Bad News Thread

Grace T. said:
The reason he’s wrong is that so many people missed the seasonal impact of the thing. The variant only tells you how much wind is blowing to push the fire (a lot). It doesn’t tell you how much fuel is there or what will set it off. That’s why dad in his model when he did the math left off the seasonal impact. If it follows the same pattern as other respiratory viruses (as well as last spring) we should see a rise in late March-June but a. We are taking away a lot of the high risk fuel with the vaccinations and b. It’s not going to be anywhere near as bad as winter due to the vaccinations, seasonality and other burnt fuel.
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Not to be contrarian, but there is a case to be made for continued vigilance even as the case load declines, seasonally, and the vaccination rollout continues to drives down the negative impact of the virus.

The fewer active cases, the less the opportunity for mutations of the virus to evade the vaccination efforts.
 
N00B said:
Not to be contrarian, but there is a case to be made for continued vigilance even as the case load declines, seasonally, and the vaccination rollout continues to drives down the negative impact of the virus.

The fewer active cases, the less the opportunity for mutations of the virus to evade the vaccination efforts.
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Would agree but the third world is shapping up to be a s show when it comes vaccinations (Europe can’t even get right). And we don’t have and won’t any time soon a vaccine for the under 12. We also know some western vaccines (like the az and j&j) and maybe the Russian and Chinese vaccines don’t work as well as the mRNA ones. That’s a whole ton of space for mutations. It might even encourage mutations as life finds a way to survive.
 
This confirms what we've suspected that you can get sick after getting even an mRNA vaccine. The next relevant question is whether you are capable of infecting others (and by how much) to determine how big of a problem with cases after everyone is offered the vaccine. If we just care about serious illness and death this is good news but neither California's standards of the Biden CDC school/sports guidelines (which are focused on cases) care about that.

www.nbcnews.com

Four people in Oregon who received both doses of vaccine test positive for coronavirus

There are two cases each in Yamhill and Lane counties, the state's Health Authority said.
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Grace T. said:
That’s funny
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However, Fauci on Sunday appeared to be optimistic about reopening schools, a move that he has been supportive of throughout the pandemic, arguing the detriment to young students was too great.

"I think it can be done. I mean, obviously it's not a perfect situation, but it's really important to get the children back to school in a safest way as possible. Safe for the children, but also safe for the teachers and the other educators," Fauci said.
 
espola said:
However, Fauci on Sunday appeared to be optimistic about reopening schools, a move that he has been supportive of throughout the pandemic, arguing the detriment to young students was too great.

"I think it can be done. I mean, obviously it's not a perfect situation, but it's really important to get the children back to school in a safest way as possible. Safe for the children, but also safe for the teachers and the other educators," Fauci said.
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Do you have a fav bro?

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espola said:
However, Fauci on Sunday appeared to be optimistic about reopening schools, a move that he has been supportive of throughout the pandemic, arguing the detriment to young students was too great.

"I think it can be done. I mean, obviously it's not a perfect situation, but it's really important to get the children back to school in a safest way as possible. Safe for the children, but also safe for the teachers and the other educators," Fauci said.
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You really magooed it this time. There’s an entire thread that shows (complete with citations and where dad4 even breaks it down) why the cdc recommendations are even slightly more restrictive than California’s. It’s not a school reopening plan....it would currently at this time require the overwhelming closure of schools and sports already in session. You are really asleep at the wheel on this one and all this discussion just went over your head, and now on top of the new guidance he says we need the stimulus bill. The mans a joke, and if you take that statement at its word, you are either a fool or a fellow liar.
 
Chelsea dad g09 said:
Does anyone here think schools in CA will open to 5 day/full time once teachers get vaccinated?
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Three variables we don’t know: 1. Does newsom back away from California’s table for education or does he double down and accept the new cdc guidelines...that’s a political question based in part of the recall and teachers union, 2. Do we get a new spring wave, and 3. Does the j&j vaccine get approved and will the under 65 take it.
 
Grace T. said:
This guy has become an absolute and complete joke

thehill.com

Fauci: Stimulus bill needs to be passed for schools to reopen

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s leading infectious disease expert, said on Sunday that a stimulus bill needed to be passed in order for schools to safely reopen.While appearing on ABC’s “This …
thehill.com
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What I don't understand is why he is talking like school has been closed all over the country. There are large population swaths that have been back in school since August and so far and there is no data that shows it has been dangerous. These locations didn't need additional resources to open. Maybe their budgets took a bit of a hit with hand sanitizer and plastic shield costs, but none were dependent on a mass funding bill to get schools back open.
 
Grace T. said:
You really magooed it this time. There’s an entire thread that shows (complete with citations and where dad4 even breaks it down) why the cdc recommendations are even slightly more restrictive than California’s. It’s not a school reopening plan....it would currently at this time require the overwhelming closure of schools and sports already in session. You are really asleep at the wheel on this one and all this discussion just went over your head, and now on top of the new guidance he says we need the stimulus bill. The mans a joke, and if you take that statement at its word, you are either a fool or a fellow liar.
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Great insight Grace. Time to make your closing argument soon. You and I have been here a long time sister. You know crush deeply, he has shared his good, bad and ugly. I poured my soul to all to read about. Some say I like attention. I agree, I love it. I also loved being a kid and the fact is, I never stopped being one because it's so fun. Their are some sick and selfish assholes on here and other walks of life who think this is so funny and one big game of chess, so they can have power, control and all the gold. They lost all the gold and now mad!!! The kids were being used as pawns by jerks. It's almost over. They will have their day when they meet Mr Justice. Dont mess with kids!!!
 
Grace T. said:
You really magooed it this time. There’s an entire thread that shows (complete with citations and where dad4 even breaks it down) why the cdc recommendations are even slightly more restrictive than California’s. It’s not a school reopening plan....it would currently at this time require the overwhelming closure of schools and sports already in session. You are really asleep at the wheel on this one and all this discussion just went over your head, and now on top of the new guidance he says we need the stimulus bill. The mans a joke, and if you take that statement at its word, you are either a fool or a fellow liar.
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What brought that on?
 
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