This clown just got his job back at the Clown News Network. As long as boys to men say, "I feel like a woman" you can be a gurl.
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If supporting an X vs Y standard is fence sitting, than guilty as charged. As far as a 3rd category for x or y with T abnormalities and MTF's, I couldn't care less if someone wants to compete in such a league. I just think its a pipe dream to think that activist MTFs are going to accept competing in an accommodation, Special Olympics style competitive league like what GraceT has proposed. Nor do I think low T men are just going to volunteer to compete in such a league.
I love you man. The fence part was totally satire. Some people take me to serious and then report me to the proper authorities. I was a handful walking into Stater Bros during the mask compliance or you can't shop for food. I would sneak by the manager many times not wearing my mask. If they can force a grown man to obey the mask, then father will most likely go along with this BS in girls' sports. No man can be gurl, end of the debate!!!
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I don't know why, but seeing photos of this guy helps me understand why it's possible for men to have babies.
FINA tried creating a competition to accommodate MTF trans swimmers. Zero people chose to apply.
Swimming World Cup open category debut fails to attract single entrant
World Aquatics has shelved plans to debut an open category designed to accommodate transgender athletes at its Swimming World Cup in Germany's capital...
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That kills the argument that “they just want to compete.”. When given a chance to compete as equals, none of them wanted it.
FINA tried creating a competition to accommodate MTF trans swimmers. Zero people chose to apply.
Swimming World Cup open category debut fails to attract single entrant
World Aquatics has shelved plans to debut an open category designed to accommodate transgender athletes at its Swimming World Cup in Germany's capital...
That kills the argument that “they just want to compete.”. When given a chance to compete as equals, none of them wanted it.
No, that's not the entire story. The timeline on this is as late as August 2023 there were still only two divisions on the table--- the "open" category which would include men and the women's category (with new restricted rules that would rule ineligible most mtf [unless they had transitioned by age 12], ftm [if they had been on testosterone during puberty or for more than a year] and some female presenting women with various hormone conditions). Lawsuits were threatened (and I think filed) in various jurisdictions. The move to break up the category into 3 came in late September 2023/early October 2023 as a result and came with a bunch of conditions, including that it wasn't made clear until the last few weeks what the guidelines would be in the open category (I was for example never able to confirm from the press articles if cis men are excluded in the open category). Yes, many of the trans activists refused to go along, hoping for a better deal pending lawsuits. That's one factor in the zero signups, true. Another factor was the short 2 month window in getting signups including national federation representation. A third factor was building up a critical mass of participants in that two month period. So, yes you have a point they could have gotten it off the ground if the trans activist community had gotten behind it, Thomas had joined in, and every org had rushed it through. But the other reality is it was a last minute half hearted lawsuit protection which gives them the equal access argument. Ultimately the swimming issue is going to be resolved in the [probably European] courts (though if Harris wins and takes the Senate too, it might be fast tracked in the US courts).
BTW, it was pointed out to me by a sports writer friend of mine as to why FINA and the trans community are both terrified of the third category (and why hence the reluctance on both sides to go along to build anything more than lawsuit protection). The theory on FINA's side, which they do have a lot of data to back up, is that due to male puberty the playing field is not level. So, theoretically, if this is true, it should be possible to scientifically build a category where the speed times are superior to the women's category in this intermediate open (to all but cis men) category because after all the FTM and MTF have an undue advantage. But if the numbers, due to participation limits, come back and they are substantially lower or equivalent to the women's category event, then that gives the trans activists the evidence they need to prevail in court (and all because lower level athletes signed up and could compete in this category....hence the strictness in FINA's qualifying standards, knowing very few people would be eligible to sign up). If on the other hand, you got a robust trans sign up of athletes and they blew the women's times out of the water (ha ha!), that would be robust evidence of the non level playing field, and it would settle the issue for all time (and not just potentially in swimming but many other sports). So, game theory states its in the interest of neither participant to get this thing off the ground, but for FINA to have a theoretical third category as lawsuit protection, which is what we got.
Did I mention you must be a lot of fun on a date?
Oh, so it's important to trannies to have a level playing field?
2 months is more than enough time to place a phone call to FINA and say “I’m in”. It’s not like FINA was going to make the process tough on anyone who expressed interest.
That category isn’t going away. Anyone who actually just wants to compete can enter any time they like.
This may be the way forward. Create a league for trans athletes. Let them enter if they feel like it. Print up some plastic trophies to hand out.
This is the biggest obstacle, of many, in creating a 3rd category. Any MTF trying to compete against women, is by action an activist. They're simply not going to accept competing in a Special Olympics style competition.
I don't think this is wrong. However, as I pointed out, FINA also has a huge stake in it not working out and why they set the eligibility bar fairly high in such a short time period. If non-elite athletes did join in, and then the timed numbers tanked, the activists that held out and didn't participate would say "see the playing field was always level". In this particular instance, both sides were throwing wrenches to make sure it didn't work....though I agree with you as what is the "biggest" of those obstacles. As I said, however, ultimately the courts will settle it...most likely in Europe though possibly in the US if the federal venue is friendly (depends on the election)
Yes, they did, because of the requirement for national affiliate. My niece's high school has a mtf transgendered swimmer. She just can't call up FINA and say "I'm in". She has to go through the national affiliate.
I question whether the National/International sport-specific organizations would be the appropriate or the most qualified entity to administer these competitions. Is FINA and IAAF involved in administering other accommodation competitions, like SO, for their particular sport?
Even if the courts rule against MTF, I don't know if the demand or the desire exists for a 3rd category. I also don't see X's with low T or female DSD having a strong interest either. Courts or no courts, I think a 3rd category is a subjective nightmare in terms of attempting to level the playing field.
IMO the Courts only end it if they rule in favor of MTF's. Otherwise, the MTF's will continue to find Courts that will rule in their favor. For that matter, biological females will probably do the same thing.
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As soon as stealing the women’s trophy is no longer an option, I think you’ll see people willing to compete in a trans category.
It won’t be Thomas. It will be some XY athlete you’ve never heard of, but who dropped out of swimming because they didn’t feel competing as a woman was fair.
Ohh no @crush are you on new meds ? What’s going on? I thought you were on the right side of the fence with this
your mind is not working today.According to Gemeni no Trans woman has been able to give birth. Only a trans man has been able to give birth but there is a doctor in India attempting to do the first uterus transplant on a trans woman. This is very confusing but it makes sense that a trans man was able to give birth because he is a biological female. My interpretation of this is that we have turned the man and woman reference into a costume legally & literally, a legal man or legal woman could be used as a fancy term for a costume nowadays that people try to wear and normalize in the process as trans woman and trans man. This is really bizarre and strange. But it’s for real 
Nature is nature and one cannot go against it and say this process is normal.
Nature is nature and one cannot go against it and say this process is normal.
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