Bad News Thread

[Glitterhater]

Fauci means well, but is in way over his head. His answers are easily influenced by whoever is interviewing him or the loaded questions they ask him. He is easily steered to a point of view. He is far from a public health policy leader which requires you to not only look at the issue at hand but also the ramifications of each decision (or interview you give) you make to address the issue.

I posted this at the beginning of the pandemic about how we need to be careful about relying on experts for projections.

Why Experts are Almost Always Wrong

No one, not even the experts, really knows what's about to happen

www.smithsonianmag.com

Doesn't matter if the projection is negative or positive. At one point the IHME had reduced their projection as low as around 60,000-80,000 deaths (I don't remember the exact number). I don't care how smart you are, no one can predict the future with any degree of certainty.

Projecting what the virus will do is also not a math problem. The virus doesn't follow a predictable path.

Experts are great for telling us what happened, but they're effectively worthless at telling us what will happen.

This is exactly what I was saying on another thread this morning. I do think he means well- but he's at the point now where he should just stick to what he knows and let someone else do the media stuff.

I do think now that interviewers know this- and have no problems trying to put him in the hot seat. The man is 80, I'm sure he did not expect to be in this position at this juncture!

 

[Grace T.]

Fauci means well, but is in way over his head. His answers are easily influenced by whoever is interviewing him or the loaded questions they ask him. He is easily steered to a point of view. He is far from a public health policy leader which requires you to not only look at the issue at hand but also the ramifications of each decision (or interview you give) you make to address the issue.

I posted this at the beginning of the pandemic about how we need to be careful about relying on experts for projections.

Why Experts are Almost Always Wrong

No one, not even the experts, really knows what's about to happen

www.smithsonianmag.com

Doesn't matter if the projection is negative or positive. At one point the IHME had reduced their projection as low as around 60,000-80,000 deaths (I don't remember the exact number). I don't care how smart you are, no one can predict the future with any degree of certainty.

Projecting what the virus will do is also not a math problem. The virus doesn't follow a predictable path.

Experts are great for telling us what happened, but they're effectively worthless at telling us what will happen.

I think the “Faucis is well intentioned but has been duped” theory made arguable sense up to the cdc recommendations. But to hold up now you’d have to believe he doesn’t understand what the practical effect of the advice is: the closure of a supermajority of sports and schools which are currently open. Right now he’s selling a school closures plan as a “school reopening” plan. That’s real 1984 ministry of truth stuff so to believe that you’d have to believe he just doesn’t understand the plan. I suppose it’s possible but if he’s really that far gone it’s incumbent on him to retire. If true it’s an even worse look for the Biden admin because you’d be essentially saying they are using him for their own political ends and he doesn’t understand that.

 

[Desert Hound]

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[watfly]

If true it’s an even worse look for the Biden admin because you’d be essentially saying they are using him for their own political ends and he doesn’t understand that.

I have no doubt about that. Dems know people trust him and they know he is clay and can be molded. Reopening schools is not really his concern per se so he will be deferential on that issue. He'd much rather talk about the virus, mutations and vaccines. Hes very niave in terms of politics but he does seem to relish being an epidemiological rock star despite his aw shucks persona.

 

[met61]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1361515971861569540

 

[Desert Hound]

This is why blue states have been severely lagging in terms of opening schools. Instead of listening to the science, they are beholden to their unions. And here the CDC wants to take that marvelous system nationwide.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) admitted during a press conference that it based its new school guidelines on science, but also input from teachers and stakeholders.

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We need to put the foot down on the first idea above. We DEFINITELY need to say no to this thought process that seems to be common.


One last unbelievable note from this press conf: @CDCDirector said that even after everyone is vaccinated, CDC still might not recommend school open normally

According to her, even then, we might need "some combination of mitigation strategies."

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CDC Admits It Based School Guidelines on Teacher Input and Stakeholders

Stakeholders. In other words, lobbying groups. Lobbying groups over parents and students.

legalinsurrection.com

 

[espola]

The top of the forums list. You really do need those glasses (or you've been banned). Either way it's funny. Someof the info is on this thread 2 if you look back far enough.

Frustrated at not finding the thread, I gave up looking for it. Then later, while noodling around in the forum absentmindedly while watching something on TV, the thread title showed up on the Forums page. There it was as the latest update in the SoCalScene grouping. I clicked into SoCalScene and noodled around for a while and left a reaction to a post I hadn't seen before.

This morning it has disappeared again, at least by that route. In its place on the Forums page is Camera equipment recommendations and no mention of the thread title in the SoCal Scene page. However, I was able to back into it because of the reaction I left. So I left a "cookie crumb", and the thread CA youth sports is visible on the Forums page again in the SoCalScene group, but not on the SoCalScene page itself.

 

[MicPaPa]

This is why blue states have been severely lagging in terms of opening schools.

Actually, this is why...(D)'s electing morons like Mayor de Blasio and normal folks suffer the consequences...this is an actual PSA put out by this fool, unreal!

Let's face it, the left are complete lunatics and control the (D) party...they'll do more damage to the country than the pandemic alone ever could.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1361682306348560385

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[kickingandscreaming]

This is why blue states have been severely lagging in terms of opening schools. Instead of listening to the science, they are beholden to their unions. And here the CDC wants to take that marvelous system nationwide.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) admitted during a press conference that it based its new school guidelines on science, but also input from teachers and stakeholders.

-

We need to put the foot down on the first idea above. We DEFINITELY need to say no to this thought process that seems to be common.


One last unbelievable note from this press conf: @CDCDirector said that even after everyone is vaccinated, CDC still might not recommend school open normally

According to her, even then, we might need "some combination of mitigation strategies."

-

CDC Admits It Based School Guidelines on Teacher Input and Stakeholders

Stakeholders. In other words, lobbying groups. Lobbying groups over parents and students.

legalinsurrection.com

Weird times. The divide between viewpoints is daunting. I hate to think what happens if they try to force this on to states like Florida or Texas. My guess is they'll enforce it with the same zeal as immigration policy and it won't mean a thing to states that ignore it.

Public education in CA will take another hit from this in terms of enrollment if this goes through and children aren't back in classes next fall. Public education, in general, will/has already lose enrollment to private schools that have more child-friendly policies and to families who find that home-schooling works well for their children. I don't believe it will be massive, maybe a few percent, but I'd expect cuts to be made next year in CA even if public schools open. If they don't open CA schools to children this fall, don't expect the U-Haul prices to come down anytime soon if you are trying to leave.

 

[watfly]

This is why blue states have been severely lagging in terms of opening schools. Instead of listening to the science, they are beholden to their unions. And here the CDC wants to take that marvelous system nationwide.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) admitted during a press conference that it based its new school guidelines on science, but also input from teachers and stakeholders.

-

We need to put the foot down on the first idea above. We DEFINITELY need to say no to this thought process that seems to be common.


One last unbelievable note from this press conf: @CDCDirector said that even after everyone is vaccinated, CDC still might not recommend school open normally

According to her, even then, we might need "some combination of mitigation strategies."

-

CDC Admits It Based School Guidelines on Teacher Input and Stakeholders

Stakeholders. In other words, lobbying groups. Lobbying groups over parents and students.

legalinsurrection.com

You know its one thing for our family to be frustrated by kids not being back in school, but how about a single parent that works as a grocery clerk. They must be livid that they can be exposed to hundreds of random adults everyday and they are safe, but teachers can't be exposed to 25 kids every day because some teachers' unions and some politicians fraudulently claim it isn't safe yet.

 

[Desert Hound]

You know its one thing for our family to be frustrated by kids not being back in school, but how about a single parent that works as a grocery clerk. They must be livid that they can be exposed to hundreds of random adults everyday and they are safe, but teachers can't be exposed to 25 kids every day because some teachers' unions and some politicians fraudulently claim it isn't safe yet.

I would be going through the roof.

 

[crush]

Frustrated at not finding the thread, I gave up looking for it. Then later, while noodling around in the forum absentmindedly while watching something on TV, the thread title showed up on the Forums page. There it was as the latest update in the SoCalScene grouping. I clicked into SoCalScene and noodled around for a while and left a reaction to a post I hadn't seen before.

This morning it has disappeared again, at least by that route. In its place on the Forums page is Camera equipment recommendations and no mention of the thread title in the SoCal Scene page. However, I was able to back into it because of the reaction I left. So I left a "cookie crumb", and the thread CA youth sports is visible on the Forums page again in the SoCalScene group, but not on the SoCalScene page itself.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Actually, this is why...(D)'s electing morons like Mayor de Blasio and normal folks suffer the consequences...this is an actual PSA put out by this fool, unreal!

Let's face it, the left are complete lunatics and control the (D) party...they'll do more damage to the country than the pandemic alone ever could.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1361682306348560385

"

Don’t know you from Adam but your “all” this and “all” that talk indicates a strictly partisan yahoo. Why do you hate America so much?

 

[Hüsker Dü]

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He really does have tiny hands! I thought that was just a sophomoric jab, but it’s true! Lol !

 

[happy9]

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Ha - literally just had this conversation with a CA transplant in Austin.

 

[happy9]

This is why blue states have been severely lagging in terms of opening schools. Instead of listening to the science, they are beholden to their unions. And here the CDC wants to take that marvelous system nationwide.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) admitted during a press conference that it based its new school guidelines on science, but also input from teachers and stakeholders.

-

We need to put the foot down on the first idea above. We DEFINITELY need to say no to this thought process that seems to be common.


One last unbelievable note from this press conf: @CDCDirector said that even after everyone is vaccinated, CDC still might not recommend school open normally

According to her, even then, we might need "some combination of mitigation strategies."

-

CDC Admits It Based School Guidelines on Teacher Input and Stakeholders

Stakeholders. In other words, lobbying groups. Lobbying groups over parents and students.

legalinsurrection.com

Interested in who they classify as stakeholder. What a shameful group of people.

 

[crush]

He really does have tiny hands! I thought that was just a sophomoric jab, but it’s true! Lol !

I didnt even think about that but it's freaking true. Close up shot to boot This guy is a one tough son of a bitch though....lol!

 

[crush]

Ha - literally just had this conversation with a CA transplant in Austin.

I would have been killed already if I went with my gut and moved to Texas in April 2020. You see, I still had high hopes that one day my little player would be noticed by the scouts. I wanted to prove them all wrong and I felt if we all moved to Texas, we could carry on that mission. Giesbock was calling us wimps for not going to the Ice Bowl Showcase in Houston

 

[Grace T.]

So my LA County kid was disappointed. They got the word today that because elementary schools are returning, we can use our intervention waivers (for the kids most at need) for 6 & 7 to return in the next couple weeks. But because of the California cohort and distance requirements, probably only their math class would be live and almost everything else would have to be zoom because they run on a block schedule. So he'll be sitting in a spaced out classroom (maybe at the high school), on zoom all day, have to be distanced at lunch, have to get himself up out of bed and haul himself there and back, get a weekly COVID test and have to wear the stupid mask all for the privilege of sitting in a classroom without a teacher. He said no thanks (at least until soccer starts up and then only if they are allowed to scrimmage). The only other option for the school would be to rejigger everyone's schedule based on their math levels (there are 4) so the teachers would all have to switch but they'd have to get rid of all the electives including languages (which they don't want to do).

 

[Grace T.]

So my LA County kid was disappointed. They got the word today that because elementary schools are returning, we can use our intervention waivers (for the kids most at need) for 6 & 7 to return in the next couple weeks. But because of the California cohort and distance requirements, probably only their math class would be live and almost everything else would have to be zoom because they run on a block schedule. So he'll be sitting in a spaced out classroom (maybe at the high school), on zoom all day, have to be distanced at lunch, have to get himself up out of bed and haul himself there and back, get a weekly COVID test and have to wear the stupid mask all for the privilege of sitting in a classroom without a teacher. He said no thanks (at least until soccer starts up and then only if they are allowed to scrimmage). The only other option for the school would be to rejigger everyone's schedule based on their math levels (there are 4) so the teachers would all have to switch but they'd have to get rid of all the electives including languages (which they don't want to do).

p.s. I don't see how this changes next year unless the rules are radically changed. I remember when I told you all what the school's plans were for reopening way back in September (before our dear gov nixed it) and you all compared it to a prison.

 

[Desert Hound]

p.s. I don't see how this changes next year unless the rules are radically changed. I remember when I told you all what the school's plans were for reopening way back in September (before our dear gov nixed it) and you all compared it to a prison.

"House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s office pointed out on Tuesday that nearly all of the $128.6 billion for schools won’t be distributed until after October and over the next few years. His office said 95% would come after fiscal 2022 begins in October."

Democrats would delay school COVID-19 spending, threatening reopening - Washington Examiner

Despite school opening demands from allies of President Biden, including Dr. Anthony Fauci, the Democratic coronavirus spending plan would delay the bulk of education spending until next year and later, potentially threatening school reopening until 2023, according to a GOP analysis.With the...

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