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Go with 24K for the year that you mention. Normal deaths for California is 268K deaths for the year. Population 39 million.
Do we keep kids out of school? Out of sports? Shut down business? Put people out of work? All for a 10% uptick?
I’ll answer. Kids back to school and back to sports. Adults wear mask or social distance while open up business and keep people working. And more testing. Make it cheap and easy with quicker turnaround on the tests.
By the way. CDC said today We have 10x as many cases then reported. So 2 million cases in California, not 200K.
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I agree with you except for one issue. This covid thing is not going away. How are you going to quarantine an entire state for 12 months. People will lose their jobs, homes, and savings. I do agree that the mask thing is a must. Nobody knows what to do but doing nothing at home for 13 months is also not the answer
You know what, you are right. I will stop allowing the protests. It was very arrogant of me to let them go out for such an asinine reason, and still expect everyone else to only go out for things that were critically important to them. What was I thinking?
So 4/5 people should be beholden to the needs of the 1/5? Business, freedoms, work, life, etc., so 1/5 can dictate the path forward...it’s like 1/5 kids struggle in school and need tutoring, so all kids get mandated tutoring whether they need it or not...one size fits all solutions very rarely work...you just spelled out the Pareto Principle ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle) ....crazy when the tail wags the dog.
600k cancer deaths a year....the Flu Death estimates are 30-65k, but we are going to change the way we live for Covid...does the other stuff not matter anymore?
The at-risk cross section should not be driving decisions or behaviors for those with low risk. The at risk group needs to be managed differently. It is not all or nothing, one way or no way.
200k is .058% of the population in the US. Lots of people and very, very tragic. Not minimizing that. 99.942% are left. There has to be a better way than what is being done currently. Suicide, mental health, social, economic, etc, etc. all these factors matter in making policy, decisions, and a path forward. It’s multi-dimensional. Problem is this board is a microcosm of the world. We can’t agree on shit, and the end results are mandated solutions that blow.
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I don’t know man. I kinda feel like 2.5 million dying annually is plenty. Increasing that by 20-25 percent seems a bit extra, even if it means I can live vicariously through my child’s sports and go to the brewery.
And with that, it’s time for @EOTL to STFU!
The China Virus was in the US much sooner than the lockdown commenced.
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-Its wrong to vandalize statues of Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan
-Not stoked that Costco is bringing back samples
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This hideous thing felt entitled to get a haircut when nobody else could. Yes, THAT hair. This is a two-fer, Rainbow. Black AND Dyker.
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Fisting is a black thing.
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MicPaPa
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Come on simpleton, that's it? You've run out of steam... seriously consider cutting your losses, you're an embarrassment at this point.
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I don't think you read my previous posts because I have stated over and over again kids on the field socially distanced is very low risk and should have been one of the first activities allowed instead of the last after opening nail salons. Now we are back to everyone wearing masks....that has been shown by science and history (1918) to slow the spread...... yet as in 1918 the argument over the freedom to choose whether to wear or not wear masks is stopping many from doing it because of course if they comply by wearing a mask the next step is obviously socialism.
As I have also stated in previous posts, we are headed to various stages of shut down because of hospital capacity issues that I have calculated will occur sometime in August to October if we (in OC) keep increasing hospitalizations and ICU cases at the same rate that has recently been occurring. People (the I will do me population) fighting masks and social distancing are the people that will be driving the bus to those various levels of shut down because what other option will our government have if we don't have enough hospital beds? We can transport to other counties but they are on the rise too. Most are not increasing at the rate we are in OC.
Shut down won't occur to prevent death...it will occur as a necessity to prevent an overwhelmed healthcare system.
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And your point? Deaths only started being identified starting March 31. It doesn't matter when the virus was contracted. The # of deaths in the period used as a basis for annualizing were deaths while we were in lock down. So my point was 23k for a year period is probably very low because during lock down there is less spread so less deaths. I would guesstimate that the deaths in California from COVID will probably end up double 23k.
Nah. Like Governor Newsom, I’m gonna be around for a while to keep reminding everyone how stupid you are.
I'm hearing some chatter that the governor may put SoCal back into at least partial lockdown (or at a minimum halt reopening) because he's worried about things exploding with the 4th. If so that seriously sets back the season which means no way for tournaments to go in August, and season at best becomes a 50/50 proposition.
That doesn't remove his 4th problem if he allows protests to continue because 4th celebrations are speech. The line of flag burning cases pretty much established that, so restrictions must be content neutral and you can't prohibit one and not the other or even limit gathering sizes.
I'm also beginning to think that one of the drivers of this has been not just the protests (which are outside which would reduce transmission) but gatherings in public homes (whether before people head out for protests, or parties, b days, weddings, wakes and because they have no where else to go) and cars on the way to and from. It would explain why it's happening with younger people who are the ones doing the gatherings. If true, both the new lockdowns and mask wearing will do nothing to stop that vector because short of Chinese style house arrest the gatherings (in aircon) will continue to happen and people don't wear masks in other people's houses.
That doesn't remove his 4th problem if he allows protests to continue because 4th celebrations are speech. The line of flag burning cases pretty much established that, so restrictions must be content neutral and you can't prohibit one and not the other or even limit gathering sizes.
I'm also beginning to think that one of the drivers of this has been not just the protests (which are outside which would reduce transmission) but gatherings in public homes (whether before people head out for protests, or parties, b days, weddings, wakes and because they have no where else to go) and cars on the way to and from. It would explain why it's happening with younger people who are the ones doing the gatherings. If true, both the new lockdowns and mask wearing will do nothing to stop that vector because short of Chinese style house arrest the gatherings (in aircon) will continue to happen and people don't wear masks in other people's houses.
Most people I know hate the mask but wear it. However, like me they wear it and do it. We can debate this issue though, right? I watched on local TV for 14 days straight in Socal protesting ((I support peaceful protest)) not wearing mask that much. We got our information and now let's wear a mask in close encounters of people you don't know. I know for a fact this virus has been living with us for a long time and has made it's home here. I saw that 17 family members in Texas got the Corona by the nephew at a house party. Nephew said he had a cough and went to see grandma and grandpa at the family party. Both are over 80 year olds and one of them has cancer. The headline was so lame too, I won;t share it but it's very misleading as so many are today in the news headline biz. Once you read what actually took place, you just see how some people are not following the guidelines very well and it will kill your loved one earlier than they wanted. That's on the family right there imo. It's say's that grandma and grandpa were at the party and one of them had cancer already and is now on life support with Corona and a breathing machine and probably wont make it. Why on earth are you hanging out with your parents? I also saw local tv news for 14 days straight of protest and very little mask. I saw cops hugging and shaking hands and all that cool love and "I want to do better" and I loved that. Good will come from all this but it's the hypocrisy of it all or the double standard that can drive one crazy. Joe Biden has said today he will make it a law if he's elected you must wear a mask. Like I said on numerous occasions, obey the laws and rules regardless if you like them or not. My dd was driving 20 miles over the speed limit ((she had no idea that some cities like to change the speed limit to make some money)) and I told her she has to pay more attention or you will pay big time. She didn;t like that and I said, "Too bad, it's the law."
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They wear it badly, under their noses or fidget with it. The police who I had to deal with recently didn't show up wearing them until they were shamed by a neighbor and her baby. Imagine children in elementary school dealing with it. To see really funny mask usage watch Nadler and the Republicans at the hearing 2 days ago....he had one of the better masks and his use of it was comical. Still, I agee, mask usage is helpful and should be required indoors or in crowds.
I can;t find my prediction on this but I told everyone and many "experts" also said we will see a spike because of the peaceful protest that lasted 14 days straight. However, the peace that some got from their protesting without masks and social distancing has now brought death, yes real death because others decided to exercise their free speech without regards to others safety. What was free for some, has cost people their lives, their livelihood, their purpose, their careers and so much more fear and depression were on a brink of major disaster for all. I see something much more sinister but I'll keep that to myself. TGIG and I truly will pray for peace for everyone.