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Move the bar much? You said come to NorCal, and it doesn't happen, because you'd get a red card. I said it happens all the time. Who is closer to accurate?
If you're looking at bronze games in East SJ or the CV, that's a completely different culture. But a ftm would not be welcome on a girl's team in those areas, either.

The only ftm I've seen are all in letter leagues, and all based on rich cities. So let's talk about what they would face if they were at the same club, but on a boy's team.
 
If you're looking at bronze games in East SJ or the CV, that's a completely different culture. But a ftm would not be welcome on a girl's team in those areas, either.

The only ftm I've seen are all in letter leagues, and all based on rich cities. So let's talk about what they would face if they were at the same club, but on a boy's team.
As Grace notes, it doesn't matter, it applies to all. But I'm talking about direct experiences in what are considered the "best" leagues in NorCal.
 
If you're looking at bronze games in East SJ or the CV, that's a completely different culture. But a ftm would not be welcome on a girl's team in those areas, either.

The only ftm I've seen are all in letter leagues, and all based on rich cities. So let's talk about what they would face if they were at the same club, but on a boy's team.
Not that way it works. You can’t say “well so long as the umc kids in letter leagues in rich cities are ok”. If the kid in South Carolina or the val wants to play you gotta make sure there’s a safe space there too, not just the places we are least likely to have problems. You gotta be prepared to use the hammer on slobi, his kids, the Latino league coaches and the kids in rural Florida if they don’t comply including pronouns. My kid is an umc kids from the burbs…under your rule if he put on the dress he shouldn’t be denied the slot to play for the mls next team in the barrio if that’s where the slot is…kids commute 3 hrs sometimes yo play for the top teams.

I see we’ve gone from the “it’s not happening” to “yes it happens but only rarely” to “yes it happens but only in places that don’t matter”. Up next I guess is “yes it happens but let me tell you why it’s a good thing”.
 
Is that a post-Modernist belief? Sounds like a euphemism for "stereotyping" to me. I couldn't give a shit what JD Vance thinks, and I'm not going to use him as a gauge on how I should judge this issue.
Oh I forgot the other one from the 90s that got the Ds all upset (Janet Reno, Will Ferrell and the dance party). I just saw an article flash across my screen where Will Ferrell said he'd never do that today and it's one of his biggest regrets.
 
Oh I forgot the other one from the 90s that got the Ds all upset (Janet Reno, Will Ferrell and the dance party). I just saw an article flash across my screen where Will Ferrell said he'd never do that today and it's one of his biggest regrets.
Slobby already beat you to that one. I can't fault Will Ferrell and its probably just peer pressure that is causing him claim regret today. The skit was dumb, but Will Ferrell dressed as Janet Reno, hilarious. He probably regrets doing a skit with Giuliani, more so than doing drag. ;)

Everyone's looking to be offended by something these days. I'm all for being considerate of other's feelings, but let's not overreact, particularly when it has zero impact on you.
 
Well what do you think "research" means? I just googled titles? It is "all inclusive"... including putting them in the boy's bathroom for trannies that go from female to male. Why? Because they're still females and need tampons. Aren't we supposed to call FTM trannies "boys"?
There are literally ZERO tampon machines in boys' bathroom. The law left it up to school districts to decide what "put menstrual products where they may be needed" means and DID NOT MANDATE TAMPONS IN BOYS' BATHROOMS.

Pretty fucking simple... even if you don't understand basic physiology. Where else are they needed besides females? If you need a tampon BECAUSE YOU'RE A FEMALE, why are you in the boy's bathroom or locker room? You're the same losers that say men can get pregnant.
Well, how about the possibility that the visiting girls' team might occasionally have to use the boys' changing rooms, a real example from one of the lawmakers? But again, the bill left it up to each school district and DID NOT MANDATE TAMPONS IN BOYS' BATHROOMS. No school district ended up putting tampons in boys' bathrooms.

“Her running mate approved — signed into legislation — tampons in boys’ bathrooms, OK,” Mr. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, said of Ms. Harris on Monday during a live audio stream on X. “Now that’s all I have to hear.”
Trump's speaking so it's obviously BS designed to keep his base angry: THE BILL DID NOT MANDATE TAMPONS IN BOYS' BATHROOMS.

The law was written by Democratic lawmakers with the intent of including transgender students, and has been celebrated by supporters for urging schools to put the products wherever they may be needed. But with each of Minnesota’s more than 300 school districts responsible for drafting a plan for meeting the requirements of the law, schools have not interpreted it as a mandate to specifically place tampons and pads in restrooms designated only for boys.
I mean, you say it right there: "But with each of Minnesota’s more than 300 school districts responsible for drafting a plan for meeting the requirements of the law, schools have not interpreted it as a mandate to specifically place tampons and pads in restrooms designated only for boys."

Seeing as you seem to be relying on Mr. Trump to interpret the law for you, here's the full text of the part that has you raving like a lunatic so you can see it yourself. Nothing about boys' bathrooms and nothing about transgender students. THE BILL DID NOT MANDATE TAMPONS IN BOYS' BATHROOMS.

Section 1.​

[121A.212] ACCESS TO MENSTRUAL PRODUCTS.​

A school district or charter school must provide students with access to menstrual products at no charge. The products must be available to all menstruating students in restrooms regularly used by students in grades 4 to 12 according to a plan developed by the school district. For purposes of this section, "menstrual products" means pads, tampons, or other similar products used in connection with the menstrual cycle.
 
Slobby already beat you to that one. I can't fault Will Ferrell and its probably just peer pressure that is causing him claim regret today. The skit was dumb, but Will Ferrell dressed as Janet Reno, hilarious. He probably regrets doing a skit with Giuliani, more so than doing drag. ;)

Everyone's looking to be offended by something these days. I'm all for being considerate of other's feelings, but let's not overreact, particularly when it has zero impact on you.
So would you say minstrel shows should be o.k.?
 
There are literally ZERO tampon machines in boys' bathroom. The law left it up to school districts to decide what "put menstrual products where they may be needed" means and DID NOT MANDATE TAMPONS IN BOYS' BATHROOMS.


Well, how about the possibility that the visiting girls' team might occasionally have to use the boys' changing rooms, a real example from one of the lawmakers? But again, the bill left it up to each school district and DID NOT MANDATE TAMPONS IN BOYS' BATHROOMS. No school district ended up putting tampons in boys' bathrooms.


Trump's speaking so it's obviously BS designed to keep his base angry: THE BILL DID NOT MANDATE TAMPONS IN BOYS' BATHROOMS.


I mean, you say it right there: "But with each of Minnesota’s more than 300 school districts responsible for drafting a plan for meeting the requirements of the law, schools have not interpreted it as a mandate to specifically place tampons and pads in restrooms designated only for boys."

Seeing as you seem to be relying on Mr. Trump to interpret the law for you, here's the full text of the part that has you raving like a lunatic so you can see it yourself. Nothing about boys' bathrooms and nothing about transgender students. THE BILL DID NOT MANDATE TAMPONS IN BOYS' BATHROOMS.

Section 1.​

[121A.212] ACCESS TO MENSTRUAL PRODUCTS.​

A school district or charter school must provide students with access to menstrual products at no charge. The products must be available to all menstruating students in restrooms regularly used by students in grades 4 to 12 according to a plan developed by the school district. For purposes of this section, "menstrual products" means pads, tampons, or other similar products used in connection with the menstrual cycle.
How do you know there are no tampons in the boys restroom? How many have you visited? Oh, I guess there's one you missed. Took me 10 seconds to find.


How 'bout this one?! Libtardville Oregon already had it MANDATED. Maybe those deodorant dodging tree huggers are figuring shit out.


You know what? Nevermind. Your first point was debunked in seconds. No reason to continue, right? "Did not mandate" means nothing. Boys don't use tampons. Never have. Never will. No amount of you rainbow warriors will change that.

Are you going to now sit here and tell me democrats aren't saying men can menstruate and give birth? Are you going to tell me your DEI judge KBJ didn't refuse to define what a woman is?
 
As Grace notes, it doesn't matter, it applies to all. But I'm talking about direct experiences in what are considered the "best" leagues in NorCal.

Let me guess, you found some Hispanic kids playing MLSN who used a certain slur. And the bronze level team from the same neighborhood uses it, too.

You do realize that the dad’s gonna use exactly the same slur if some trans kid takes his daughter’s spot on the girls’ team.
 
Slobby already beat you to that one. I can't fault Will Ferrell and its probably just peer pressure that is causing him claim regret today. The skit was dumb, but Will Ferrell dressed as Janet Reno, hilarious. He probably regrets doing a skit with Giuliani, more so than doing drag. ;)

Everyone's looking to be offended by something these days. I'm all for being considerate of other's feelings, but let's not overreact, particularly when it has zero impact on you.
I think you are right about Will Ferrell. Funny thing is, (no pun intended) I don't see Mike Myers getting worked up about "Coffee Talk With Linda Richman" or Dana Carvey showing regret over playing Church Lady.
 
Let me guess, you found some Hispanic kids playing MLSN who used a certain slur. And the bronze level team from the same neighborhood uses it, too.

You do realize that the dad’s gonna use exactly the same slur if some trans kid takes his daughter’s spot on the girls’ team.
You're not a particularly good guesser, nor is your perspective widely shared. It may very well be completely accurate from your point of view - but if so yours is quite sheltered and naive.
 
I think you are right about Will Ferrell. Funny thing is, (no pun intended) I don't see Mike Myers getting worked up about "Coffee Talk With Linda Richman" or Dana Carvey showing regret over playing Church Lady.
Jimmy Kimmel calls Trump a racist after doing blackface sketches of Karl Malone and Oprah in a fat suit.

The hypocrisy with these kids is palpable.
 
I think you are right about Will Ferrell. Funny thing is, (no pun intended) I don't see Mike Myers getting worked up about "Coffee Talk With Linda Richman" or Dana Carvey showing regret over playing Church Lady.
Perhaps because the Ferrell and Goodman sketches were directly making fun of the appearance of two figures (one an expressly political figure and the other a private individual who had involved herself in high politics), but the Meyers thing was an homage to his mother in law while Carveys is a fictional creation?
 
How do you know there are no tampons in the boys restroom? How many have you visited? Oh, I guess there's one you missed. Took me 10 seconds to find.


How 'bout this one?! Libtardville Oregon already had it MANDATED. Maybe those deodorant dodging tree huggers are figuring shit out.


You know what? Nevermind. Your first point was debunked in seconds. No reason to continue, right? "Did not mandate" means nothing. Boys don't use tampons. Never have. Never will. No amount of you rainbow warriors will change that.

Are you going to now sit here and tell me democrats aren't saying men can menstruate and give birth? Are you going to tell me your DEI judge KBJ didn't refuse to define what a woman is?

Wait. The Minnesota Bill covered Connecticut and Oregon too? What about states’ rights? Damn you, Tampon Tim.
 
You're not a particularly good guesser, nor is your perspective widely shared. It may very well be completely accurate from your point of view - but if so yours is quite sheltered and naive.
My guesses are fine.

You claim “happens all the time”. I guess, correctly, that it’s really only a couple of teams. You shift to “it doesn’t matter how often it is”. In other words, it isn‘t anywhere near “all the time.”

Then you claim it’s happening at the best leagues in norcal. There is only one league fitting that description, and I named it. No real guesswork needed, provided you’re actually being honest about the level of play.

At the end of the day, the point remains. There are dozens of quality boys programs which would be happy to let a ftm kid play “up” onto one of their boys teams. They are the same clubs in the same upper middle class suburbs where you find high end girls teams, and a ftm kid would be perfectly safe there.

If someone is seeking out a girls team for their XY athlete, it’s not for safety. A boys team at the same club would be equally safe.
 
So would you say minstrel shows should be o.k.?
Minstrel shows have been extinct for decades and arent coming back. But Ill indulge you in your completely hypothetical game. I dont know what your definition of OK is, but I would have zero interest in such a racist show. However, I'm a free speech absolutist so it would have to be allowed. Good news is the market wouldnt support it...obviously.
 
Minstrel shows have been extinct for decades and arent coming back. But I’ll indulge you in your completely hypothetical game. I dont know what your definition of OK is, but I would have zero interest in such a racist show. However, I'm a free speech absolutist so it would have to be allowed. Good news is the market wouldnt support it...obviously.
So then why is drag show ok but the minstrel show not? Why is comedy drag (which clearly makes fun of the appearance of women like Reno and Tripp) ok but not blackface? Whats your rationale? The minstrel show after all did not go dark merely because of the lack of popularity in the music. The jazz singer in the 1920s, other films in the 30s and 40s, and blackface went through the 80s all the way to “trading places”. Comedy drag fell out of favor in the late 90s with white comedians and with African Americans in the 10s. What’s your limiting principle? Is it because one is racist and deserves condemnation but being sexist doesn’t? Or is your position that drag (which in both comedy form and performance form makes fun of the appearance of women in my book) is not sexist?
 
So then why is drag show ok but the minstrel show not? Why is comedy drag (which clearly makes fun of the appearance of women like Reno and Tripp) ok but not blackface? Whats your rationale? The minstrel show after all did not go dark merely because of the lack of popularity in the music. The jazz singer in the 1920s, other films in the 30s and 40s, and blackface went through the 80s all the way to “trading places”. Comedy drag fell out of favor in the late 90s with white comedians and with African Americans in the 10s. What’s your limiting principle? Is it because one is racist and deserves condemnation but being sexist doesn’t? Or is your position that drag (which in both comedy form and performance form makes fun of the appearance of women in my book) is not sexist?
Your arguing with yourself. Not with anything I said. Your sense of relativity is so askew its not worth my time to respond. My fault for engaging with you after I said I wouldnt.
 
Your arguing with yourself. Not with anything I said. Your sense of relativity is so askew its not worth my time to respond. My fault for engaging with you after I said I wouldnt.
I’m just wondering what the distinction is. I’m asking questions. You ducking it because there’s no good answer.

Let me take in the roll of your lawyer then and argue with myself. I’ve wracked my brains for what is the best counter argument and this is the best I can come up with. Sure some drag (like the Tripp or Reno thing) is disgusting and makes fun of women. But not all drag does that. For example Linda Richman is an homage to Jewish culture and Meyer’s mil. And yes gay drag sometimes mocks women but not always. But it’s an imperfect argument because: it leaves open then that some drag story hour might be bad, while conversely arguing some blackface (if it doesn’t make fun overtly of blackpeople like in trading places) is ok (but we can’t say that these days and would make you unpopular).
 
My guesses are fine.

You claim “happens all the time”. I guess, correctly, that it’s really only a couple of teams. You shift to “it doesn’t matter how often it is”. In other words, it isn‘t anywhere near “all the time.”

Then you claim it’s happening at the best leagues in norcal. There is only one league fitting that description, and I named it. No real guesswork needed, provided you’re actually being honest about the level of play.

At the end of the day, the point remains. There are dozens of quality boys programs which would be happy to let a ftm kid play “up” onto one of their boys teams. They are the same clubs in the same upper middle class suburbs where you find high end girls teams, and a ftm kid would be perfectly safe there.

If someone is seeking out a girls team for their XY athlete, it’s not for safety. A boys team at the same club would be equally safe.

This is what is called backtracking. Let's go to the tape:

The hammer already exists. Try using that term on the pitch in NorCal. We’ve got no problem at all showing a red card and watching the dad walk his kid to the car.

At that point, the dad has two choices. He can teach his kid not to pick fights, or he can find another league.

It works, and it's better than your solution. You suspect that some boys are going to mistreat someone. Instead of dealing with the misbehavior if and when it happens or finding a better behaved group of boys, you choose to stomp all over the rights of a completely unrelated group of girls.

This is what you believe. This is a nice thought, and it might even be what most would want to be true. However, it is not. By far. If you believe it to be the case you are either inobservant, a little slow, or intentionally lying - none of which is a good look. Let's look at it again:

The hammer already exists. Try using that term on the pitch in NorCal. We’ve got no problem at all showing a red card and watching the dad walk his kid to the car.

What you are saying is untrue. It is not the case in NorCal. You were called out gently for stating something that was not terribly accurate. Either stand by it and continue to be ridiculed, or admit that what you are stating as an existing solution, isn't.
 
Sf must be a magical place because I’ve seen it happen against kids of color in the val and la at lease a dozen times. In no case did the ref do anything (beyond in a handful of cases a verbal warning…reason the ref doesn’t have proof and it isn’t worth the aggravation). Neither did the coaches (one coach challenged our coach to a fist fight for even suggesting their player did that). And I’ve seen plenty of Latino coaches in the barrio let the m and n words float around freely (so white kids looking to play on those higher, even highest, level letter league teams walk away). To make it work you’d have to use the hammer: life time bans and expulsion for both parents and kids, force people like slobi to use pronouns and not dead name.
So you are ok "forcing" others to use pronouns...which by the way is total BS...but forcing an obvious MTF that obviously looks like "HE" does not belong there out of the women's restroom is bad? Got it.

Btw...what's "dead name?"

Back to the whole pronoun crap. Where/when did the train come off the rails that we started to entertain this crap?
If I want you to address me as "Your Highness" are you going to, or will you think I'm a total idiot?
Because having to refer to another human being as he/him/she/her..and even more ridiculous they/them is some
of the dumbest crock of BS that I have ever seen!!
 
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