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[Veritas]

Do Apes have MTFs?

Nope, Crush , apes aren’t signing up for MTF transitions like we humans do SMH. What we see in apes is more like them just going with the flow, reacting to social situations rather than heading to a gender clinic. For example, some apes might act in ways more commonly associated with the opposite sex bossing others around or pulling some wild mating rituals but let’s be real, they’re not transitioning or shopping for new wardrobes while trying to hide their pistols in the process . They’re just dealing with their environment and social vibes, not questioning their internal gender identity.

Now, this kind of “go with what you’ve got” behavior reminds me of what happens in male prisons. The uptick in same sex behavior behind bars isn’t exactly about men suddenly discovering they’re gay, it’s more like, "Hey, there’s no women here, so... options are limited." Once out of jail, many of these guys go back to dating women. So it’s more about survival of the fittest relationship edition than an innate sexual orientation switch. Kind of like how apes adapt to their surroundings.

In both cases, whether it’s apes in the wild or men in prison, it’s really just about playing the hand you’re dealt. These behaviors are circumstantial, not necessarily a lifelong preference. So just because you see certain behaviors in certain environments doesn’t mean it’s nature at work it’s more like, "This is the situation, so let’s roll with it." In other words, the environment can really make you do some interesting things whether you’re an ape having gay sex or a guy in a Tranny costume.

 

[Grace T.]

Actually....there'd been a radical decline in fertility for the younger millenials and the zers. Also incidents of males with low testosterone (so-called beta males) seem to be rising. Further, there seems to be an increasing disconnected between men and women with women delaying pregnancy later and later and more men becoming incels (indeed, more than trans individuals, incels seem to be the prevalent factor in school shootings including the latest one in Georgia). We have a beta male problem....why? The rising trend in LGBTQ identification goes alone with that trend....BTW that B is the tricky factor which seems most susceptible to societal norms. If you look at the trend in Romans who were exclusively G v. B, the number was much lower...whether this was because of machismo norms or because of something in the society who knows....there are few apes that are G or T...1/5 that have experimented with B. But something is afoot, especially if you read dating twitter. Lots of women complaining about low T men and wondering why all of a sudden they are in their late 30s without a husband. Lots of incel men complaining they can't get a gal. Something's up with the selfish gene.

p.s. that disconnect also spills into political affiliation. Single women are record high with the Ds. Equally single men are record high with the Rs. If Increasingly people don't want to date across the aisles...can't remember the exact numbers but IIRC it was from 20 something% in the 1970s to 45% now. That makes for a whole lot of complainy cat ladies wondering why they can't get the ring, and a whole lot of angry young men wondering why they are incels. Women are the gatekeepers of sex. Men are the gatekeepers of relationships.

 

[crush]

Actually....there'd been a radical decline in fertility for the younger millenials and the zers. Also incidents of males with low testosterone (so-called beta males) seem to be rising. Further, there seems to be an increasing disconnected between men and women with women delaying pregnancy later and later and more men becoming incels (indeed, more than trans individuals, incels seem to be the prevalent factor in school shootings including the latest one in Georgia). We have a beta male problem....why? The rising trend in LGBTQ identification goes alone with that trend....BTW that B is the tricky factor which seems most susceptible to societal norms. If you look at the trend in Romans who were exclusively G v. B, the number was much lower...whether this was because of machismo norms or because of something in the society who knows....there are few apes that are G or T...1/5 that have experimented with B. But something is afoot, especially if you read dating twitter. Lots of women complaining about low T men and wondering why all of a sudden they are in their late 30s without a husband. Lots of incel men complaining they can't get a gal. Something's up with the selfish gene.

Do you think the WEF, Klause, Bill Gates, Clintons, Obamas and the Elites they buy off want more people born and alive on the planet or less, like depopulation through abortion and wars and the jabs? Based on what I read and see, these assholes and the one's they bought off to push the jabs are respoisble for all this MTF stuff. I think without a link, that the jabs were tainted with a high level of beta male hormones. I think we all agree that a man with a penis shall not play women sports. A man who cuts off penis, can apply for access. If you have a penis, no entry to girl's bathroom or girl sports.

 

[crush]

Nope, Crush , apes aren’t signing up for MTF transitions like we humans do SMH. What we see in apes is more like them just going with the flow, reacting to social situations rather than heading to a gender clinic. For example, some apes might act in ways more commonly associated with the opposite sex bossing others around or pulling some wild mating rituals but let’s be real, they’re not transitioning or shopping for new wardrobes while trying to hide their pistols in the process . They’re just dealing with their environment and social vibes, not questioning their internal gender identity.

Now, this kind of “go with what you’ve got” behavior reminds me of what happens in male prisons. The uptick in same sex behavior behind bars isn’t exactly about men suddenly discovering they’re gay, it’s more like, "Hey, there’s no women here, so... options are limited." Once out of jail, many of these guys go back to dating women. So it’s more about survival of the fittest relationship edition than an innate sexual orientation switch. Kind of like how apes adapt to their surroundings.

In both cases, whether it’s apes in the wild or men in prison, it’s really just about playing the hand you’re dealt. These behaviors are circumstantial, not necessarily a lifelong preference. So just because you see certain behaviors in certain environments doesn’t mean it’s nature at work it’s more like, "This is the situation, so let’s roll with it." In other words, the environment can really make you do some interesting things whether you’re an ape having gay sex or a guy in a Tranny costume.

Thanks for information on the reality of prison life. Of course, Shawshank was no real redemption in my mind. I would have been thrown off the roof if I knew Bogs and Rooster were waiting for me every night. That Warden was the devil. Anyway, I hear Big Foot is now a woman and is packing her pistol in da woods.

 

[Grace T.]

Nope, Crush , apes aren’t signing up for MTF transitions like we humans do SMH. What we see in apes is more like them just going with the flow, reacting to social situations rather than heading to a gender clinic. For example, some apes might act in ways more commonly associated with the opposite sex bossing others around or pulling some wild mating rituals but let’s be real, they’re not transitioning or shopping for new wardrobes while trying to hide their pistols in the process . They’re just dealing with their environment and social vibes, not questioning their internal gender identity.

Now, this kind of “go with what you’ve got” behavior reminds me of what happens in male prisons. The uptick in same sex behavior behind bars isn’t exactly about men suddenly discovering they’re gay, it’s more like, "Hey, there’s no women here, so... options are limited." Once out of jail, many of these guys go back to dating women. So it’s more about survival of the fittest relationship edition than an innate sexual orientation switch. Kind of like how apes adapt to their surroundings.

In both cases, whether it’s apes in the wild or men in prison, it’s really just about playing the hand you’re dealt. These behaviors are circumstantial, not necessarily a lifelong preference. So just because you see certain behaviors in certain environments doesn’t mean it’s nature at work it’s more like, "This is the situation, so let’s roll with it." In other words, the environment can really make you do some interesting things whether you’re an ape having gay sex or a guy in a Tranny costume.

It's more than just social. Environment too as seen in the behavior of certain species such as clownfish, hyenas, reptiles and certain cranes.

There also, however, seems to be a genetic component as the alpha is not the one engaging in the behavior, and it seems to be keyed to testosterone levels (which in turn is influenced by genetic, social and environmental factors)

Again it's the B which is tricky. The Gs (which do exist in the ape world as well) seem much more rigid and just constitute a much more generally lower %.

 

[watfly]

What makes you think I'm a father that trusts a relative? I'm not disagreeing with you. It could also be a coach, a teacher, a priest, a babysitter, etc. I'm not willing to wake up one morning and say it's suddenly okay for men to use the women's restroom. There's always some level of risk when your kid is unsupervised, but when Jack Black puts on a chiffon dress and walks around in public, that doesn't spell "sane" to me at all.

If Jack wants to put in a full day at work and then go home, put on a moo-moo, wig and dance to Lady Gaga songs in the mirror, that's his business. When he wants to pretend he's Jane and use the women's bathroom, that's an issue and should be.

I don't think that. I was just making a point about relativity. I don't doubt you have the best interests of your kids in mind.

What's the fear of drag queens, or what's the inherent issue with them? As long as their schtick is age appropriate, I wouldn't have a big issue with them doing story time. Drag is a form of comedy. Milton Berle and Flip Wilson we're well known for their drag characters. Would I have Divine perform for kids? no, but I don't think we should lump all acts together.

 

[crush]

It's more than just social. Environment too as seen in the behavior of certain species such as clownfish, hyenas, reptiles and certain cranes.

There also, however, seems to be a genetic component as the alpha is not the one engaging in the behavior, and it seems to be keyed to testosterone levels (which in turn is influenced by genetic, social and environmental factors)

Again it's the B which is tricky. The Gs (which do exist in the ape world as well) seem much more rigid and just constitute a much more generally lower %.

I just looked on google and it says Apes go both ways and some on the men only like other Ape men. I have no idea and if that's true, were just being like the apes then.

 

[crush]

I don't think that. I was just making a point about relativity. I don't doubt you have the best interests of your kids in mind.

What's the fear of drag queens, or what's the inherent issue with them? As long as their schtick is age appropriate, I wouldn't have a big issue with them doing story time. Drag is a form of comedy. Milton Berle and Flip Wilson we're well known for their drag characters. Would I have Divine perform for kids? no, but I don't think we should lump all acts together.

How old you thinking? My old pal who used to be an Elder but got shamed and booted because his son Sam came as a gay. Not a Trans at all, just likes to do Drag Queen shows at adult bars, keyword adult. He would never do a drag queen story time with little 7 year olds at a school. It's pure comedy with the adults and the booze, but not for kids. Drag Queen story time is not for the children.

No!!!

 

[Grace T.]

I don't think that. I was just making a point about relativity. I don't doubt you have the best interests of your kids in mind.

What's the fear of drag queens, or what's the inherent issue with them? As long as their schtick is age appropriate, I wouldn't have a big issue with them doing story time. Drag is a form of comedy. Milton Berle and Flip Wilson we're well known for their drag characters. Would I have Divine perform for kids? no, but I don't think we should lump all acts together.

1. There’s a sexual component to it. It would be like doing a “stripper time story hour” but the stripper is just doing g rated stuff. Why do you need the stripper…just read the goddamn story
2. Yes I get drag is a thing which has been important in gay culture. Drag artists are not necessarily trans individuals. They tend to be gay men in drag (though some are trans and just pre decision).
3. I’ve never really been comfortable though with drag for drags sake. It’s kinda like blackface…a not so flattering caricature of women.
4. That said you wanna do drag go ahead. But I get the discomfort because of 1 with it around kids. Even more disturbing is the drag show (and strip shows like pole dancing) for kids since the dances overt have a sexual component

 

[Veritas]

I just looked on google and it says Apes go both ways and some on the men only like other Ape men. I have no idea and if that's true, were just being like the apes then.

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Watch out with Google suggestive articles, follow the publishing path and you'll normally see it lead back to a progressive study. Some liber arts dude not a real scientist. Probably some leftist social scientist. What you are describing here are false genetic mutations directly caused by stressors in the environment. Did I ever tell you Crush that I have a bachelors in Biology?

 

[crush]

1. There’s a sexual component to it. It would be like doing a “stripper time story hour” but the stripper is just doing g rated stuff. Why do you need the stripper…just read the goddamn story
2. Yes I get drag is a thing which has been important in gay culture. Drag artists are not necessarily trans individuals. They tend to be gay men in drag (though some are trans and just pre decision).
3. I’ve never really been comfortable though with drag for drags sake. It’s kinda like blackface…a not so flattering caricature of women.
4. That said you wanna do drag go ahead. But I get the discomfort because of 1 with it around kids. Even more disturbing is the drag show (and strip shows like pole dancing) for kids since the dances overt have a sexual component

When I was a kid either the Liberian, our teacher or one of the parents would read story time, not a Drag Queen. This is all about grooming the next thing you know a Stripper Story Time reader will come, and it will be G rated the first time. Then PG13 and then.......

 

[crush]

Watch out with Google suggestive articles, follow the publishing path and you'll normally see it lead back to a progressive study. Some liber arts dude not a real scientist. Probably some leftist social scientist. What you are describing here are genetic mutations caused by stressors in the environment. Did I ever tell you Crush that I have a bachelors in Biology?

I did not know that about you. Fact or a weirdo's imagination. Are some Apes Gay, Bi or Trans Apes?

 

[Veritas]

It's more than just social. Environment too as seen in the behavior of certain species such as clownfish, hyenas, reptiles and certain cranes.

There also, however, seems to be a genetic component as the alpha is not the one engaging in the behavior, and it seems to be keyed to testosterone levels (which in turn is influenced by genetic, social and environmental factors)

Again it's the B which is tricky. The Gs (which do exist in the ape world as well) seem much more rigid and just constitute a much more generally lower %.

Grace, you’ve got a point that environment and biology can team up to influence behavior after all, clownfish change gender when the head honcho dies, and hyenas are just weirdly wired from the get go. But here’s the thing Grace... these changes aren’t because the fish or the hyenas woke up one day and decided to mix things up. It’s all about survival. The clownfish swaps roles to keep the family business running smoothly, and hyenas? Well, they’re just built different, but it’s still about who gets to pass on the genes.

Now, testosterone? Yeah, that guy definitely influences behavior. It’s like the "juice" that makes alpha males strut around as king of the hill. The alphas are all about mating and passing on those sweet genes, so they don’t mess around with other behaviors. But when you look at the lower-ranking dudes, who aren’t getting the same action, sometimes they experiment a bit. But is that genetics or just being stuck in a social pickle?

And about stress or environment causing genetic mutations. It’s true that stress can push behavior to shift for survival, but that doesn’t mean it’s rewriting the genetic code to create a permanent change in sexual behavior. Think about prisoners, when they’re locked up, sometimes they make do with what’s available. But once they’re out, most go back to their previous patterns. If it were a genetic mutation, that behavior wouldn’t switch back so easily. Genetic mutations tend to take much longer than just one generation by the way... hence Gen Z

So, while environment, testosterone, and social situations can stir the pot, we’re not talking about a full on genetic overhaul. More like temporary adaptations to deal with the circumstances. When the circumstances change, so does the behavior. No genetic rewiring necessary, just some good old situational problem solving. In essence it's just Nature at work

I did not know that about you. Fact or a weirdo's imagination. Are some Apes Homo Apes?

What I'm trying to say here that Grace is referring to genetic mutations as the cause but I say not so fast...

 

[Grace T.]

Grace, you’ve got a point that environment and biology can team up to influence behavior after all, clownfish change gender when the head honcho dies, and hyenas are just weirdly wired from the get go. But here’s the thing Grace... these changes aren’t because the fish or the hyenas woke up one day and decided to mix things up. It’s all about survival. The clownfish swaps roles to keep the family business running smoothly, and hyenas? Well, they’re just built different, but it’s still about who gets to pass on the genes.

Now, testosterone? Yeah, that guy definitely influences behavior. It’s like the "juice" that makes alpha males strut around as king of the hill. The alphas are all about mating and passing on those sweet genes, so they don’t mess around with other behaviors. But when you look at the lower-ranking dudes, who aren’t getting the same action, sometimes they experiment a bit. But is that genetics or just being stuck in a social pickle?

And about stress or environment causing genetic mutations. It’s true that stress can push behavior to shift for survival, but that doesn’t mean it’s rewriting the genetic code to create a permanent change in sexual behavior. Think about prisoners, when they’re locked up, sometimes they make do with what’s available. But once they’re out, most go back to their previous patterns. If it were a genetic mutation, that behavior wouldn’t switch back so easily. Genetic mutations tend to take much longer than just one generation by the way... hence Gen Z

So, while environment, testosterone, and social situations can stir the pot, we’re not talking about a full on genetic overhaul. More like temporary adaptations to deal with the circumstances. When the circumstances change, so does the behavior. No genetic rewiring necessary, just some good old situational problem solving. In essence it's just Nature at work

What I'm trying to say here that Grace is referring to genetic mutations as the cause but I say not so fast...

We actually aren’t that far apart. My main point is it’s not happening in the high t alphas because of genetics. They are alphas for a reason.

So I’m curious now (not a gotcha) what do you ascribe the rise of so many low t beta males and incels to? I don’t have a theory. I’m scratching my head.

 

[dad4]

Guess I owe you a bit of an apology there. I didn't know your underlying assumption was that MTF athletes would be welcomed on the boys team. I think that's fundamentally the difference in our positions. I'm not so naive to think so. There have been documented cases (in the study I posted) where nonbinaries and trans individuals have been harassed in their respective biological bathroom. My kid got into a fistfight when he was called "a sissy" by his roommates at an international for wanting to go to bed at a decent hour before his trial...if he were to be wearing a dress in the men's room I don't see those teammates being welcoming I see black and hispanic kids being called the n word at the fields. And then there are people like Slobi using slurs, threatening violence and threatening to target trans kids, so forgive me, but no I don't think that will go well. It won't work unless you are prepared to restrict free speech by silencing people like Slobi through punishments for what they say (and I'm not).

Not sure where you get the idea that people would be more welcoming if we just had more Lia Thomases.

If you want a welcoming environment, you start by respecting other people’s boundaries. Two of those boundaries are XX sports teams and XX bathrooms.

 

[Grace T.]

Not sure where you get the idea that people would be more welcoming if we just had more Lia Thomases.

If you want a welcoming environment, you start by respecting other people’s boundaries. Two of those boundaries are XX sports teams and XX bathrooms.

Again that's where we differ (though now I have a little better sense of why). The ptsd dog hater and the blind guy with the service dog are just in an irrevocable conflict. There's nothing the blind guy can do to make the ptsd dog hater feel better about it (in the case the dog was perfectly well behaved and was laying at his feet). Likewise, given the Slobi led off this discussion with a slur, I don't think anything changes his opinion. Like I said....my son got called a "sissie" and had a fist fight with his teammates over wanting to go to bed at midnight (plus the preceding arguments over who's fault a goal was)....there's no reasoning for some people, which means it's an idealistic utopia to assume the trans MTF youth is going to be safe in the boys bathroom. Given I care about ALL the youth, that means fixing the problem with private facilities options if you want to segregate them. A genetic test doesn't make sense for the bathroom BTW....you'll have post surgical trans MTF without a wang in the men's room and you'll have post surgical FTM with a wang the precious DD can see in the womens bathroom...best rule is penis/no penis with mandated separate facilities for those undergoing issues, where feasible (which includes all schools).

 

[Veritas]

We actually aren’t that far apart. My main point is it’s not happening in the high t alphas because of genetics. They are alphas for a reason.

So I’m curious now (not a gotcha) what do you ascribe the rise of so many low t beta males and incels to? I don’t have a theory. I’m scratching my head.

Ohh Grace, we’re totally syncing up here! You nailed it high T alphas are running the show for a reason. They’re built for dominance, leadership, and keeping things moving. They’re not out there debating whether to flex their genetic muscle they just do it, no questions asked.

But let’s get into this beta/incel mystery, because it’s like we’ve got a whole new species of low T guys wandering around wondering what happened. Here’s my theory: we’ve swapped spears and hunting grounds for screens and scrolls. Guys aren’t out there battling for resources they’re battling Wi-Fi dropouts. Toss in processed food, lack of movement, and too much time spent sitting in front of screens and you’ve got testosterone levels taking a nosedive 100%

Oh yeah, let’s not forget internet porn smh because that’s playing a huge role too. Instead of actually going out there and pursuing relationships, a lot of these guys are just sitting back, letting their screens do all the work. Why bother putting in effort when everything’s right at your fingertips, no stakes involved? It’s like nature’s biggest cheat code, but the cost is that it’s zapping their drive, confidence, and even their testosterone.

And then, society’s giving out mixed signals. Traditional male roles? Pretty much out the window. We’ve gone from “be the alpha” to “just vibe and see what happens” and some guys took that a little too literally... I bet. Now they’re in a feedback loop of low effort, low reward, and low self-esteem. Add in unrealistic Instagram comparisons and Reddit echo chambers, and you’ve got a perfect storm for beta males and incels to thrive & pop out like popcorn.

But here’s the thing...this isn’t some genetic shift we’re stuck with forever. It’s just modern life throwing a curveball. Testosterone can bounce back. Guys just need to step away from the screens, hit the gym, maybe lay off the fast food and porn for a bit, and start getting back in touch with their inner alpha right?. It’s a lifestyle slump, not a permanent mutation...

So yeah, the rise of low T betas and incels? Blame it on too much Netflix, porn, and not enough deadlifts. We’re adapting to a digital world, but not always in the best way. That's my best guess...

 

[Grace T.]

Again that's where we differ (though now I have a little better sense of why). The ptsd dog hater and the blind guy with the service dog are just in an irrevocable conflict. There's nothing the blind guy can do to make the ptsd dog hater feel better about it (in the case the dog was perfectly well behaved and was laying at his feet). Likewise, given the Slobi led off this discussion with a slur, I don't think anything changes his opinion. Like I said....my son got called a "sissie" and had a fist fight with his teammates over wanting to go to bed at midnight (plus the preceding arguments over who's fault a goal was)....there's no reasoning for some people, which means it's an idealistic utopia to assume the trans MTF youth is going to be safe in the boys bathroom. Given I care about ALL the youth, that means fixing the problem with private facilities options if you want to segregate them. A genetic test doesn't make sense for the bathroom BTW....you'll have post surgical trans MTF without a wang in the men's room and you'll have post surgical FTM with a wang the precious DD can see in the womens bathroom...best rule is penis/no penis with mandated separate facilities for those undergoing issues, where feasible (which includes all schools).

p.s. speaking as a woman, I personally would feel much safer (and if I have my nieces much safer) with a trans MTF individual with no wang than a FTM individual with a wang.

Ohh Grace, we’re totally syncing up here! You nailed it high T alphas are running the show for a reason. They’re built for dominance, leadership, and keeping things moving. They’re not out there debating whether to flex their genetic muscle they just do it, no questions asked.

But let’s get into this beta/incel mystery, because it’s like we’ve got a whole new species of low T guys wandering around wondering what happened. Here’s my theory: we’ve swapped spears and hunting grounds for screens and scrolls. Guys aren’t out there battling for resources they’re battling Wi-Fi dropouts. Toss in processed food, lack of movement, and too much time spent sitting in front of screens and you’ve got testosterone levels taking a nosedive 100%

Oh yeah, let’s not forget internet porn smh because that’s playing a huge role too. Instead of actually going out there and pursuing relationships, a lot of these guys are just sitting back, letting their screens do all the work. Why bother putting in effort when everything’s right at your fingertips, no stakes involved? It’s like nature’s biggest cheat code, but the cost is that it’s zapping their drive, confidence, and even their testosterone.

And then, society’s giving out mixed signals. Traditional male roles? Pretty much out the window. We’ve gone from “be the alpha” to “just vibe and see what happens” and some guys took that a little too literally... I bet. Now they’re in a feedback loop of low effort, low reward, and low self-esteem. Add in unrealistic Instagram comparisons and Reddit echo chambers, and you’ve got a perfect storm for beta males and incels to thrive & pop out like popcorn.

But here’s the thing...this isn’t some genetic shift we’re stuck with forever. It’s just modern life throwing a curveball. Testosterone can bounce back. Guys just need to step away from the screens, hit the gym, maybe lay off the fast food and porn for a bit, and start getting back in touch with their inner alpha right?. It’s a lifestyle slump, not a permanent mutation...

So yeah, the rise of low T betas and incels? Blame it on too much Netflix, porn, and not enough deadlifts. We’re adapting to a digital world, but not always in the best way. That's my best guess...

I hadn't thought of porn...you would think exposure would raise the t level....but it's an interesting theory and worth somebody to give a lookskie. Fascinating....if there's low reward I think you found your reason why the rise in people claiming LGBT status (likewise for women why not nonbinary if there is no reward on the other side)....not some change in philosophy...why bother with the annoyances of Mars/Venus if you are unlikely to be rewarded (see the crazy/hot scale). Interesting. I'll be on the lookout as this develops, see if you are right but you may be onto something.

 

[watfly]

1. There’s a sexual component to it. It would be like doing a “stripper time story hour” but the stripper is just doing g rated stuff. Why do you need the stripper…just


read the goddamn story
2. Yes I get drag is a thing which has been important in gay culture. Drag artists are not necessarily trans individuals. They tend to be gay men in drag (though some are trans and just pre decision).
3. I’ve never really been comfortable though with drag for drags sake. It’s kinda like blackface…a not so flattering caricature of women.
4. That said you wanna do drag go ahead. But I get the discomfort because of 1 with it around kids. Even more disturbing is the drag show (and strip shows like pole dancing) for kids since the dances overt have a sexual component

Drag queens aren't my first choice for story hour. However, saying it has a sexual component to it, is not much different than Sloboban saying a man in the dress in womans restroom is a sexual thing, or I don't want a gay man around my kids because their is a sexual component. A stripper and a drag queen are apples and oranges. Stripper is sex, drag is entertainment. Can drag be sexual? Absolutely. Is it inherently sexual? Only to the simple-minded that are uncomfortable with men wearing women's cloths.

Webster's definition of Drag Queen: a person and especially a man who performs as an entertainer in usually female drag

 

[Grace T.]

Drag queens aren't my first choice for story hour. However, saying it has a sexual component to it, is not much different than Sloboban saying a man in the dress in womans restroom is a sexual thing, or I don't want a gay man around my kids because their is a sexual component. A stripper and a drag queen are apples and oranges. Stripper is sex, drag is entertainment. Can drag be sexual? Absolutely. Is it inherently sexual? Only to the simple-minded that are uncomfortable with men wearing women's cloths.

Webster's definition of Drag Queen: a person and especially a man who performs as an entertainer in usually female drag

When was the last time you saw a drag performance? Honest question. It’s not the birdcage anymore. The great Starina would be considered passe these days, though you’ll recall Starinas main number was her conjuring up a muscle bounded shirtless men’s who becomes her fantasy and then she becomes her creations fantasy. Drag shows these days have tilted more towards the risqué than the burlesque because of audience taste trying to push boundaries.