fist everyone has up? That is gnarly too. Is it ok to be in the middle anymore or are sides being drawn and one needs to knee and then pump a fist in solitude?
 
socalkdg said:
Accidents.

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I should have known better than to question your facts. You aren't like many others that post instagram numbers. As noted above, it doesn't matter because your calculation was in accurate but you did get me to thinking and I looked up fatalities due to drunk driving considering the fact everyone is using deaths as a basis for arguments as if it was only a number and not related to a human being.

I noted in 2007 the fatalities caused by drunk driving was 12,320 for the nation. I used 2007 because that number was higher before Ubers etc. So based on the arguments that the number of deaths compared to population is low that everyone keeps making related to COVID, we shouldn't have drunk driving laws. That takes away our personal freedom to manage our own risk and after all, only 12k people die from it. If you are concerned about me killing you from drunk driving, then stay home. That sounds pretty idiotic doesn't it but that is in essence the same argument that many are making on here and elsewhere.
 
EOTL said:
Paragraph 2 starts with what is known as the strawman argument. No one has advocated for a “perpetual lockdown.” This person then supplements her strawman with the emotional appeal technique, which is a good one when you still don’t have facts. To really drive home the emotional appeal argument, next time I recommend adding an anecdotal story about a fictional child named Bobby who couldn’t get his cancer treatment due to covid hysteria, was beaten in the home by his laid off father who fell into drinking and depression, and ultimately took his own life after the physical and emotional toll just became too much.
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I just threw back at you the same thing you did. Guess satire is a little beyond you. Few people are saying oh just go for it. I personally believe in limited mask use and reasonable precautions. But fact remains you can’t allow these protests and then expect any limiting principle. The limiting principle current policy seems to be headed is open up everything except let’s f the kids, which is not only unscientific, insane but only being done because it’s low hanging fruit (they don’t vote and their parents don’t riot at least not over this).
 
gkmom said:
We have 120k people dead in our country due to Covid. In less time than an entire flu season, which at most kills around 60k. And the numbers are only trending up. I don't want to hear any bullshit that the numbers aren't accurate, are inflated, or my personal favorite- the hospitals are part of the deep state and only in for a profit. Don't use that argument unless you can prove it with hard facts. Its absurd

It also pisses me off when people say this whole situation is a ploy by the governor or other politicians for a political agenda. NOBODY wants to see people lose their lives and jobs. Nobody is that evil except maybe Hitler. The government is trying to remedy this absolute mess with our livelihoods being first priority. Whether you want to believe it or not.

And, as much as we all want to we cannot just isolate the at risk and everyone carries on as normal. It just won't work. Do relatives of these people have to move out? How will the at risk eat? Where will they sleep? Not to mention the countless stories of perfectly healthy young people who got very I'll or died.

And NO, you soccer parents do not know more than the medical experts and professionals, as much as you think you do. Next time you say Fauci doesn't know anything, please state where your medical degree is from.

And don't tell me I can just hide in my house and you will go on with life. I will tell you to wear a fucking mask, stay six feet apart, and for God's sake don't have a fucking dinner party in your house. Your whiny, selfish, privileged ass can handle it for a few more months for the sake of fellow humans. The countries that have been successful have done all of these things.

I've said this before and I will say it again - PEOPLE DENY OUT OF FEAR. They are scared of what's happening (as they should be) so it's easier to believe it really isn't that bad
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PMS?
 
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