Bad News Thread

Grace T. said:
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Below you linked an article and a tweet critical of CDC, authored by nationally recognized medical non-experts Ben Shapiro and Guy Benson. Fauci doesn't work for CDC - he's director of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. As for being a "political hack" - this "moron" (who graduated at the top of his Cornell medical school class) has had the same job since 1984.
 
espola said:
Below you linked an article and a tweet critical of CDC, authored by nationally recognized medical non-experts Ben Shapiro and Guy Benson. Fauci doesn't work for CDC - he's director of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. As for being a "political hack" - this "moron" (who graduated at the top of his Cornell medical school class) has had the same job since 1984.
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1. You asked what brought that on. You were asking a question about my reaction. I answered. We are po'd by the complete politicization of this process by the Biden admin
2, As to the merits, it's been discussed an in the other thread. In summary: there's nothing scientific about the new CDC guidelines, its a complete cave in to the teachers unions, and would require the closure of a super majority of the schools and sports programs currently open.
3. I've said before you aren't no dumb dumb. The issue with you is no doubt age has clouded your formerly brilliant mind (since I still see flashes of lucidity there). It's not intended as a slight....just a statement of reality, which is sad. You do have my honest sympathy. I'm sure you were quite fearsome in your day.
4. So political hack it is. That is intended as a slight. It's what you are if you support these ludicrous CDC guidelines.
 
Grace T. said:
1. You asked what brought that on. You were asking a question about my reaction. I answered. We are po'd by the complete politicization of this process by the Biden admin
2, As to the merits, it's been discussed an in the other thread. In summary: there's nothing scientific about the new CDC guidelines, its a complete cave in to the teachers unions, and would require the closure of a super majority of the schools and sports programs currently open.
3. I've said before you aren't no dumb dumb. The issue with you is no doubt age has clouded your formerly brilliant mind (since I still see flashes of lucidity there). It's not intended as a slight....just a statement of reality, which is sad. You do have my honest sympathy. I'm sure you were quite fearsome in your day.
4. So political hack it is. That is intended as a slight. It's what you are if you support these ludicrous CDC guidelines.
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You have posted several dishonest insults directed at Fauci over the last year. So who is the political hack?
 
espola said:
You have posted several dishonest insults directed at Fauci over the last year. So who is the political hack?
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I'm a political centrist that was a fervent Obama supporter and was disgusted by Trump's behavior in the closing days of his admin (you by contrast have yet to meet a modern D you dislike).

Fauci is either a moron or a hack:

1.He's been wrong about nearly everything
2. He has engaged in massive goalpost moving
3.He's admitted he repeatedly lied (about masks and immunity thresholds)out of some sort of paternalism.
4. And now he's supported this ludicrous school closing plan despite saying schools are safe. What's worse is he doubled down and said the stimulus was needed.

The man is awful. The man is the worst.
 
I try and stay out of these back and forths but come on Grace, Fauci is no "hack". He is being thrust into an area that is new to him and his words are constantly dissected. I'm not saying he's been spot-on, (obviously that's not the case.) He's been behind the scenes for all of his career (for the most part,) and has had a spotlight put on him in what is arguably the most highly contentious political arena in quite some time. Should he know his (public facing) limits enough to step back back? Probably. But to call him a hack doesn't make sense.
 
Glitterhater said:
I try and stay out of these back and forths but come on Grace, Fauci is no "hack". He is being thrust into an area that is new to him and his words are constantly dissected. I'm not saying he's been spot-on, (obviously that's not the case.) He's been behind the scenes for all of his career (for the most part,) and has had a spotlight put on him in what is arguably the most highly contentious political arena in quite some time. Should he know his (public facing) limits enough to step back back? Probably. But to call him a hack doesn't make sense.
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I would have agreed with you up until his support of the CDC standards and doubling down on them by saying we also need to pass the stimulus. The latter is a blatant injection into the political arena. He knows the CDC standards are more restrictive and would result in school closing, despite his previous position the schools should be open. Given his prior position, he should have either publicly come out against the admin or resigned. He didn't in a blatant betrayal to all our children.
 
Grace T. said:
I'm a political centrist that was a fervent Obama supporter and was disgusted by Trump's behavior in the closing days of his admin (you by contrast have yet to meet a modern D you dislike).

Fauci is either a moron or a hack:

1.He's been wrong about nearly everything
2. He has engaged in massive goalpost moving
3.He's admitted he repeatedly lied (about masks and immunity thresholds)out of some sort of paternalism.
4. And now he's supported this ludicrous school closing plan despite saying schools are safe. What's worse is he doubled down and said the stimulus was needed.

The man is awful. The man is the worst.
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I dislike Democrat Bob Filner. I liked him for a while for personal reasons, not because of his party affiliation. His actions in the House benefitted Filipino veterans of WW2, one of whom is my wife's uncle. However, when word of his offensive behavior toward women came to light, I made a non-partisan decision to dislike him.

He is definitely not the worst. He didn't send a mob to overturn the government.
 
Grace T. said:
I think you are right to some extent. But they’ve also consistently discounted seasonality as a factor. It goes against their notion that the thing can actually be controlled and it’s offensive to them that something like the weather might be the prime factor in all this particularly since they don’t understand it very well.
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And, here we go. This expert implies restrictions don't matter. Florida doesn't have any and their infections are going down. We can eliminate the restrictions and people will do what is necessary.

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Kudos to all the Americans who've been responsible about mask wearing and social distancing. Health experts say your efforts are paying off.
After an abysmal start to winter, some Covid-19 numbers have been falling for weeks. ...

"It's what we're doing right: staying apart, wearing masks, not traveling, not mixing with others indoors," said Dr. Tom Frieden, former director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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www.cnn.com

Here's why some Covid-19 numbers keep improving. (Hint: It's not widespread vaccinations)

Kudos to everyone who's been doubling down on mask wearing and social distancing. Health experts say your efforts are paying off. But that's not the only reason numbers are going down. And it's not a pass to let up on safety measures.
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Grace T. said:
I would have agreed with you up until his support of the CDC standards and doubling down on them by saying we also need to pass the stimulus. The latter is a blatant injection into the political arena. He knows the CDC standards are more restrictive and would result in school closing, despite his previous position the schools should be open. Given his prior position, he should have either publicly come out against the admin or resigned. He didn't in a blatant betrayal to all our children.
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"..up until his support of the CDC standards..."? If you will stipulate that you have been critical of Fauci for most of last year, you can save me the trouble of digging up quotes.
 
texanincali said:
What I don't understand is why he is talking like school has been closed all over the country. There are large population swaths that have been back in school since August and so far and there is no data that shows it has been dangerous. These locations didn't need additional resources to open. Maybe their budgets took a bit of a hit with hand sanitizer and plastic shield costs, but none were dependent on a mass funding bill to get schools back open.
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It's so odd how some leaders/experts talk about it. There is a disconnect that is hard to explain by anything other than being out of touch.
 
espola said:
"..up until his support of the CDC standards..."? If you will stipulate that you have been critical of Fauci for most of last year, you can save me the trouble of digging up quotes.
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I have been critical of Fauci. I'd stipulate that. He was way over his head. This action though crosses the line deep into political hackery. It's offensive
 
Grace T. said:
I would have agreed with you up until his support of the CDC standards and doubling down on them by saying we also need to pass the stimulus. The latter is a blatant injection into the political arena. He knows the CDC standards are more restrictive and would result in school closing, despite his previous position the schools should be open. Given his prior position, he should have either publicly come out against the admin or resigned. He didn't in a blatant betrayal to all our children.
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Ok so maybe he is moron vs. a hack, (using your two options here.) Moron meaning that yes- some of his actions have been moronic, (mask down in public is one that seemed to piss a lot of folks off.)

I just can't get behind calling someone of his experience level, (not even including his education and overall academic performance,) a hack.

FWIW- I think he has good intentions with backing this bill. I read it as him saying that the teachers are saying we need x,y,z to open safely- so let's give it to them, (which will cost money.) Which that shows how much power those unions hold, (which is a whole other convo that I haven't had nearly enough coffee for!)
 
espola said:
Is this the first time you have called him a "political hack", or some similar term?
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Don't know. Why don't you research it.

I'm giving Glitterhater the benefit of the doubt here. I'm saying it's was a fair position to have up until this point, where Fauci now crosses the line into political hackery (as does anyone who calls the CDC plan a guide to reopen schools, when it would result in the closure of most of those already open)
 
texanincali said:
What I don't understand is why he is talking like school has been closed all over the country. There are large population swaths that have been back in school since August and so far and there is no data that shows it has been dangerous. These locations didn't need additional resources to open. Maybe their budgets took a bit of a hit with hand sanitizer and plastic shield costs, but none were dependent on a mass funding bill to get schools back open.
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I have no proof of any direct linkage, but it is interesting to note that the recent big surge in covid cases in the US (the surge from which we are now descending) started ramping up in mid-September.

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Covid Trends

Visualizing the exponential growth of COVID-19 across the world.
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Grace T. said:
Don't know. Why don't you research it.

I'm giving Glitterhater the benefit of the doubt here. I'm saying it's was a fair position to have up until this point, where Fauci now crosses the line into political hackery (as does anyone who calls the CDC plan a guide to reopen schools, when it would result in the closure of most of those already open)
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I'll go out on a limb and say that you have.
 
Glitterhater said:
Ok so maybe he is moron vs. a hack, (using your two options here.) Moron meaning that yes- some of his actions have been moronic, (mask down in public is one that seemed to piss a lot of folks off.)

I just can't get behind calling someone of his experience level, (not even including his education and overall academic performance,) a hack.

FWIW- I think he has good intentions with backing this bill. I read it as him saying that the teachers are saying we need x,y,z to open safely- so let's give it to them, (which will cost money.) Which that shows how much power those unions hold, (which is a whole other convo that I haven't had nearly enough coffee for!)
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It's why we have the saying that the road to hell is always paved with good intentions. I don't doubt that the political hacks on either side think they are doing's god's work. The issue is here for the first time, by backing the CDC recommendations, Fauci is knowingly flying in the face of science (with the mask thing, as dad 4 repeatedly has pointed out, at least there's some science there), then what's worse is he says we need the stimulus to reopen schools doubling down on that position, all the while knowing that this isn't a school's reopening plan (and indeed at the current time if implemented would require the closure of a supermajority of the schools in the nation already open).
 
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