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dad4 said:
The virus doesn’t care about your cause, or my cause.

If it is stupid to hold a mass gathering, then it is stupid to hold a mass gathering.

Otherwise you are deep onto that self-denial territory you mentioned.
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“It is stupid to hold a mass gathering”, well that is truncated passive voice. Truncated passive voice is commonly used when you’re trying to obscure who did what. This allows the person to avoid addressing who is responsible for the action, although that’s a really important point here. Specifically, with the Tulsa rally we knew that Trump held the mass gathering. Trump decided to do it, he was responsible for it, it is his fault. A single person could have easily avoided that stupid and dangerous mass gathering.

With the protests, on the other hand, there isn’t a single person or small group responsible for making it happen. “It might be stupid” to protest but, unlike the Tulsa rally, there just isn’t a way to stop them from occurring. There are too many individual people making individual decisions in too many places. And as everyone should be aware, the more beating on protesters, the more tear gas, the more individual decisions to protest you’re going to get. To the extent you’re saying it was stupid to have mass protests, you may as well be saying it’s stupid for the sun to go around so slowly because its getting pretty hot. With Tulsa, on the other hand, a dumb mass gathering could have been easily avoided by a single dumbf**k. And although he tries to paint himself like the sun, the only thing inevitable about Trump is that he’s gonna need his Depends at least as much tomorrow as he does today.
 
MacDre said:
I find your analysis dishonest and manipulative. Sir, classism and racism segregate and isolate the disenfranchised. The disenfranchised kids were stuck at home prior to Covid. The privileged kids are the ones having to acclimate to isolation not the disenfranchised. Have you heard the term “latchkey kid?” You didn’t give a fuck about the disenfranchised 6 months ago, why do you care now?
Well, I don’t think you care. I think you just want what you want and nothing else matters and I’m okay with that. Just keep the disenfranchised out of your weak ass analysis and I’ll fall back. Yeah, keep the po’ folk up out ya mouth patna because ya don’t know what ya talking ‘bout and it’s obvious.
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Spare us the victim BS... it's stale and tiresome. Thanks.
 
EOTL said:
“It is stupid to hold a mass gathering”, well that is truncated passive voice. Truncated passive voice is commonly used when you’re trying to obscure who did what. This allows the person to avoid addressing who is responsible for the action, although that’s a really important point here. Specifically, with the Tulsa rally we knew that Trump held the mass gathering. Trump decided to do it, he was responsible for it, it is his fault. A single person could have easily avoided that stupid and dangerous mass gathering.

With the protests, on the other hand, there isn’t a single person or small group responsible for making it happen. “It might be stupid” to protest but, unlike the Tulsa rally, there just isn’t a way to stop them from occurring. There are too many individual people making individual decisions in too many places. And as everyone should be aware, the more beating on protesters, the more tear gas, the more individual decisions to protest you’re going to get. To the extent you’re saying it was stupid to have mass protests, you may as well be saying it’s stupid for the sun to go around so slowly because its getting pretty hot. With Tulsa, on the other hand, a dumb mass gathering could have been easily avoided by a single dumbf**k. And although he tries to paint himself like the sun, the only thing inevitable about Trump is that he’s gonna need his Depends at least as much tomorrow as he does today.
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Just curious, are you a university professor?
 
EOTL said:
Here we have a legitimate debate issue, maybe. Specifically, where do you draw the line with respect to going out? I’m ok with going out to protest racial inequality and police abuse. I think that’s an important enough reason under the circumstances to justify the number of additional people who will probably die as a result, and probably not stoppable anyway. Going to Applebees for dinner, not so much. The president holding a rally in Tulsa to soothe his fragile ego, also no, that’s terrible leadership. It’s one thing to tolerate a mass gathering, but another for our leaders to cause it because they have low self-esteem.
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and not say anything to all of the people not wearing a mask or at least encouraging them to put a mask on is incomprehensible.
 
EOTL said:
“It is stupid to hold a mass gathering”, well that is truncated passive voice. Truncated passive voice is commonly used when you’re trying to obscure who did what. This allows the person to avoid addressing who is responsible for the action, although that’s a really important point here. Specifically, with the Tulsa rally we knew that Trump held the mass gathering. Trump decided to do it, he was responsible for it, it is his fault. A single person could have easily avoided that stupid and dangerous mass gathering.

With the protests, on the other hand, there isn’t a single person or small group responsible for making it happen. “It might be stupid” to protest but, unlike the Tulsa rally, there just isn’t a way to stop them from occurring. There are too many individual people making individual decisions in too many places. And as everyone should be aware, the more beating on protesters, the more tear gas, the more individual decisions to protest you’re going to get. To the extent you’re saying it was stupid to have mass protests, you may as well be saying it’s stupid for the sun to go around so slowly because its getting pretty hot. With Tulsa, on the other hand, a dumb mass gathering could have been easily avoided by a single dumbf**k. And although he tries to paint himself like the sun, the only thing inevitable about Trump is that he’s gonna need his Depends at least as much tomorrow as he does today.
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I can think of several protests and riots that could have been avoided by a single dumbfuck not being a criminal resisting arrest.
 
EOTL said:
“It is stupid to hold a mass gathering”, well that is truncated passive voice. Truncated passive voice is commonly used when you’re trying to obscure who did what. This allows the person to avoid addressing who is responsible for the action, although that’s a really important point here. Specifically, with the Tulsa we knew that Trump held the mass gathering. Trump decided to do it, he was responsible for it, it is his fault. A single person could have easily avoided that stupid and dangerous mass gathering.

With the protests, on the other hand, there isn’t a single person or small group responsible for making it happen. “It might be stupid” to protest but, unlike the Tulsa rally, there just isn’t a way to stop them from occurring. There are too many individual people making individual decisions in too many places. And as everyone should be aware, the more beating on protesters, the more tear gas, the more individual decisions to protest you’re going to get. To the extent you’re saying it was stupid to have mass protests, you may as well be saying its stupid for the sun to go around so slowly because its getting pretty hot. With Tulsa, on the other hand, a dumb mass gathering could have been easily avoided by a single dumbf**k. And although he tries to paint himself like the sun, the only thing inevitable about Trump is that he’s gonna need his Depends at least as much tomorrow as he does today.
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You don‘t like my choice of verb tense.

Fine. EOTL is stupid for endorsing mass gatherings during a pandemic.

I eliminated the passive. Are you happy?

Sorry. Mass gatherings right now are dumb, I know you think the slogan on your sign is super important. I may or may not agree, but the virus doesn’t give a rat’s ass for what is on your sign or who organized it. As long as you and 1000 other people are together and shouting, the virus is spreading.
 
gkmom said:
We have 120k people dead in our country due to Covid. In less time than an entire flu season, which at most kills around 60k. And the numbers are only trending up. I don't want to hear any bullshit that the numbers aren't accurate, are inflated, or my personal favorite- the hospitals are part of the deep state and only in for a profit. Don't use that argument unless you can prove it with hard facts. Its absurd

It also pisses me off when people say this whole situation is a ploy by the governor or other politicians for a political agenda. NOBODY wants to see people lose their lives and jobs. Nobody is that evil except maybe Hitler. The government is trying to remedy this absolute mess with our livelihoods being first priority. Whether you want to believe it or not.

And, as much as we all want to we cannot just isolate the at risk and everyone carries on as normal. It just won't work. Do relatives of these people have to move out? How will the at risk eat? Where will they sleep? Not to mention the countless stories of perfectly healthy young people who got very I'll or died.

And NO, you soccer parents do not know more than the medical experts and professionals, as much as you think you do. Next time you say Fauci doesn't know anything, please state where your medical degree is from.

And don't tell me I can just hide in my house and you will go on with life. I will tell you to wear a fucking mask, stay six feet apart, and for God's sake don't have a fucking dinner party in your house. Your whiny, selfish, privileged ass can handle it for a few more months for the sake of fellow humans. The countries that have been successful have done all of these things.

I've said this before and I will say it again - PEOPLE DENY OUT OF FEAR. They are scared of what's happening (as they should be) so it's easier to believe it really isn't that bad
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Pssst...stay home then and don't concern yourself with others.
 
EOTL said:
This is whatabout-ism. The point of this tactic is to try to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument. None of what this fella is saying has anything to do with the fact that not wearing masks will kill more people, as will ending shelter-in-place restrictions. It has nothing to do with the self-denial of those who want to fully open up that doing so will kill people, other than it is just more self-denial.

But since you really wanna talk about racist pigs, I’ll flatter you. They should also wear masks. Protesters should wear masks. Everyone should wear masks. Everyone should stay home when they can. I’m ok with the non-racist cops continuing to so their job as long as they wear masks and there are important reasons to be out and about.
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I am not anti-mask, but we have been sold down the river.
 
Regardless of the age of the person with COVID or whether you believe they are COVID positive or just regular patients, this is what is going to drive the decisions in the coming weeks and doing nothing to change the trend isn't an option.
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Even that shows a slight downward trend in death rates for Californa. But you said 120K died on a national level, thus why I showed the information showing a dramatic downward trend in deaths per day over the last 8 weeks.

So 5733 deaths assigned to Covid for first 6 months. 14,000 people die by accident per year in California, or 7000 for first 6 months. Turns out we are the best at avoiding accidents in the US, but accidental deaths still higher than Covid.
 
gkmom said:
That's the problem. People aren't concerned about others. Only themselves
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I have to believe these people don't even know what they are saying....essentially they are saying that the approximate 20% of the population that are in high risk and as well as the people that take care of them too or have to live with them for one reason or another, should just lock themselves up so the rest of society can live free even though that 20% of the population are a significant part of society. That is just so disheartening that there are people that think that way.
 
dad4 said:
You don‘t like my choice of verb tense.

Fine. EOTL is stupid for endorsing mass gatherings during a pandemic.

I eliminated the passive. Are you happy?

Sorry. Mass gatherings right now are dumb, I know you think the slogan on your sign is super important. I may or may not agree, but the virus doesn’t give a rat’s ass for what is on your sign or who organized it. As long as you and 1000 other people are together and shouting, the virus is spreading.
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I’m glad you’re getting it.

OK now you’re using “shoot the messenger.” I’m just telling you why mass protests are happening and why they’re inevitable. Sure, like the millions of like minded participants, I think they’re worth holding, but my opinion (see I know the difference between opinion and fact) on the matter has zero influence on them. Blame me all you want, but we both know I didn’t cause it. I’m just the poster boy for you since there is no specific person to blame. Keep barking at the moon about the protests.
 
socalkdg said:
Even that shows a slight downward trend in death rates for Californa. But you said 120K died on a national level, thus why I showed the information showing a dramatic downward trend in deaths per day over the last 8 weeks.

So 5733 deaths assigned to Covid for first 6 months. 14,000 people die by accident per year in California, or 7000 for first 6 months. Turns out we are the best at avoiding accidents in the US, but accidental deaths still higher than Covid.
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Please show your facts for car accidents.
 
EOTL said:
“It is stupid to hold a mass gathering”, well that is truncated passive voice. Truncated passive voice is commonly used when you’re trying to obscure who did what. This allows the person to avoid addressing who is responsible for the action, although that’s a really important point here. Specifically, with the Tulsa rally we knew that Trump held the mass gathering. Trump decided to do it, he was responsible for it, it is his fault. A single person could have easily avoided that stupid and dangerous mass gathering.

With the protests, on the other hand, there isn’t a single person or small group responsible for making it happen. “It might be stupid” to protest but, unlike the Tulsa rally, there just isn’t a way to stop them from occurring. There are too many individual people making individual decisions in too many places. And as everyone should be aware, the more beating on protesters, the more tear gas, the more individual decisions to protest you’re going to get. To the extent you’re saying it was stupid to have mass protests, you may as well be saying it’s stupid for the sun to go around so slowly because its getting pretty hot. With Tulsa, on the other hand, a dumb mass gathering could have been easily avoided by a single dumbf**k. And although he tries to paint himself like the sun, the only thing inevitable about Trump is that he’s gonna need his Depends at least as much tomorrow as he does today.
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This is an argument that the law doesn't matter and mob rule should just prevail. The people who get to do activities are the ones most readily eager to use violence.
 
EOTL said:
I’m glad you’re getting it.

OK now you’re using “shoot the messenger.” I’m just telling you why mass protests are happening and why they’re inevitable. Sure, like the millions of like minded participants, I think they’re worth holding, but my opinion (see I know the difference between opinion and fact) on the matter has zero influence on them. Blame me all you want, but we both know I didn’t cause it. I’m just the poster boy for you since there is no specific person to blame. Keep barking at the moon about the protests.
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I know who to blame. The protests are bullshit and if criminals weren't coddled, they wouldn't happen. The only thing it's worth is feigned pity.
 
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