5 biological men roster wins Australian women's soccer league title & also undefeated this season

[watfly]

Why do they "need to commit one way or the other"? Because you don't like it? Wouldn't you just object that the different term (Xe/Xim Andorian style) is just more ridiculous?

I was being a sarcastic, mostly. As my wife says "there is truth in every sarcasm", although, usually only when I make a sarcastic remark directed towards her. So in that vein I don't believe that a singular person can be more than one person . So the manner in which its being used by gender neutrals, it has historically been accepted as plural, despite the fact its a singular person.

You have a bad habit of jumping to the pejorative reason when you disagree with someone's opinion. I clearly said it is "confusing, misleading and not grammatically correct", not because I don't like it.

 

[crush]

As previously mentioned, there seems to be a trans-autism link. The number of mass shooters who are trans is actually not that large. The number of shooters who are male autism, however, is much larger. You don't have a trans problem here. You have an autism problem.

Furthermore, it's come out that the georgia school shooter was gay, was on the spectrum, and was mercilessly bullied. You want a war? You want to make the trans kid a "target" like Slobi wants on the soccer field? You really prepared for the casualty (because in any war, there's no guarantee you'll win)?

Finally, the bathroom issue is really an easy fix and no it has nothing to do with chromosomes. If you do a bright line chromosome test, you'll just have a FTM in the bathroom and your DD will have to be yelling "eek a penis". So that doesn't work. It's a simple penis no penis test with private facilities for kids made available who don't feel comfortable for various reasons.

How many mass shootings have been carried out by transgender people?

At least four mass shootings since 2018 have been carried out by perpetrators who do not identify with their birth gender, sparking an online debate.

www.newsweek.com

Alleged Georgia school shooter Colt Gray was ‘ridiculed’ by classmates, frequently called ‘gay’: father

Colt Gray was frequently called “gay” by bullies, including some who physically harassed him, his father told investigators in a 2023 phone call.

nypost.com

Nonsense. Here's the truth for today's children. The have been jabbed more than any children ever in the history of civilization. These kids are also being groomed by their parents, teachers and told it's ok to cut off your boys balls to be a gurl. That's insane. The fact is, these dudes not only have a penis to come to school as a gurl, but some also have guns that will shoot anyone that disagrees with their choice. Colt's Papa bought him a gun as a birthday present.

 

[Grace T.]

I was being a sarcastic, mostly. As my wife says "there is truth in every sarcasm", although, usually only when I make a sarcastic remark directed towards her. So in that vein I don't believe that a singular person can be more than one person . So the manner in which its being used by gender neutrals, it has historically been accepted as plural, despite the fact its a singular person.

You have a bad habit of jumping to the pejorative reason when you disagree with someone's opinion. I clearly said it is "confusing, misleading and not grammatically correct", not because I don't like it.

You don’t like it because it’s “confusing, misleading and not grammatically correct”. Because otherwise logically the conclusion is you do like it, or are at least neutral, so therefore wouldn’t have a problem with it, since it’s no skin off your nose. I further put it to you that you likely would have more of an issue if they insisted on xi/xem (which btw is where most of the hr rules for large corps seem to be breaking: use he/she/they or don’t use a pronoun but their preferred name…do neither and you don’t work here any more…this battle contrary to sports has been resounding lost by the slobi side already).

Here’s the decision making you got to make: how much do I care? Am I going to respect my work colleague/neighbor/fellow citizen and not hurt their feelings over something which to me is confusing, misleading and grammatically incorrect, or does my being right seem more important? As I wrote, it’s narcissism all the way down.

 

[Grace T.]

Nonsense. Here's the truth for today's children. The have been jabbed more than any children ever in the history of civilization. These kids are also being groomed by their parents, teachers and told it's ok to cut off your boys balls to be a gurl. That's insane. The fact is, these dudes not only have a penis to come to school as a gurl, but some also have guns that will shoot anyone that disagrees with their choice. Colt's Papa bought him a gun as a birthday present.

I point out that’s not the entire story here. The Georgia shooter was relentlessly bullied for who he was. Not saying that excuses it. But if you want to go to war, better be prepared to pay for the casualties. Buying a gun for a bullied aspie who was already flagged as an issue seems also like an incredibly stupid thing to do and the papa has already been arrested and will likely (rightly so) face charges

 

[crush]

You don’t like it because it’s “confusing, misleading and not grammatically correct”. Because otherwise logically the conclusion is you do like it, or are at least neutral, so therefore wouldn’t have a problem with it, since it’s no skin off your nose. I further put it to you that you likely would have more of an issue if they insisted on xi/xem (which btw is where most of the hr rules for large corps seem to be breaking: use he/she/they or don’t use a pronoun but their preferred name…do neither and you don’t work here any more…this battle contrary to sports has been resounding lost by the slobi side already).

Here’s the decision making you got to make: how much do I care? Am I going to respect my work colleague/neighbor/fellow citizen and not hurt their feelings over something which to me is confusing, misleading and grammatically incorrect, or does my being right seem more important? As I wrote, it’s narcissism all the way down.

Get back to the topic at hand. Should we allow boys who claim for any reason they a gurl and now on the girl's team and compete against the other gurls. After beating up on the gurls, they are rewarded with taking showers with them. This utter nonsense and you know it. All your writings are BS and that's why you left the Kitchen because it caught to hot for you and your nonsense. Sorry, it's the truth.

 

[Grace T.]

Get back to the topic at hand. Should we allow boys who claim for any reason they a gurl and now on the girl's team and compete against the other gurls. After beating up on the gurls, they are rewarded with taking showers with them. This utter nonsense and you know it. All your writings are BS and that's why you left the Kitchen because it caught to hot for you and your nonsense. Sorry, it's the truth.

I already laid out my middle ground test. I’m not even taking the extremist position saying full inclusion. Indeed if my middle ground test were adopted, it would likely result in the full exclusion of mtf and ftm from most individual womens sports, most certainly at the highest levels, but with alternate accommodations. It’s NOT my side which is taking extremist positions like making a trans youth at a soccer game a target or beating up a trans individual in a bathroom.

Btb I lurk in the kitchen from time to time. Not the reason. This topic interests me because it intersects sports and ethical philosophy. Could care less about your election battles…..

 

[crush]

I point out that’s not the entire story here. The Georgia shooter was relentlessly bullied for who he was. Not saying that excuses it. But if you want to go to war, better be prepared to pay for the casualties. Buying a gun for a bullied aspie who was already flagged as an issue seems also like an incredibly stupid thing to do and the papa has already been arrested and will likely (rightly so) face charges

I was bullied big time as a youth. I told you I had a speech impediment and was laughed at all the time when I was forced to read out loud. It was class fun when I was about to be forced to read out loud. I took my vengeance out on those who laughed at me in class on the playground. I kicked their asses in sport, not with a gun, big difference. You are grasping at straws again because your wrong. The trans epidemic is caused by the jabs, that's my theory.

 

[watfly]

You don’t like it because it’s “confusing, misleading and not grammatically correct”. Because otherwise logically the conclusion is you do like it, or are at least neutral, so therefore wouldn’t have a problem with it, since it’s no skin off your nose. I further put it to you that you likely would have more of an issue if they insisted on xi/xem (which btw is where most of the hr rules for large corps seem to be breaking: use he/she/they or don’t use a pronoun but their preferred name…do neither and you don’t work here any more…this battle contrary to sports has been resounding lost by the slobi side already).

Here’s the decision making you got to make: how much do I care? Am I going to respect my work colleague/neighbor/fellow citizen and not hurt their feelings over something which to me is confusing, misleading and grammatically incorrect, or does my being right seem more important? As I wrote, it’s narcissism all the way down.

You just can't debate anymore without putting words in other peoples mouth, pathetic. I explicitly stated that they should come up with another term. Yet, you still claim I wouldn't accept that term. Try debating based on the merits of your point, not on the mischaracterizations of other's opinions.

It's my bad, I should have quit when I said I did the first time.

 

[crush]

I already laid out my middle ground test. I’m not even taking the extremist position saying full inclusion. Indeed if my middle ground test were adopted, it would likely result in the full exclusion of mtf and ftm from most individual womens sports, most certainly at the highest levels, but with alternate accommodations. It’s NOT my side which is taking extremist positions like making a trans youth at a soccer game a target or beating up a trans individual in a bathroom.

Most is not never. Never!!!

 

[Grace T.]

You just can't debate anymore without putting words in other peoples mouth, pathetic. I explicitly stated that they should come up with another term. Yet, you still claim I wouldn't accept that term. Try debating based on the merits of your point, not on the mischaracterizations of other's opinions.

It's my bad, I should have quit when I said I did the first time.

I’m just saying you (general man on the street) probably have more of a problem with xe xim. This is NOT my first rodeo on this issue. I was JUST in an hr forum where this topic was discussed and the biggest objection came to made up pronouns. If that’s not YOU and you’d be perfectly happy with a made up pronoun well good for you (I myself am very unhappy with Latinx which I consider racist). I’ll take you at your word. I’m just surprised because you are the exception on this one particular sub issue.

 

[crush]

I already laid out my middle ground test. I’m not even taking the extremist position saying full inclusion. Indeed if my middle ground test were adopted, it would likely result in the full exclusion of mtf and ftm from most individual womens sports, most certainly at the highest levels, but with alternate accommodations. It’s NOT my side which is taking extremist positions like making a trans youth at a soccer game a target or beating up a trans individual in a bathroom.

Btb I lurk in the kitchen from time to time. Not the reason. This topic interests me because it intersects sports and ethical philosophy. Could care less about your election battles…..

I know you don't care about election battles, but crush does. If Trump wins, it will be illegal to cut your kids balls off and if your doctor performs such a surgery, the Doc will get eye for an eye and his balls will be chopped off. If Kamala wins, then you can kill your child up to 9 months. If baby survives, you can chop off his' balls so he can be she. This is Dr. Frankenstein on steroids.

 

[Grace T.]

I was bullied big time as a youth. I told you I had a speech impediment and was laughed at all the time when I was forced to read out loud. It was class fun when I was about to be forced to read out loud. I took my vengeance out on those who laughed at me in class on the playground. I kicked their asses in sport, not with a gun, big difference. You are grasping at straws again because your wrong. The trans epidemic is caused by the jabs, that's my theory.

Only if autism is caused by the jabs.

well i point out you were lucky because you were bigger, athletic and all around cool. What about those that weren’t? Sure my elder brother was a scrawny little thing who was mercilessly bullied until he took up jujitsu and in his sophomore year beat up a bully twice his size that tried to stuff him in a locker. But not all kids are that lucky. In my class there was this fat kid the jocks (with the encouragement of the coaches) would throw in the trash every day for a year. In life you can be a sheep, a wolf or a sheepdog…the problem is we have too many of the first two…when a woman is bullied on the subway they put their heads down on their phone…everyone’s got to decide crush…which are you?…what would you do if you saw the trans kid “targeted”

 

[crush]

Only if autism is caused by the jabs.

well i point out you were lucky because you were bigger, athletic and all around cool. What about those that weren’t? Sure my elder brother was a scrawny little thing who was mercilessly bullied until he took up jujitsu and in his sophomore year beat up a bully twice his size that tried to stuff him in a locker. But not all kids are that lucky. In my class there was this fat kid the jocks (with the encouragement of the coaches) would throw in the trash every day for a year. In life you can be a sheep, a wolf or a sheepdog…the problem is we have too many of the first two…when a woman is bullied on the subway they put their heads down on their phone…everyone’s got to decide crush…which are you?…what would you do if you saw the trans kid “targeted”

Bigger? You have no clue on what you're talking about. I was the smallest kid in my class as a youth. However, it was my competitive spirit that was bigger. I was cool and the class clown and most of the students loved me. Teachers didn't know what to do with crush. I am not for bullies but if you get bullied, getting a gun and shooting the class is not the way to seek revenge. If I saw any kid get bullied, I was stand in for them, trans or not. I hate bullies. My issue is the fake trans dude that is taking advantage of this issue and going into the girl's restroom looking to cause harm to a real girl. The girls are not bullying the trans, their asking for privacy for God sakes. You're a twister writer and flat out wrong.

 

[watfly]

I’m just saying you (general man on the street) probably have more of a problem with xe xim. This is NOT my first rodeo on this issue. I was JUST in an hr forum where this topic was discussed and the biggest objection came to made up pronouns. If that’s not YOU and you’d be perfectly happy with a made up pronoun well good for you (I myself am very unhappy with Latinx which I consider racist). I’ll take you at your word. I’m just surprised because you are the exception on this one particular sub issue.

I have more of an objection to changing the meanings of common words than I have to "made-up" pronouns. Thoughtful and accurate communication is critical to the functioning of society. New words are added to our lexicon all the time. If my liquor store gets robbed and I say that "they robbed my store at gunpoint" and it was only one individual, that is not helpful to the cops, me or the general public.

As a kid I had really long hair, I was mis-gendered all the time. Guess what I survived just fine. Most mis-genderings are unintentional. It's a sad state of affairs if we have to confirm someone's gender before we engage with them.

I say lets call everyone by their first or last names. That's far more polite and personal, and it takes the same amount of time to ask someone their name as it does to ask them their pronouns. Problem solved.

Just a random observation, a couple years ago I saw more email signature blocks (not a lot) with the preferred pronouns designated than I see today. In fact, I don't recall the last time I saw that. I think that trend is disappearing.

 

[Grace T.]

I have more of an objection to changing the meanings of common words than I have to "made-up" pronouns. Thoughtful and accurate communication is critical to the functioning of society. New words are added to our lexicon all the time. If my liquor store gets robbed and I say that "they robbed my store at gunpoint" and it was only one individual, that is not helpful to the cops, me or the general public.

As a kid I had really long hair, I was mis-gendered all the time. Guess what I survived just fine. Most mis-genderings are unintentional. It's a sad state of affairs if we have to confirm someone's gender before we engage with them.

I say lets call everyone by their first or last names. That's far more polite and personal, and it takes the same amount of time to ask someone their name as it does to ask them their pronouns. Problem solved.

Just a random observation, a couple years ago I saw more email signature blocks (not a lot) with the preferred pronouns designated than I see today. In fact, I don't recall the last time I saw that. I think that trend is disappearing.

That’s fair. Again I just point out you are in the minority here. It was intended as an honest question (note the question mark) not making an assumption. But apologies if it came across as such an assumption. Most people have a bigger problem with the made up pronouns.

I agree with you about using names and that’s the advice hr seems to be giving out these days. There was a case I read about recently where someone used “dear colleague” instead and that was found not to be acceptable, to be work place bullying, because the writer did not refer to others as “dear colleague” and only singled out this one person for said treatment.

The signature block thing is because there was a survey that said employers tend to flag such individuals as problem, mostly likely narcissistic individuals.

As I said, the real issue is it’s narcissism all the way down whether insisting “I’m a woman” or “targeting” trans teens.

 

[crush]

I have more of an objection to changing the meanings of common words than I have to "made-up" pronouns. Thoughtful and accurate communication is critical to the functioning of society. New words are added to our lexicon all the time. If my liquor store gets robbed and I say that "they robbed my store at gunpoint" and it was only one individual, that is not helpful to the cops, me or the general public.

As a kid I had really long hair, I was mis-gendered all the time. Guess what I survived just fine. Most mis-genderings are unintentional. It's a sad state of affairs if we have to confirm someone's gender before we engage with them.

I say lets call everyone by their first or last names. That's far more polite and personal, and it takes the same amount of time to ask someone their name as it does to ask them their pronouns. Problem solved.

Just a random observation, a couple years ago I saw more email signature blocks (not a lot) with the preferred pronouns designated than I see today. In fact, I don't recall the last time I saw that. I think that trend is disappearing.

I had long blond hair as a kid, and many thought I was girl. It's why I picked New Wave Dave to be one of my avatars on here.

 

[watfly]

There was a case I read about recently where someone used “dear colleague” instead and that was found not to be acceptable, to be work place bullying, because the writer did not refer to others as “dear colleague” and only singled out this one person for said treatment.

We should all strive to do our best, but I hope you would agree that getting back to the concept from our childhood "of sticks and stones will break our bones, but names will never hurt us" to some extent would be good for society. The whole pronoun issue has been blown way out of proportion and has gotten on a bridge too far.

 

[crush]

Grace say's to keep it up watty if you want a war. Hello, were already at war. It's the MAPs, MTFs and Pedos that started this. Just wait folks, you will all be shown who has been playing a woman when they were actually a male. They are trying to make this lifestyle normal. The Germans did this in the old days. Women were not allowed to be actors, so the men got to play the role of a lady and they liked the feeling and the attention, although they were ugly as hell. No man can be a gurl. This is complete nonsense and needs to be outlawed. Read history about WW2 and the men being gurls.

 

[Grace T.]

We should all strive to do our best, but I hope you would agree that getting back to the concept from our childhood "of sticks and stones will break our bones, but names will never hurt us" to some extent would be good for society. The whole pronoun issue has been blown way out of proportion and has gotten on a bridge too far.

Disagree with you there. While kids are no longer allowed to throw each other in trash cans without the admin doing something, there still seems to be a bullying problem. And having seen my brother go through it, I can tell you you wouldn’t say “sticks and stones” if you had gone through it…some like crush are lucky enough to be strong enough to stand up to it…but what if you aren’t?. If anything, I think the situation is worse because (including both political sides) have lost empathy. I mean my god “targeting” a youth should be beyond the pale for everyone. And the mass shooter issue is fundamentally an autism, bullying, lack of sheep dogs, infrastructure and gun problem far before it’s a trans problem from just the plain numbers.

 

[Grace T.]

Grace say's to keep it up watty if you want a war. Hello, were already at war. It's the MAPs, MTFs and Pedos that started this. Just wait folks, you will all be shown who has been playing a woman when they were actually a male. They are trying to make this lifestyle normal. The Germans did this in the old days. Women were not allowed to be actors, so the men got to play the role of a lady and they liked the feeling and the attention, although they were ugly as hell. No man can be a gurl. This is complete nonsense and needs to be outlawed. Read history about WW2 and the men being gurls.

Omg crush please tell me you just didn’t go full nazi and cite cabaret that the nazis were right????? PLEASE tell me that’s not what you meant.

 

[crush]

Omg crush please tell me you just didn’t go full nazi and cite cabaret that the nazis were right????? PLEASE tell me that’s not what you meant.

Artist Martin Dammann had intended to research soldiers' lives in the Third Reich, and ended up stumbling across a surprising number of amateur photographs of Nazi conscripts dressed as women. They show Nazi soldiers in everything from bras and dresses to home-made crop-tops and skirts created from blankets.