MSK357
GOLD
Hmm..I guess she never took a ball to the face. Must be a great goalie.
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Jose has returned
SILVER ELITE
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That he bought from BYD, a Chinese car company that is also a political donor (also made those problematic electric busses). Funny thing is that he paid well over the going rate at the time (we submitted a bid for $1.55/mask back in March, he paid a lot more).
I get that we aren’t making an argument, but you point was all the asymptomatic kids that lead into increased needs for hospital beds.
We shut down again, we are just kicking the can down. The road further so when we re-open again we will see another spike, then what, shut down again? We have to face the music at some point.
Yes, but they need to be fairly applied and rationally based. Masks if required need to apply fairly (you can't like some in Oregon exempt people of color from the requirement) and be rationally based (require indoors and in crowds, not on beaches, exempt the handicapped). Seatbelts are fairly applied and rationally based....everyone uses them, you make special precautions for kids in car seats. Vaccines are the same. When limiting individual freedom, the burden is on the government to show it is fairly applied and rationally based. Here it hasn't been.
The unfortunate reality is the protests broke any possibility at any sort of limiting principle. You can't limit it by outdoors because then youth soccer is o.k. as are large stadiums. You can't limit it by first amendment because then Trump rallies indoors are o.k. You could say o.k. only outdoors and only 1st amendment but that includes worship, funerals, weddings, performance art, and 4th of July celebrations. Businesses like movie theatres will complain because hey if the wedding planner is open why can't we, and I'm sorry, if the movies are open there isn't any rational basis at all for limiting schools and youth sport. So now it just seems like the people with influence (Surf Cup anyone) or who complain the loudest (kids don't vote, parents are well behaved and need to keep their jobs to feed the kids) are the ones that get the breaks.
As I stated, I submitted a bid for $1.55 per mask, he paid $3.30 per mask. But I’m not a political donor.
I’m not sure if you’re arguing with me or supporting my argument.
Keepermom2
GOLD
That wasn't my point. My point was simple....if we keep increasing at the rate we have been increasing we have capacity issues starting in July for ICU and October for overall hospital capacity. Something has to give to deal with capacity issues will continue if the recent rate increases continue. I would love nothing more than for the recent increases to be an anomaly.
Keepermom2
GOLD
There were some refunds that occurred. Not really arguing. Just pointing to some additional facts. https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Gavin-Newsom-s-1-billion-mask-deal-Company-15325828.php
Messi>CR7
GOLD
You want soccer back to normal? Be pragmatic. Wear you mask, do your share of social distancing, get the positive test rate down to 4% again, then more and more things will open up.
No amount of whining or outrage on this forum will result in anything if the infection rate continues at the current pace.
No amount of whining or outrage on this forum will result in anything if the infection rate continues at the current pace.
Thanks for clarifying. You are assuming that the rate of increase continues to steadily without falling.
That’s kind of my point, he overpaid, hit the contract, when it finally came out BYD had to repeat some of the money. However had he not come forth with the terms of the contract the rebate would’ve never been issued.
Well, we know that's not true because of what happened in San Diego with the phase 1 plan. We'll see if they can pull off surf.
I agree we should wear masks in certain circumstances, and that will help. At this point, most large businesses like the markets will force you to adhere or are soon there. But wearing a mask and avoiding a friend's birthday party isn't going to do anything if they let restaurants, movie theatres, bars and gyms open where you can't wear a mask or it isn't very effective. Nothing we do is going to stop the protests, and we are heading into a bigger headache with the 4th of July because honoring the flag and celebrating America is a first amendment free speech issue too. We don't have any influence on the drivers of the outbreak such as nursing homes, hospitals, meat packing plants, jails.
It might also very well be that the curves are mathematically rigid. The only thing the lockdowns did in areas where there was no outbreak is to push the outbreak back to now. It could be that the virus needs to burn through certain low hanging fruit before it can go into a slow burn mode (like all the countries in Europe, which opened up faster than we did, showed). The starkest evidence for this is SoCal/NorCal, which locked down around the same time and have similar lockdown procedures, but are having very different results. I wrote a while ago La would be in a slow burn through the summer and I think that's what is happening.
Keepermom2
GOLD
Yes. I am hoping the mandate for wearing masks decreases the rate of increase but based on what I have seen, the mandate has had little effect.
It's so surprising how weak minded some people are, afraid to wear a face mask under the guise of "freedom". True snowflakes.
Please remember everyone, kids are amazingly resilient, flexible and smart, unlike a lot of their parents.
SoccerFan4Life
PREMIER
Even if it’s only a 20% reduction when wearing a mask, it’s good enough odds for me. It’s simple, just wear a mask when you go out and take it off in the car and at home. People in Orange County are making a big deal for being obligated to wear a mask. SMH.
You do realize there have been significant hospital layoffs due to low capacity, right?
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Hospital layoffs are due to the fact that people have stopped going to the hospital for band aids, stomach aches, head aches and elective plastic surgery, not as many sports injuries, fewer car accidents (although in the beginning people were racing on freeways and we had an increase in fatalities) and other elective procedures.
Have you looked at the numbers in Georgia as of today?
Keepermom2
GOLD
Hospital layoffs are due to the fact that people have stopped going to the hospital for band aids, stomach aches, head aches and elective plastic surgery, not as many sports injuries, fewer car accidents (although in the beginning people were racing on freeways and we had an increase in fatalities) and other elective procedures.
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That was the information from over a month ago.
Jose has returned
SILVER ELITE
We will be fine.......28,567,355 test given.....2,369,039 positive test 115,531 deaths. those are the national numbers on Politico site.
Ca. population 40 million
The OC 227,962 tests 11,016 positive 299 of the positive died.1/2 of the death are from care facilities. 93% of the other 150 had underlying conditions
Ca. population 40 million
| 5,632 death | 190,222 positive | 3,592,899 test |