How’s the 2023-24 season going?

[VanMan]

To me it sounds like using ths Slammers vs Slammers Koge example players need to be registered to one program or the other. If you're registered to Koge can play on their ECNL ECRL and E64 teams.

Here's where it gets a little murky + would likely get a review from ECNL leadership. Technically Slammers and Slammers Koge could move players between teams mid-season. But there would be an entire paperwork + DOC approval process. This would be like moving a player from Surf to Blues mid-season.

So technically moving players between to two Slammers entities could occur. However in reality it's not something you could do more than once per season.

Yup.

As to why teams choose to roster a limited number of players? Probably just to create exclusivity to annoy parents on lower teams to keep them engaged.

I'd argue going smaller roster probably lessens coach headaches and is better for player development. Bubble players get defaulted to the RL roster where they can actually play meaningful minutes instead of collecting splinters.

 

[RandomSoccerFan]

There is one "Slammers FC" team and one "Slammers FC HB Koge" team.

Got it - all clear. I interpreted the discussion above as if the situation was there were multiple Slammers FC RL teams, feeding to a single Slammers FC NL team. As also stated earlier, if it's just a Slammers Koge RL and a Slammers FC RL, those streams shouldn't cross (channelling ghostbusters) as players are pulled up and back down to/from the corresponding NL teams without officially moving the kids across to the other ECNL program.

 

[Carlsbad7]

I'd argue going smaller roster probably lessens coach headaches and is better for player development. Bubble players get defaulted to the RL roster where they can actually play meaningful minutes instead of collecting splinters.

That doesn't make sense.

Both ECNL and ECRL rostered players can play in either ECRL or ECNL games. The only limitation is that players can only participate in 1 game per day.

Most likely having 13 rostered on the clubs ECNL team + 24 on the ECRL but on game day 5 are brought up from ECRL to play in ECNL games means the club is doing player pools but not telling the parents about it. This would also make the team seem attractive to talent from other teams so they can recruit.

 

[Carlsbad7]

I think they are on the up and up. They have a lot of good talent that were overlooked by other teams. CB from Koge NL, some RL player from Blues, Slammers RL keeper from last year, a blues player from F1 that was offered RL but didn’t make the jump last year and is now on this years OC’s PDP. Top talent that was displaced from Rebels NPL that went to Strikers E64 that helped made them successful, some Liverpool DPL players and a handful kf

Coach Miguel really did his homework over the summer and was seen at every tournament big and small scouring for the next player for this team. I’ve never seen a coach put that much work in to scouting like he did.

I’m not saying they’re going to win the Sonoran, but they’re a completely different team than what was out there last year.

What is more impressive besides the 1-1 tie was that the day before Legends was held scoreless at 0-0 against Slammers where as Pats at least got on the score board. That’s even with one of their main strikers who is still out with a clavicle fracture suffered against the Surf NL match they had when they were leading before she got injured.

Pats also pulled one from City.

Liverpool is an interesting team and doing well in DPL. Hopefully they can stay together and not have talent get picked off by bigger clubs.

 

[TeamDadJokes]

Pats also pulled one from City.

Liverpool is an interesting team and doing well in DPL. Hopefully they can stay together and not have talent get picked off by bigger clubs.

I don’t see Liverpool lasting by the end of the next 2 years if GA doesn’t happen. RH is turning the reins over after the end of this season. Might be hard not having him to keep that group together when you’ve got NL and GA teams practicing to the fields on your immediate left and right at OCGP and the club hasn’t gotten GA by that time (I’m talking by when the girls are U16).

 

[VanMan]

That doesn't make sense.

Both ECNL and ECRL rostered players can play in either ECRL or ECNL games. The only limitation is that players can only participate in 1 game per day.

Most likely having 13 rostered on the clubs ECNL team + 24 on the ECRL but on game day 5 are brought up from ECRL to play in ECNL games means the club is doing player pools but not telling the parents about it. This would also make the team seem attractive to talent from other teams so they can recruit.

Which part doesn't make sense - coach's headaches or player development?

As for it effectively being a player pool, agree.

 

[Lmsa]

Liverpool and Albion top placed teams in each of there bracket play this weekend will be a good match. I think some of those top DPL teams can compete in RL. But I'm new to all this I might be wrong.

 

[SuperSoccerStar]

Concord Fire, FC Stars, Michigan Hawks, PDA Real Colorado, Slammers and SLSG all have 2 ECNL teams per age group.

Sting and PDA both have 3 ECNL teams per age group.

OMG!! My bad. 3!!!!! My lord I was just thinking SoCal though and I just know the one and it was because they got some deal or something to stay/join. Don’t know the real details.

 

[Carlsbad7]

Which part doesn't make sense - coach's headaches or player development?

As for it effectively being a player pool, agree.

I didn't mean anything negative by "doesn't make sense" I'm sure there's a million reasons for any decision made.

 

[MyKidsDriver]

OMG!! My bad. 3!!!!! My lord I was just thinking SoCal though and I just know the one and it was because they got some deal or something to stay/join. Don’t know the real details.

Talked to an old head about this out of bored curiosity and got a lot of intel to share and have y’all fact check. It sounds like that club jumped at the so cal opportunity to form 2 ECNL teams at a time when one so cal flight needed a new team because another dropped. I guess it’s not that uncommon throughout all of the ECNL conferences, but each team/sub club has to be treated like its own separate club for purposes of club awards and player mobility. So if a club has sub clubs with 3 ECNL teams, one player has to remain with one of the three subs but can can move between ECNL and ECRL, and/or between age groups, each game day but players can only play one game a day. Did I get it right?

 

[RandomSoccerFan]

To jump back a few pages, it looks like TopHat 2010G had another iffy weekend, losing to a GA team that barely breaks the top 100. A new feature of SR can help put some of this in perspective, and help provide more data about the schedule strength that teams are dealing with. First, here's what TH 2010G looks like now:



You can see the loss against West Florida, and you can also see that their schedule over the past year is ranked 54th strongest in the country, but still is the 4th strongest schedule of any 2010G team in their state.

Counter that against some of the other top teams like Koge and Surf:



showing the toughest and 2nd toughest schedule in the country. One interesting data point is then looking at the #1 team, MVLA:



They are doing that against the 25th strongest schedule in the country - Norcal ECNL appears to be a much easier league than SoCal ECNL, and the ratings and the results bear that out. (MVLA is averaging over 8 goals a game, they haven't been scored on yet over 5 games)

 

[crush]

you must be an ECNL advocate. I can totally tell. I’m still sticking to my gut decision of pulling her out of this league. Why don’t you bring your DD and have her go against mine 1v1 and then we can talk payaso… I got $1000 bucks on it. BTW I don’t post on this thread anymore but you all keep @ mentioning me. So leave me alone and don’t waste my time. If you got something to prove let’s go or bring me your best 2010… We can film it too. I walk my talk.

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The Official One v One challenge from Luis, I love it

 

[MyKidsDriver]

you must be an ECNL advocate. I can totally tell. I’m still sticking to my gut decision of pulling her out of this league. Why don’t you bring your DD and have her go against mine 1v1 and then we can talk payaso… I got $1000 bucks on it. BTW I don’t post on this thread anymore but you all keep @ mentioning me. So leave me alone and don’t waste my time. If you got something to prove let’s go or bring me your best 2010… We can film it too. I walk my talk.

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Don’t ever leave…. or change

 

[VanMan]

Talked to an old head about this out of bored curiosity and got a lot of intel to share and have y’all fact check. It sounds like that club jumped at the so cal opportunity to form 2 ECNL teams programs at a time when one so cal flight needed a new team because another dropped. I guess it’s not that uncommon throughout all of the ECNL conferences, but each team/sub club program has to be treated like its own separate club for purposes of club awards and player mobility. So if a club has sub clubs with 3 ECNL teams programs, one player has to remain with one of the three subs programs but can can move between ECNL and ECRL, and/or between age groups, each game day but players can only play one game a day. Did I get it right?

Fixed the terminology, but, yeah, that's the gist. The additonal caveats are that if a player moves between programs, it's a one way trip and they can only move two per age group per year between programs.

 

[VanMan]

I didn't mean anything negative by "doesn't make sense" I'm sure there's a million reasons for any decision made.

Didn't take it as negative, just wasn't sure if you were seeking clarification.

 

[crush]

Trolls... Gotta love them. I just wish they would walk their talk and not hide behind pseudonames.

 

[crush]

Coming from a mathematical background. To truly grasp calculus, a strong foundation in algebra is indispensable. Similarly, in soccer development, there are critical steps to follow. By mastering each preceding stage, a player not only hones their skills but also evolves into a more cerebral and strategic player on the field.

In the landscape of girls' soccer clubs, San Diego Surf and MVLA stand out as the gold standard in girls soccer for me. Were we situated nearer to either of these esteemed clubs, they would unquestionably be our top choices for consideration. Soccer development, akin to mastering math, hinges on a robust grasp of the fundamentals. These clubs exemplify that principle to its fullest

I can't argue with that Luis. The San Jose Earthquakes Girls 04 (Old Force Team) team of yesterday was also one of the top possession programs in the country back when my dd was U13. Surf was #1. I think MLVA was called Barcelona if I'm not mistaken and were very good but lacked the athletes to be top team. Today, it's Surf top and MLVA #2 regarding the right way to play.

 

[crush]

Coming from a mathematical background. To truly grasp calculus, a strong foundation in algebra is indispensable. Similarly, in soccer development, there are critical steps to follow. By mastering each preceding stage, a player not only hones their skills but also evolves into a more cerebral and strategic player on the field.

In the landscape of girls' soccer clubs, San Diego Surf and MVLA stand out as the gold standard in girls soccer for me. Were we situated nearer to either of these esteemed clubs, they would unquestionably be our top choices for consideration. Soccer development, akin to mastering math, hinges on a robust grasp of the fundamentals. These clubs exemplify that principle to its fullest

What are the rest of the top teams playing these days?

 

[espola]

Is our primary metric wins or development? In terms of wins... Without naming names, there are clubs out there that put a singular emphasis on securing victories, often at the expense of consistent player development. In such clubs, whether or not a player truly develops hinges on the luck of the draw — specifically, whether they end up with a coach who values growth over glory. When fortunate, players are mentored by someone who understands the importance of nurturing skills and teaching youth soccer the right way. However, in other cases, they might find themselves under the guidance of a coach who prioritizes wins — a strategy often driven by attracting parents for recruiting purposes rather than genuinely benefitting the players. What's frustrating about such clubs is the glaring absence of a clear structure and fundamental strategy dedicated to the steady progression of their players. Instead, it's a game of chance: you get what they offer, for better or for worse.

How do you measure development?

I don't adhere to the cult of one right way to play or to coach players. Just as there are many wrong ways, there are many right ways.

 

[Carlsbad7]

Coming from a mathematical background. To truly grasp calculus, a strong foundation in algebra is indispensable. Similarly, in soccer development, there are critical steps to follow. By mastering each preceding stage, a player not only hones their skills but also evolves into a more cerebral and strategic player on the field.

In the landscape of girls' soccer clubs, San Diego Surf and MVLA stand out as the gold standard in girls soccer for me. Were we situated nearer to either of these esteemed clubs, they would unquestionably be our top choices for consideration. Soccer development, akin to mastering math, hinges on a robust grasp of the fundamentals. These clubs exemplify that principle to its fullest

There's positives and negatives to Surf.

Yes they're very good, yes they're a top posession team, yes they have quality coaches and good fields.

If your kid is top of the pack and super aggressive from ulittle all the way to olders, you're ok dealing with the most ridiculous parent social games, you're ok with Surf constantly recruiting from local and remote teams (because some will actually move to play on Surf) it's the place to be.

It would be interesting to see how many played for Surf and left on a specific team over a ten year span. Not trying to imply anything negative. Surf is what it is + most players and parents know what they're getting into when they join a team.

 

[MacDre]

I can't argue with that Luis. The San Jose Earthquakes Girls 04 (Old Force Team) team of yesterday was also one of the top possession programs in the country back when my dd was U13. Surf was #1. I think MLVA was called Barcelona if I'm not mistaken and were very good but lacked the athletes to be top team. Today, it's Surf top and MLVA #2 regarding the right way to play.

Damn that noise! You sound like a Fan-Boy to me. I got at Deza, Porras, & Montoya and neither had anything.

Please post videos of these players allegedly playing the right way. Why haven’t those players you referenced made it to USWNT and improved their style of play?

I see players from these teams post videos on youtube and invariably it’s kids over-dribbling and playing heroball/kickball.