How’s the 2023-24 season going?

VanMan said:
Simply pointing out that players can't move seemlessly between teams in two separate programs operated by the same club.

Any player registered on any team within a program can play on any age appropriate team within that same program, as long as they only play on one team per day.

Section 2.2.3 of the ECNL Competition Rules touches on multiple program movement, sections 3.14.3 and 3.14.3.1 make it clear that movement between programs is limited.
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Just read through all of that pretty carefully. I believe you may be misinterpreting it to be overly restrictive. Nothing there prevents a player from hopping from a clubs NL team to their RL team to their E64 club multiple times per weekend - let alone per season - as long as it doesn't violate any specific tournament rules about playing in the same age bracket with separate teams. It is just preventing clubs with multiple ECNL teams from swapping players between those ECNL teams without an issue (like Koge/Slammers, or the others TDJ listed above).
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
Just read through all of that pretty carefully. I believe you may be misinterpreting it to be overly restrictive. Nothing there prevents a player from hopping from a clubs NL team to their RL team to their E64 club multiple times per weekend - let alone per season - as long as it doesn't violate any specific tournament rules about playing in the same age bracket with separate teams. It is just preventing clubs with multiple ECNL teams from swapping players between those ECNL teams without an issue (like Koge/Slammers, or the others TDJ listed above).
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NL and RL aren't separate programs, those are separate league competitions as outlined under 2.2.1 and player movement between them is clearly allowed, within play/tie restrictions.
 
VanMan said:
NL and RL aren't separate programs, those are separate league competitions as outlined under 2.2.1 and player movement between them is clearly allowed, within play/tie restrictions.
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Exactly - which is why your initial comment (below) seems off. Slammers can draw from any of those teams, the E64, the NPL, or the multiple RL teams - to play on their NL team - as often or as easily as they'd choose to. It's somewhat strange that they don't, if their top team truly doesn't have enough players on the roster and could benefit by using a club pass.

VanMan said:
If a club runs more than one ECNL program, they can't draw players from outside the program a particular team is registered in.
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Which was in response to:

TeamDadJokes said:
It’s like Slammers NL playing with 13. They’ve got 2 RL teams an E64 and 2 NPL teams they can draw from but they aren’t because of their own reasons. Eagles NL also keeps a small roster too despite having 18 on the RL roster and talent on non RL teams that could slide up.
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VanMan said:
Simply pointing out that players can't move seemlessly between teams in two separate programs operated by the same club.

Any player registered on any team within a program can play on any age appropriate team within that same program, as long as they only play on one team per day.

Section 2.2.3 of the ECNL Competition Rules touches on multiple program movement, sections 3.14.3 and 3.14.3.1 make it clear that movement between programs is limited.
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To me it sounds like using ths Slammers vs Slammers Koge example players need to be registered to one program or the other. If you're registered to Koge can play on their ECNL ECRL and E64 teams.

Here's where it gets a little murky + would likely get a review from ECNL leadership. Technically Slammers and Slammers Koge could move players between teams mid-season. But there would be an entire paperwork + DOC approval process. This would be like moving a player from Surf to Blues mid-season.

So technically moving players between to two Slammers entities could occur. However in reality it's not something you could do more than once per season.

As to why teams choose to roster a limited number of players? Probably just to create exclusivity to annoy parents on lower teams to keep them engaged.
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
Exactly - which is why your initial comment (below) seems off. Slammers can draw from any of those teams, the E64, the NPL, or the multiple RL teams - to play on their NL team - as often or as easily as they'd choose to. It's somewhat strange that they don't, if their top team truly doesn't have enough players on the roster and could benefit by using a club pass.



Which was in response to:
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There was a reason I bolded, italicized and underlined "2 RL teams" and used the specific word "program."

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I suppose I could have been a bit more detailed and expounded a little more in that post...
 
VanMan said:
There was a reason I bolded, italicized and underlined "2 RL teams" and used the specific word "program."

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I suppose I could have been a bit more detailed and expounded a little more in that post...
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And again - it still doesn't compute. Which 2 Slammers FC RL teams do you think cannot pull players up to the Slammers FC NL team? If you're saying that Slammers Koge RL can't pull kids up to Slammers FC NL, and Slammers FC RL can't pull kids up to Slammers Koge NL - we are all in agreement. Is that what you mean? I take TDJ's statements as there are 2 separate Slammers FC RL teams, all within the same Slammers program, that can club pass up to the NL team easily. Are there 2 Slammers FC RL teams or not?
 
TeamDadJokes said:
You’re right. Congrats.

I’ve been noticing. Also very familiar with Pats and who they’ve recruited. They’re on the up and up. Sporting scrimmaged Pats in the summer and it was a competitive match.

But to my point, these teams are still mid to low tier in the Southwest. When someone comes out saying “excuses”, well 5 of your starters being out is more of an explanation not a reason to go pounding your chest saying you’re a better team and try to troll on here.
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Good point. Pats tied Slammers 1-1.
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
And again - it still doesn't compute. Which 2 Slammers FC RL teams do you think cannot pull players up to the Slammers FC NL team? If you're saying that Slammers Koge RL can't pull kids up to Slammers FC NL, and Slammers FC RL can't pull kids up to Slammers Koge NL - we are all in agreement. Is that what you mean? I take TDJ's statements as there are 2 separate Slammers FC RL teams, all within the same Slammers program, that can club pass up to the NL team easily. Are there 2 Slammers FC RL teams or not?
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There is one "Slammers FC" team and one "Slammers FC HB Koge" team.
 
4kidssake said:
Pats vs Slammers 1-1. Are Pats really up and coming ? Or is Mojave division on a down year? Surf putting the hammer on Sharks 12-1 ouch
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I think they are on the up and up. They have a lot of good talent that were overlooked by other teams. CB from Koge NL, some RL player from Blues, Slammers RL keeper from last year, a blues player from F1 that was offered RL but didn’t make the jump last year and is now on this years OC’s PDP. Top talent that was displaced from Rebels NPL that went to Strikers E64 that helped made them successful, some Liverpool DPL players and a handful kf

Coach Miguel really did his homework over the summer and was seen at every tournament big and small scouring for the next player for this team. I’ve never seen a coach put that much work in to scouting like he did.

I’m not saying they’re going to win the Sonoran, but they’re a completely different team than what was out there last year.

What is more impressive besides the 1-1 tie was that the day before Legends was held scoreless at 0-0 against Slammers where as Pats at least got on the score board. That’s even with one of their main strikers who is still out with a clavicle fracture suffered against the Surf NL match they had when they were leading before she got injured.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
To me it sounds like using ths Slammers vs Slammers Koge example players need to be registered to one program or the other. If you're registered to Koge can play on their ECNL ECRL and E64 teams.

Here's where it gets a little murky + would likely get a review from ECNL leadership. Technically Slammers and Slammers Koge could move players between teams mid-season. But there would be an entire paperwork + DOC approval process. This would be like moving a player from Surf to Blues mid-season.

So technically moving players between to two Slammers entities could occur. However in reality it's not something you could do more than once per season.
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Yup.

Carlsbad7 said:
As to why teams choose to roster a limited number of players? Probably just to create exclusivity to annoy parents on lower teams to keep them engaged.
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I'd argue going smaller roster probably lessens coach headaches and is better for player development. Bubble players get defaulted to the RL roster where they can actually play meaningful minutes instead of collecting splinters.
 
VanMan said:
There is one "Slammers FC" team and one "Slammers FC HB Koge" team.
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Got it - all clear. I interpreted the discussion above as if the situation was there were multiple Slammers FC RL teams, feeding to a single Slammers FC NL team. As also stated earlier, if it's just a Slammers Koge RL and a Slammers FC RL, those streams shouldn't cross (channelling ghostbusters) as players are pulled up and back down to/from the corresponding NL teams without officially moving the kids across to the other ECNL program.
 
VanMan said:
I'd argue going smaller roster probably lessens coach headaches and is better for player development. Bubble players get defaulted to the RL roster where they can actually play meaningful minutes instead of collecting splinters.
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That doesn't make sense.

Both ECNL and ECRL rostered players can play in either ECRL or ECNL games. The only limitation is that players can only participate in 1 game per day.

Most likely having 13 rostered on the clubs ECNL team + 24 on the ECRL but on game day 5 are brought up from ECRL to play in ECNL games means the club is doing player pools but not telling the parents about it. This would also make the team seem attractive to talent from other teams so they can recruit.
 
TeamDadJokes said:
I think they are on the up and up. They have a lot of good talent that were overlooked by other teams. CB from Koge NL, some RL player from Blues, Slammers RL keeper from last year, a blues player from F1 that was offered RL but didn’t make the jump last year and is now on this years OC’s PDP. Top talent that was displaced from Rebels NPL that went to Strikers E64 that helped made them successful, some Liverpool DPL players and a handful kf

Coach Miguel really did his homework over the summer and was seen at every tournament big and small scouring for the next player for this team. I’ve never seen a coach put that much work in to scouting like he did.

I’m not saying they’re going to win the Sonoran, but they’re a completely different team than what was out there last year.

What is more impressive besides the 1-1 tie was that the day before Legends was held scoreless at 0-0 against Slammers where as Pats at least got on the score board. That’s even with one of their main strikers who is still out with a clavicle fracture suffered against the Surf NL match they had when they were leading before she got injured.
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Pats also pulled one from City.

Liverpool is an interesting team and doing well in DPL. Hopefully they can stay together and not have talent get picked off by bigger clubs.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
Pats also pulled one from City.

Liverpool is an interesting team and doing well in DPL. Hopefully they can stay together and not have talent get picked off by bigger clubs.
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I don’t see Liverpool lasting by the end of the next 2 years if GA doesn’t happen. RH is turning the reins over after the end of this season. Might be hard not having him to keep that group together when you’ve got NL and GA teams practicing to the fields on your immediate left and right at OCGP and the club hasn’t gotten GA by that time (I’m talking by when the girls are U16).
 
Carlsbad7 said:
That doesn't make sense.

Both ECNL and ECRL rostered players can play in either ECRL or ECNL games. The only limitation is that players can only participate in 1 game per day.

Most likely having 13 rostered on the clubs ECNL team + 24 on the ECRL but on game day 5 are brought up from ECRL to play in ECNL games means the club is doing player pools but not telling the parents about it. This would also make the team seem attractive to talent from other teams so they can recruit.
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Which part doesn't make sense - coach's headaches or player development?

As for it effectively being a player pool, agree.
 
Liverpool and Albion top placed teams in each of there bracket play this weekend will be a good match. I think some of those top DPL teams can compete in RL. But I'm new to all this I might be wrong.
 
TeamDadJokes said:
Concord Fire, FC Stars, Michigan Hawks, PDA Real Colorado, Slammers and SLSG all have 2 ECNL teams per age group.

Sting and PDA both have 3 ECNL teams per age group.
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OMG!! My bad. 3!!!!! My lord I was just thinking SoCal though and I just know the one and it was because they got some deal or something to stay/join. Don’t know the real details.
 
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