The virus doesn’t care about your cause, or my cause.
If it is stupid to hold a mass gathering, then it is stupid to hold a mass gathering.
Otherwise you are deep onto that self-denial territory you mentioned.
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If it is stupid to hold a mass gathering, then it is stupid to hold a mass gathering.
Otherwise you are deep onto that self-denial territory you mentioned.
Unless you have stayed at home the whole time, you probably already know and came into contact with someone that is infected and they just don't realize it. The good news is divide the death percentages by 10.
"CDC Director Robert Redfield on Thursday said the number of coronavirus infections in the U.S. could be 10 times higher than the confirmed case count — meaning a total of more than 20 million. "Our best estimate right now is for every case reported there were actually 10 other infections,” Redfield said during a call with reporters, referencing data from antibody tests that show who has been exposed to the virus. ""
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"CDC Director Robert Redfield on Thursday said the number of coronavirus infections in the U.S. could be 10 times higher than the confirmed case count — meaning a total of more than 20 million. "Our best estimate right now is for every case reported there were actually 10 other infections,” Redfield said during a call with reporters, referencing data from antibody tests that show who has been exposed to the virus. ""
CDC chief: Covid-19 infections could be 10 times higher than confirmed cases
The CDC on Thursday removed a specific age threshold on its guidance for who is at high risk of contracting the virus and now says risk increases steadily with age among adults.
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We have 120k people dead in our country due to Covid. In less time than an entire flu season, which at most kills around 60k. And the numbers are only trending up. I don't want to hear any bullshit that the numbers aren't accurate, are inflated, or my personal favorite- the hospitals are part of the deep state and only in for a profit. Don't use that argument unless you can prove it with hard facts. Its absurd
It also pisses me off when people say this whole situation is a ploy by the governor or other politicians for a political agenda. NOBODY wants to see people lose their lives and jobs. Nobody is that evil except maybe Hitler. The government is trying to remedy this absolute mess with our livelihoods being first priority. Whether you want to believe it or not.
And, as much as we all want to we cannot just isolate the at risk and everyone carries on as normal. It just won't work. Do relatives of these people have to move out? How will the at risk eat? Where will they sleep? Not to mention the countless stories of perfectly healthy young people who got very I'll or died.
And NO, you soccer parents do not know more than the medical experts and professionals, as much as you think you do. Next time you say Fauci doesn't know anything, please state where your medical degree is from.
And don't tell me I can just hide in my house and you will go on with life. I will tell you to wear a fucking mask, stay six feet apart, and for God's sake don't have a fucking dinner party in your house. Your whiny, selfish, privileged ass can handle it for a few more months for the sake of fellow humans. The countries that have been successful have done all of these things.
I've said this before and I will say it again - PEOPLE DENY OUT OF FEAR. They are scared of what's happening (as they should be) so it's easier to believe it really isn't that bad
It also pisses me off when people say this whole situation is a ploy by the governor or other politicians for a political agenda. NOBODY wants to see people lose their lives and jobs. Nobody is that evil except maybe Hitler. The government is trying to remedy this absolute mess with our livelihoods being first priority. Whether you want to believe it or not.
And, as much as we all want to we cannot just isolate the at risk and everyone carries on as normal. It just won't work. Do relatives of these people have to move out? How will the at risk eat? Where will they sleep? Not to mention the countless stories of perfectly healthy young people who got very I'll or died.
And NO, you soccer parents do not know more than the medical experts and professionals, as much as you think you do. Next time you say Fauci doesn't know anything, please state where your medical degree is from.
And don't tell me I can just hide in my house and you will go on with life. I will tell you to wear a fucking mask, stay six feet apart, and for God's sake don't have a fucking dinner party in your house. Your whiny, selfish, privileged ass can handle it for a few more months for the sake of fellow humans. The countries that have been successful have done all of these things.
I've said this before and I will say it again - PEOPLE DENY OUT OF FEAR. They are scared of what's happening (as they should be) so it's easier to believe it really isn't that bad
I can;t read past that line in bold. That is 100% not a true statement, would you agree gk mom?
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I beg to differ.
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You forgot the boot licking uncle tom’s.
If you read past that line you would see that I said if you came back with that argument to back it up with hard facts
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I think this is the point the anti-openers miss.
For how long are we willing to be shut down or limited in our activities?
You can pretty much bet that anytime we re-open, cases are going to jump. It is not like the virus will magically disappear. So yes you will get a jump in cases as towns, states, etc start to open up.
And when that jump happens, people will argue well we need to shut it down again. All this does is hurt biz, education, etc and prolong the whole mess. And then what...shut down for a bit...then reopen...see a jump in cases and shut down or restrict again? That is essentially the argument many here and elsewhere seem to be making.
It is a fascinating argument to hear people essentially say change everything now in the HOPES that one day in the future we come up with a vaccine. That vaccine may never come, or it may come in a year or two.
The overall death rate for the flu is approximately .1%. We don't freak out about that. Covid according to the CDC is approximately .25%.
So apparently 1 death out 1k (infection fatality rate) for the flu is not ever a worry for anyone here (we don't even think about it) but 2.5 deaths per 1k suddenly people want to shut the barn doors. Right? With one nothing changes. With covid however now a lot of people say we may have to sit around for months or a year or longer severely restricting life.
All on the premise that one day we MAY have a vaccine.
Nope. It is true. Most experts have consistently said that the estimates are low, not high.
There are instances of over count, and instances of undercount. But, among those with degrees in epidemiology, the consensus us that we are over 120,000.
I already have on numerous occassions and so has Kicker. Stroke and brain dead and then catches the virus at hospital already brain dead. Do you understand that death is in the 120,000. No?
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Why uncle tom again? Are you going to call someone oreo next?
We dont need a racial loyalty test. Our ancestors used it, and it did not help.
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Well, if you're a bad boy and don't want to follow the rules, you wave your right to post 4th grade cap and gown photos when the bad boy dies.
Yes,I understand the death rate is in the 120,000's. That's exactly what I said. Unless I miread your statement
Paragraph 2 starts with what is known as the strawman argument. No one has advocated for a “perpetual lockdown.” This person then supplements her strawman with the emotional appeal technique, which is a good one when you still don’t have facts. To really drive home the emotional appeal argument, next time I recommend adding an anecdotal story about a fictional child named Bobby who couldn’t get his cancer treatment due to covid hysteria, was beaten in the home by his laid off father who fell into drinking and depression, and ultimately took his own life after the physical and emotional toll just became too much. Just keep in mind, though, I’ve got like a sh*t ton of sad dead grandma and parent-left-their-child-orphaned stories.
No one disputes Covid sucks. No one disputes it has taken a huge financial and emotional toll. But it also cannot reasonably be disputed that shelter-in-place has saved far more than it has killed. It can’t be disputed that if we just had fewer dumb Americans refusing to wear masks and recklessly going out, we would be much further along in our economy and getting people back to work instead of beating their wives and children indefinitely. The best you can do there is go back to “I’m just asking questions”, but I’ve already discussed why that’s stupid. 120,000 people have died. It will likely be more than 200,000 by the end of the year. Maybe 20,000 will die from domestic violence during that same period in the entire world, very few of which will be due to covid. Maybe 30,000 total suicides in the US, only a small percentage due to covid. Although a small number relatively speaking, those deaths will continue relentlessly along with the direct covid deaths until the really hard core science that we’re relying on (vaccines) saves us from the really simple and basic science that even a dotard should be able to understand but too many choose to disbelieve or disregard because they want a haircut.
Why is it so hard for anyone to say “Yes I’m ok with a lot of people dying for the sake of the economy and my own wallet.” Is it because ya’ll are religious and think god will strike you down if you admit to yourself what you’re asking for? Carry on with getting back to movie theaters and youth soccer tournaments. Do it for Bobby!
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This garbage was hard to read because it’s primarily speculation and conjecture. I guess your an advocate for the education of disenfranchised youth now? Are you aware that the disenfranchised didn’t have access to quality education prior to Covid? Doesn’t “good school” typically mean the absence of disenfranchised youth? Why are you all of a sudden concerned about disenfranchised youth? Are you attempting to exploit the suffering of disenfranchised youth to promote your agenda?
Funny you mention cancer treatment because my father in law had surgery in Florida last week. He also spent 3 days in the ICU post surgery. He also has chemo and radiation scheduled for the first week of July. My wife, who just received teacher of the year award at UCSF says hospitals throughout CA are laying people off because no one is coming in for treatment. I believe UCSF recently started a marketing campaign encouraging folks to come to the hospital for treatment. So facts, not fear please.
I do agree that it sucks to be an owner or employee of a small business now. But hell, my physician wife is looking at reduced hours because folks aren’t coming to the hospital for treatment. So, my family is getting squeezed too...but do you here me complaining? I’m happy I’m still alive. Count your blessings and stop complaining!
While I can't prove if the the real number is higher or lower than 122,000, its incredibly misleading to call them deaths caused by Covid. It is actually the number of people who were confirmed Covid positive when they died.
Per Illinois Health Director:
If you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means technically even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it's still listed as a COVID death. So, everyone who's listed as a COVID death doesn't mean that that was the cause of the death, but they had COVID at the time of the death.
Washington state also confirmed that they were counting every person who has died if Covid positive, even gunshot victims. Interestingly they said that those that died covid positive but not covid caused will eventually be removed from the count but its an 18 month process to identify those deaths. Which is awesome because now I can use the "lag time" argument!
In all fairness, there could be some potential reasons why numbers may be understated.
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Maybe the "disenfranchised" kid didn't get a quality education because of his upbringing and behavior. Can we blame a white cop for that, Dre?
