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MicPaPa said:
I live in SD country with 296 deaths in a population of 3.3 mil, of which over 80% are elderly with comorbidities...but the beauty of Freedom is you're free to stay home, cover yourself and parent however you want...and I'm free to make my choices...it's served us well for centuries.
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and we got the floating boat that was never used so there are a lot of extra ventilators
 
Keepermom2 said:
It isn't about the kids dying...it is about the fact that they are or will become carriers that are asymptomatic. The capacity in hospitals will be what causes us to move to various levels of shut down. So even if you don't care about the 17% of the population that are greater than 65 years old or the 4% of the population that are immune compromised, there will still be an impact on society from a young asymptomatic person that is infected with COVID-19.
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elderly or compromised should isolate themselves from everyone and they won't have to worry about youth soccer kids contaminating them
 
Keepermom2 said:
And how well has that been working for us? The point is....we are heading in the wrong direction. By the way, the percentage of people in ICU under the age of 65 is increas

No you are wrong about my mind set. Go back and read my posts. I have been to the beach and my daughter started secret goalkeeper training May 1. I believe our kids should have been back on the field at least a month ago because the risk of spread is low. All I am saying, we are headed for various shut down activities because of hospital capacity and the anti-face mask people are helping drive that bus to shut down.
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OMG not another hypocrite here. first you obviously dont know the numbers or the percentage or you are just ignoring it all together when we are talking about the demographics of people in ICU. If elderly people with underlying conditions and their loved ones aren't following mitigation procedures, what is the next step? Putting them in jail and locking them up to guarantee they are isolated? Well that isn't working because our governor is releasing prisoners because of COVID. The point is there is no point in locking down everyone if the very people that are vulnerable dont mitigate their own risk.

And you are hilarious, secret goalie training and you are mad at anti mask people. Tell me, are you wiping down the ball each time she touches it? Is your daughter wearing a mask during training? Do as I say not as I do huh? got it.
 
watfly said:
Newsom's statements regarding this is more proof that its political, like his previous actions against OC which has one of the lowest death rates in the country for a large county. So even if you have a low rate, the fact that you disobeyed the Nanny gets you punished. So he rejects the Federal Government telling him what to do, but he's more than happy to lord over the counties.
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Kim Jung Newsome has 1 BILLION dollars worth of masks he needs to resell that is why the mandatory mask order. that clown
 
MicPaPa said:
Respect your point. Just a question or two... Specifically who gets to decide and what do they base it on?
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We have public officials who were voted in by the electorate. Your, or my, candidate may or may not have won, but that's the democratic process. So basically elected officials decide.

What they base it on is surely a loaded question. They should, imv, base it on the best medical (in this instance) advise at the decision point. They should adapt that decision as better information is available. Whether they do or not varies widely, not least as they are politicians who tailor decisions to their base generally.

Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they get it wrong, they always got to go back to the electorate who get to judge via the next election.
 
MSK357 said:
OMG not another hypocrite here. first you obviously dont know the numbers or the percentage or you are just ignoring it all together when we are talking about the demographics of people in ICU. If elderly people with underlying conditions and their loved ones aren't following mitigation procedures, what is the next step? Putting them in jail and locking them up to guarantee they are isolated? Well that isn't working because our governor is releasing prisoners because of COVID. The point is there is no point in locking down everyone if the very people that are vulnerable dont mitigate their own risk.

And you are hilarious, secret goalie training and you are mad at anti mask people. Tell me, are you wiping down the ball each time she touches it? Is your daughter wearing a mask during training? Do as I say not as I do huh? got it.
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You are so dumb and ignorant. There is no point arguing with stupid because stupid just stays stupid. She has fucking gloves on idiot and she takes all appropriate precautions.
 
Keepermom2 said:
You are so dumb and ignorant. There is no point arguing with stupid because stupid just stays stupid. She has fucking gloves on idiot and she takes all appropriate precautions.
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Hmm..I guess she never took a ball to the face. Must be a great goalie.
 
Jose has returned said:
Kim Jung Newsome has 1 BILLION dollars worth of masks he needs to resell that is why the mandatory mask order. that clown
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That he bought from BYD, a Chinese car company that is also a political donor (also made those problematic electric busses). Funny thing is that he paid well over the going rate at the time (we submitted a bid for $1.55/mask back in March, he paid a lot more).
 
Keepermom2 said:
I am not arguing for or against anything. I am simply stating what the numbers are showing about capacity that will leave OC and/or California no other option but to start shutting us down. We could slow this down if people would agree to wear masks.
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I get that we aren’t making an argument, but you point was all the asymptomatic kids that lead into increased needs for hospital beds.

We shut down again, we are just kicking the can down. The road further so when we re-open again we will see another spike, then what, shut down again? We have to face the music at some point.
 
gkmom said:
I agree that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense why some things are open,

I agree that it doesn't make sense why some things are open and others are not.
I would however not compare mask, social distancing, and other mandates during a pandemic to the freedom to vote. I would align it more with seat belt laws, speed limits or vaccination requirements.There's a reason we have certain laws
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Yes, but they need to be fairly applied and rationally based. Masks if required need to apply fairly (you can't like some in Oregon exempt people of color from the requirement) and be rationally based (require indoors and in crowds, not on beaches, exempt the handicapped). Seatbelts are fairly applied and rationally based....everyone uses them, you make special precautions for kids in car seats. Vaccines are the same. When limiting individual freedom, the burden is on the government to show it is fairly applied and rationally based. Here it hasn't been.

The unfortunate reality is the protests broke any possibility at any sort of limiting principle. You can't limit it by outdoors because then youth soccer is o.k. as are large stadiums. You can't limit it by first amendment because then Trump rallies indoors are o.k. You could say o.k. only outdoors and only 1st amendment but that includes worship, funerals, weddings, performance art, and 4th of July celebrations. Businesses like movie theatres will complain because hey if the wedding planner is open why can't we, and I'm sorry, if the movies are open there isn't any rational basis at all for limiting schools and youth sport. So now it just seems like the people with influence (Surf Cup anyone) or who complain the loudest (kids don't vote, parents are well behaved and need to keep their jobs to feed the kids) are the ones that get the breaks.
 
Kicker4Life said:
I get that we aren’t making an argument, but you point was all the asymptomatic kids that lead into increased needs for hospital beds.

We shut down again, we are just kicking the can down. The road further so when we re-open again we will see another spike, then what, shut down again? We have to face the music at some point.
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That wasn't my point. My point was simple....if we keep increasing at the rate we have been increasing we have capacity issues starting in July for ICU and October for overall hospital capacity. Something has to give to deal with capacity issues will continue if the recent rate increases continue. I would love nothing more than for the recent increases to be an anomaly.
 
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