Bad News Thread

Grace T. said:
They really do want to lock us down for ever. Talking now no return to normal until next winter

www.thedailybeast.com

Biden Team Fears: No COVID Herd Immunity Until Thanksgiving

Dr. Fauci is still “cautiously optimistic” that life can return to normal by the beginning of the fall. But others worry that we may not get there until the early winter.
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Florida begs to differ - so does Texas for the most part. CO governor already used the term "normal" for May-July time frame. A few weeks ago, CO was the 4th most restrictive state. CA leaders are well-practiced at virtue signaling. The only thing they may continue to do is threatening entities that have licenses in the County/City and side with the teacher's unions. Unless one of these variants puts cases through the roof again, that's all they'll have left soon.
 
Throw back Thursday​

Here's some off topic stuff to chat about. I know some on here think I just keep repeating myself. Yes, many of you dads think I come on here to bring attention to myself and all my failures as an athlete and not making it pro in anything, so I live through my dd. Your perception is wrong, just so you know. I will say I'm a pro husband and a pro dad. Not perfect but learning everyday to be better. That's the only thing I'm trying to be a professional in. This little girl was just trying to be the best soccer player she could be. It was the bad apples in the soccer tree that caused much pain. She's just a girl who wants to play soccer, dont forget that, ever please. Some Docs were bad apples and I mean real bad. Worms and magets inside what looked so shinny on the outside. Dont mess around with girls and their dreams guys. Learn your lessons and dont repeat the same mistake again.

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While this thing jumps to a bunch of unsupported conclusions, it is a decent summary of the arguments against universal mask usage, the assumptions of asymptomatic transmission, and the way we got school closures.

www.aier.org

Masking: A Careful Review of the Evidence | The Daily Economy

"The predominant conclusion is that face masks have a very important role in places such as hospitals, but there exists very little evidence of widespr ...
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Grace T. said:
While this thing jumps to a bunch of unsupported conclusions, it is a decent summary of the arguments against universal mask usage, the assumptions of asymptomatic transmission, and the way we got school closures.

www.aier.org

Masking: A Careful Review of the Evidence | The Daily Economy

"The predominant conclusion is that face masks have a very important role in places such as hospitals, but there exists very little evidence of widespr ...
www.aier.org www.aier.org
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Paul Alexander is the doctor who, while working for the t HHS, advocated getting as many people infected as possible as quickly as possible. The survivors would then have, by definition, "herd immunity".
 
The new Biden admin school guidance is being release later today. It basically adopts California’s tier system for school reopening a though it’s unclear yet how sensitive they are (see article I posted in Biden thread). It’s basically a cave to the teachers union and reverses the position previously that schools are safe to reopen. In the highest tiers schools can only reopen if they are testing students and staff regularly. They build in equity concerns which have been used in la county to ding private and charters that have wanted to test regularly. It preserves the 6ft requirement which means for public schools full time is a challenge. Teacher vaccination not a requirement but states told to vaccinate teachers as a priority and these restrictions to continue even if teachers fully vaccinated. Masks on students pretty much forever. For us here the worse thing is an express requirement to prioritize school before extracurricular activities and sports. This is just really awful anti science stuff here.
 
Damn, looks like those QAnon folks have infiltrated the NYTimes ;)

Covid testing as exercise​
In a public health emergency, absolutism is a very tempting response: People should cease all behavior that creates additional risk.​
That instinct led to calls for gay men to stop having sex during the AIDS crisis. It has also spurred campaigns for teen abstinence, to reduce sexually transmitted diseases and pregnancies. And to fight obesity, people have been drawn to fads like the elimination of trans fats or carbohydrates.​
These days, there is a new absolutist health fad: the discouragement — or even prohibition — of any behavior that seems to increase the risk of coronavirus infection, even minutely.​
People continue to scream at joggers, walkers and cyclists who are not wearing masks. The University of California, Berkeley, this week banned outdoor exercise, masked or not, saying, “The risk is real.” The University of Massachusetts Amherst has banned outdoor walks. It encouraged students to get exercise by “accessing food and participating in twice-weekly Covid testing.”​
A related trend is “hygiene theater,” as Derek Thompson of The Atlantic described it: The New York City subway system closes every night, for example, so that workers can perform a deep cleaning.​
There are two big questions to ask about these actions: How much are they doing to reduce the spread of the virus? And do they have any downside?​
No documented cases​
The answer to the first question, according to many experts, is: They seem to do little good. Prohibiting outdoor activity is unlikely to reduce the spread of the virus, nor is urging people always to wear a mask outdoors.​
Worldwide, scientists have not documented any instances of outdoor transmission unless people were in close conversation, Dr. Muge Cevik, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland, told me. “The small number of cases where outdoor transmission might have occurred,” she wrote on Twitter, “were associated with close interactions, particularly extended duration, or settings where people mixed indoors alongside an outdoor setting.” The new variants of the virus are more contagious, but there is no evidence to suggest they will change this pattern.
As my colleague Tara Parker-Pope puts it, “Avoid breathing the air that other people exhale.”​
A student walking across campus — let alone a masked student — presents little risk to another student who remains at least six feet away. The same goes for joggers in your neighborhood.​
The story is similar for deep cleaning. “Scientists increasingly say that there is little to no evidence that contaminated surfaces can spread the virus,” my colleagues Mike Ives and Apoorva Mandavilli have written. The one surface that is important to wash, frequently and vigorously, is the human hand.​
Which brings us to the second question — whether there is any downside to absolutism. Covid-19 is a horrible disease. And the notion that a jogger somewhere might infect somebody she passes, even from more than six feet away, is scientifically plausible.​
So why not take every possible precaution at all times?​
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A gym in Los Angeles, where up to 10 people at a time can exercise outdoors while wearing masks.Kendrick Brinson for The New York Times​
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Unintended consequences​
The short answer is: because we are human.​
Taking every possible precaution is unrealistic, just as telling all gay men and teenagers to abstain from sex was unrealistic. Human beings are social creatures who crave connection and pleasure and who cannot minimize danger at all times.​
Despite the risks, we eat carbs, drink wine, go sledding and even ride in automobiles. We enjoy taking outdoor walks and drinking a cup of coffee on a public bench. Many people who exercise find it difficult to do so in a mask. “It feels a bit like suffocating,” Shannon Palus wrote in Slate.​
I’ve noticed that some of the clearest voices against Covid absolutism are researchers who have spent much of their careers studying HIV, including Cevik, Julia Marcus, Sarit Golub and Aaron Richterman. They know the history. The demonization of sex during the AIDS crisis contributed to more unsafe sex. If all sex is bad, why focus on safe sex?​
There is a similar dynamic with Covid. “People do not have unlimited energy, so we should ask them to be vigilant where it matters most,” Cevik has written.​
Telling Americans to wear masks when they’re unnecessary undermines efforts to persuade more people to wear masks where they are vital. Remember: Americans are not doing a particularly good job of wearing masks when they make a big difference, indoors and when people are close together outdoors.​
Banning college students from outdoor walks won’t make them stay inside their dorm rooms for weeks on end. But it probably will increase the chances that they surreptitiously gather indoors.​
And spending money on deep cleaning leaves less money for safety measures that will protect people, like faster vaccination.​
“Rules that are really more about showing that you’re doing something versus doing something that’s actually effective” are counterproductive, Marcus told my colleague Ian Prasad Philbrick. “Trust is the currency of public health.”​
 
crush said:
Throw back Thursday​

Here's some off topic stuff to chat about. I know some on here think I just keep repeating myself. Yes, many of you dads think I come on here to bring attention to myself and all my failures as an athlete and not making it pro in anything, so I live through my dd. Your perception is wrong, just so you know. I will say I'm a pro husband and a pro dad. Not perfect but learning everyday to be better. That's the only thing I'm trying to be a professional in. This little girl was just trying to be the best soccer player she could be. It was the bad apples in the soccer tree that caused much pain. She's just a girl who wants to play soccer, dont forget that, ever please. Some Docs were bad apples and I mean real bad. Worms and magets inside what looked so shinny on the outside. Dont mess around with girls and their dreams guys. Learn your lessons and dont repeat the same mistake again.

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I just hope she's ok with you posting her photo on here.
 
Grace T. said:
The new Biden admin school guidance is being release later today. It basically adopts California’s tier system for school reopening a though it’s unclear yet how sensitive they are (see article I posted in Biden thread). It’s basically a cave to the teachers union and reverses the position previously that schools are safe to reopen. In the highest tiers schools can only reopen if they are testing students and staff regularly. They build in equity concerns which have been used in la county to ding private and charters that have wanted to test regularly. It preserves the 6ft requirement which means for public schools full time is a challenge. Teacher vaccination not a requirement but states told to vaccinate teachers as a priority and these restrictions to continue even if teachers fully vaccinated. Masks on students pretty much forever. For us here the worse thing is an express requirement to prioritize school before extracurricular activities and sports. This is just really awful anti science stuff here.
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I can really see my county (and school board,) ignoring this if it means they have to go back to virtual or stay hybrid much longer.
 
Glitterhater said:
I can really see my county (and school board,) ignoring this if it means they have to go back to virtual or stay hybrid much longer.
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That’s the 100m dollar question. Increasingly the federal guidance seems to be saying no return to normal for years. The current systems are tied to cases which will still surge every now and then for years the come. When do people say enough and start to ignore it.
 
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Funny how they show that now. After months and months of "worrying" about children, etc in their various "news" reports.

From the CDC as of today.

137 kids14 and under have died so far due to covid. Read that number again. That constitutes 0.000309 of all deaths.

763 people under 24 have died so far due to covid. Why exactly have schools and universities been shut? That constitutes 0.00172 of all deaths.

These numbers percentage wise haven't changed. We knew these numbers within a couple of months after the start of our covid adventure.

Follow the science. The science shows who is not at risk.

And yet various governors and a variety of teachers unions and other politicians are "devising" tiers which in theory indicate when it MAY be safe to go back to school OR play sports.

At some point people need to stand up and say screw this, and demand changes back to normal.
 
Grace T. said:
That’s the 100m dollar question. Increasingly the federal guidance seems to be saying no return to normal for years. The current systems are tied to cases which will still surge every now and then for years the come. When do people say enough and start to ignore it.
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I feel badly complaining because I know some of you still have kids fully remote. But- I hate my oldest child's schedule. 5 days on campus but in an am/pm model so they can keep distance still. But it's so disruptive to the work day when dismissal times are like 3 hours after drop off. If we had to stay distanced, the 3 full days, (she used to have,) was easier!

Our board has said full stop- no more hybrid variant come April no matter wth is going on with covid. So, that's why I think that if these guidelines screw with that they are basically going to say fk it and press on with a full return to all kids on campus.
 
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