Actually there does seem to be a correlation between investment in sport and outcome. Whether the U.S. and China at the top of the Olympic table, of the sums the top 5 pay for players in the epl. While the correlation is harder one to one on the individual level, on the aggregate macro level it’s outlined in the soccer economics book how investment and performance are correlated.That's the worst argument I've ever heard. First of all, Messi is still 5' 3" and 110 lbs. If anything, his waist being 12" from the ground is an advantage. Ian Thorpe and Michael Phelps are both males with all the same access to training, diet and hormones. Phelps hooking up with trannies might sway the odds a little, but I can't say that's an advantage. Oh wait... probably the same testosterone intake for both, there, too.
And since we know it's not always the 'richest countries' winning everything, you can toss that one out, too. Shoe technology? Don't all athletes at the top levels have access to the "fastest" shoes?
Afterall... You can't spell Semenya without "semen".
This has actually be litigated in the sports arbitration courts and the Swiss courts so it has been legally documented. I do point out if she were forced to compete with xy men on full testosterone and that had gone through male puberty, she would not be competing anywhere near her current levels and would likely need to dope up on t to get anywhere near where the average cis male is producing, unless she were to compete against either aged males or men with a testosterone deficiency.I didn’t believe this so I asked Gemeni… and Gemini says: That’s why her T levels
are within the male range. Cause she’s a man
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A simple X or Y test is the simplest way to solve this and I would be all for this but I feel bad for the woke libs so I was at least trying to give them something to chew on. But the X or Y test is the simplest way to solve it. It goes with nature you either a man or a woman. It’s yes or no.Is this "right" or "fair" to require someone to take a serious biology changing medication to compete? Did you know that in international track and field that the IAAF testosterone test only applies to women athletes with a DSD condition? Non-DSD women with excessive levels of T are not required to reduce their T with T suppressants. If high T is a performance enhancer than its seems arbitrary to apply the rule to only certain woman. This is not to mention that the level of T that disqualifies someone from competition is subjective. Who gets to decide how masculine is too masculine?
Also the IAAF rules on high T only applies to certain events. For instance it applies to the 400m but not the 200m. For setting rules of competition this just seem far too arbitrary and why I favor a simple X and Y test.
I shared this before Veritas and it's worth repeating. My wife's friends' husband is a cross dresser and nothing more than that. He's actually not a bad looking woman. He says everyone thinks he's a woman when he's out looking for attention and guys hit on him all the time, they think he's a a lady and that's the joy he receives to deceive. He doesn't like men at all, just loves the attention. He's a better-looking guy, moo. His legs are 100% feminine and that's why it's impossible to think he's a man. The guys playing sports as women is different altogether.Back in the day a case like Semenya would have been considered a hermaphrodite or a true transsexual. Which is basically a man that is born with female genitals or both. Today they are called intersex which is still a man with female or both male and female genetalia. They should not be competing with cisgender females. The XX rule would easily solve this problem. That’s why I feel the safest bet to make it fair for progressives is to have the other category. It’s either that or be excluded from participation but we cannot put these individuals in the cis women category.
Also today’s trans woman is basically what we used to call a transvestite or cross dresser. Trans woman is just a glorified term of that. Some keep their pistol and others go all the way. But the one thing they all have in common is that they dress up as women and now believe they are womenthat’s where the mental illness part comes into play. The ones that now believe they are women. View attachment 22896
Very good point Crush. Most trans woman are just that cross dressers and the ones with a mental illness that cannot accept reality believe they are really women inside their delusional minds. These are the dangerous ones like Lia Thomas who truly believe that they now have all the rights as a woman because their mental sickness says so and this administration is trying to normalize and empower their mental illness with their slick propaganda. This is how I feel nowadays. Pictures speaks 1000 wordsI shared this before Veritas and it's worth repeating. My wife's friends' husband is a cross dresser and nothing more than that. He's actually not a bad looking woman. He says everyone thinks he's a woman when he's out looking for attention and guys hit on him all the time, they think he's a a lady and that's the joy he receives to deceive. He doesn't like men at all, just loves the attention. He's a better-looking guy, moo. His legs are 100% feminine and that's why it's impossible to think he's a man. The guys playing sports as women is different altogether.
This is just ignorance and bigotry. first off a cross dresser is not necessarily a trans individual. Some may be performers, some may be gay, some may be trans in waiting. Second there’s a lot of data that suggests that trans individuals have different brain structures than cis individuals and those differences resemble those of the opposite biological sex. Third there’s data that suggests there’s an autism linkVery good point Crush. Most trans woman are just that cross dressers and the ones with a mental illness that cannot accept reality believe they are really women inside their delusional minds. These are the dangerous ones like Lia Thomas who truly believe that they now have all the rights as a woman because their mental sickness says so and this administration is trying to normalize and empower their mental illness with their slick propaganda. This is how I feel nowadays. Pictures speaks 1000 words View attachment 22897
This is just ignorance and bigotry. first off a cross dresser is not necessarily a trans individual. Some may be performers, some may be gay, some may be trans in waiting. Second there’s a lot of data that suggests that trans individuals have different brain structures than cis individuals and those differences resemble those of the opposite biological sex. Third there’s data that suggests there’s an autism link Now you might be willing to suggest that someone with autism has a mental illness (and as someone on the spectrum I’d take extreme umbrage to that). You might also be willing to suggest that a kid with adhd has a mental illness. Perhaps given your picture you might even be willing to suggest someone who is gay has a mental illness. While psychology used to qualify these conditions as mental illnesses it has moved away from that thinking towards understanding while these might be neurological or structural differences with the brain, or even mental conditions, they are certainly not illness. Moreover at least when it comes to trans individuals there is no known treatment for the condition that ease it. Most of them aren’t delusion…they don’t think their chromosomes magically warp to the opposite gender…but there is something physiologically different to them. Your post reeks of anti gay bigotry. Your post reeks of disability bigotry. While it is certainly possible for reasonable people to disagree on the exact accommodations offered trans people, this is not cool. Dare you to show your children this post. It’s offensive. And btw if you find yourself nodding along to his post, it says something about whether you are one of the good guys.
No Grace I’m just tired of all the nonsense. All the new terms, made up words and all the let’s just stick this new pseudo science in your face in the name of progressivism and Neo scholars. Im done with this state and as soon as my daughters graduate I’m going back to Texas.
Fair enough… it’s one thing to have rights and I’m all for peoples individual rights and for them expressing themselves in whatever way they like but when you force these radical views down peoples throats and you don’t give back the same respect that they themselves seek then you can assure people will fight back and you will see lots of conservatives lose it and become irrational like lefties. Things like forcing ideologies and narratives in public schools to our children or forcing men in women’s sports etc. you will see people fight back and become irrational in the process.I get the frustration with progressivism. I’m sympathetic. My sports position is moderate and I don’t believe in drag shows for kids either or pre transitioned boys in the girls locker room. But facts are facts: the large portion of trans people that transition are not cross dressers out for shits and giggles (have you read about the procedure…it’s horrifying), and this quite clearly has a physiological basis even if it’s just autism related. That doesn’t change the fact that your post was anti gay, anti disability and ignorant. I hear you on the frustration but you should be ashamed of that post. I’d venture your kids probably would be ashamed of it and most certainly your grandkids should you be lucky enough to have them. You can have a reasoned position on the issues (which isn’t bigotry) without sinking into something offensive to numerous groups of people beyond just the trans.
Fair enough…but as I said I admire your intellectual chops and you are better than what just did.Fair enough… it’s one thing to have rights and I’m all for peoples individual rights and for them expressing themselves in whatever way they like but when you force these radical views down peoples throats and you don’t give back the same respect that they themselves seek then you can assure people will fight back and you will see lots of conservatives lose it and become irrational like lefties. Things like forcing ideologies and narratives in public schools to our children or forcing men in women’s sports etc. you will see people fight back and become irrational in the process.
What is Lia Grace? I agree with you regarding the performance part. Most of the MTFs and Drag Queen performers love acting and being at the center of attention. The Trans like Lia trying to play sports with and against the girls is a big problem. 6 4' lady and packing a pistol. I have no problem with Drag Queen performers, cross dressers, gay or straight. The guy I know is not gay, he just loves to dress up like a lady. My problem is a dude playing volleyball and causing one girl to have brain damage. You have to see the difference, Grace. The last part is the deceit part.This is just ignorance and bigotry. first off a cross dresser is not necessarily a trans individual. Some may be performers, some may be gay, some may be trans in waiting. Second there’s a lot of data that suggests that trans individuals have different brain structures than cis individuals and those differences resemble those of the opposite biological sex. Third there’s data that suggests there’s an autism link
100%. The Christian Nationalist on Truth Social expects America to go back to church every Sunday at 10am or else. These guys and their women are hardcore traditionalist. Dad works and mom stays home to cook, clean, change diapers and is always ready for play time when hubby gives her that look, and she best be ready. Many of these families have 6+ kids. I think this lifestyle scares the lefties, especially weak men and selfish women who would rather have an abortion. I'm being dramatic here to make a point bro. Personally, I just want to be left alone. I'm so for, "to each his own and freedom." However, Lia is not freedom. Lia is a cheater and a total loser, and the NCAA helped her beat women. Not only is she a loser, but she is also packing a big pistol that rivals "Big Mike." Riley Gaines was forced to see this one eye beast. The fact I'm writing about this on a soccer forum is insane. Our women's soccer team has committed to the first openly MTF player. I'm not sure who that will be, but she will take a spot from a real biological woman and that pisses me off. These girls work so hard and to have a Lia go from the Men's team to the girls' team is morally wrong. I do believe some males have snuck in the game with the tuck and will be revealed at the proper time. Some MTFs infiltrated politics as well Veritas.Fair enough… it’s one thing to have rights and I’m all for peoples individual rights and for them expressing themselves in whatever way they like but when you force these radical views down peoples throats and you don’t give back the same respect that they themselves seek then you can assure people will fight back and you will see lots of conservatives lose it and become irrational like lefties. Things like forcing ideologies and narratives in public schools to our children or forcing men in women’s sports etc. you will see people fight back and become irrational in the process.
Very true crush. I hope the Lia Thomas situation never repeats again. To think they allowed it was insane. Women need to stand together and boycott these MTF participants. They need to fight for their right to real women only sports100%. The Christian Nationalist on Truth Social expects America to go back to church every Sunday at 10am or else. These guys and their women are hardcore traditionalist. Dad works and mom stays home to cook, clean, change diapers and is always ready for play time when hubby gives her that look, and she best be ready. Many of these families have 6+ kids. I think this lifestyle scares the lefties, especially weak men and selfish women who would rather have an abortion. I'm being dramatic here to make a point bro. Personally, I just want to be left alone. I'm so for, "to each his own and freedom." However, Lia is not freedom. Lia is a cheater and a total loser, and the NCAA helped her beat women. Not only is she a loser, but she is also packing a big pistol that rivals "Big Mike." Riley Gaines was forced to see this one eye beast. The fact I'm writing about this on a soccer forum is insane. Our women's soccer team has committed to the first openly MTF player. I'm not sure who that will be, but she will take a spot from a real biological woman and that pisses me off. These girls work so hard and to have a Lia go from the Men's team to the girls' team is morally wrong. I do believe some males have snuck in the game with the tuck and will be revealed at the proper time. Some MTFs infiltrated politics as well Veritas.
wrt the last piece, I like the system in countries like the UK & Ireland. National syllabus for every course, national exams, grades correlate to scores, and courses have a score to attend. You know what score you need to get (although it can go up based on demand) to do the course you want, so go for it. None of this total and absolute BS about essays and service hours and extracurricular activities that students have to do to apply for colleges, ffs!!!This position kinda makes sense. If athletics is just about health and recreation, on the one hand, or entertainment and making the buck on the other, it lowers the stakes drastically. It would upend title ix, as well as athletic preferences for colleges, but your position is consistent that way. If you believe the telos of sport is not about merit but at worst just a recreational activity and best a best in show dog contest (which also involves some prep and investment on the part of the owner) this is logically consistent. Good point.
Out of curiosity, what’s your take on awarding merits such as college admissions based on iq tests (like the sat) or grades and course work (Rawls argues even studiousness is a genetic gift)? Not a gotcha. Just intrigued by the argument as i agree if athletics is not about merits it doesn’t matter.
I just saw a one-armed freestyle swim race. What incredible athletes, they'd probably beat Phelps if they had two arms.Well that’s typically how disability law works. Accommodations aren’t perfect. For example we require installation of handicapped accessible bathrooms in all new and remodeled public bathrooms but not (most) older public ones or private homes.
Details tbd and subject to fluctuation re acceptable levels (which btw ftms are already policed in higher competition because testosterone is a ped…we actually are doing this for them already). Up until 5 years ago scientists thought you could compensate for male puberty through suppressants but in at least track and swimming we now know that’s wrong. Adjustments will need to be made along the way. Some like soccer might not reach critical mass. But a short bus is better than no bus and it will dramatically improve the situation of ftm who right now are stuck.
More complicated than that. She's XY, with a vagina. Born that way.She has been suspended for life by WBO and gets no prize money. If she truly is a biological female with a real vagina, I will be the first to eat crow and say sorry and say, "I was wrong." This would be illegal as well and flat out wrong. Based on what my eyes see and what I have read, she was born he biologically, but the old man wanted a girl. He is beating the shit out of the girls and that's not fair, especially in boxing for Gods sakes.
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Shes allegedly XY, zero proof has been provided.More complicated than that. She's XY, with a vagina. Born that way.
Many of our colleges and universities are sitting on multi billion dollar endowments yet still charge exorbitant amounts for tuition and in some cases room and board. They should be taxed on those endowments or restricted from govenment funding if they dont spend a certain percentage on reducing tuition costs. I understand that there are restrictions on some gifts but I believe it could be done in a number ways, even just with interest or investment income.wrt the last piece, I like the system in countries like the UK & Ireland. National syllabus for every course, national exams, grades correlate to scores, and courses have a score to attend. You know what score you need to get (although it can go up based on demand) to do the course you want, so go for it. None of this total and absolute BS about essays and service hours and extracurricular activities that students have to do to apply for colleges, ffs!!!
As for paying for it, the countries above have some costs, but nothing like here (nobody has anything like the US). Australia for example (afaik) has free college, but a grad tax, so you still pay, but only once you have graduated and entered the work force.
I like this idea wattyI just saw a one-armed freestyle swim race. What incredible athletes, they'd probably beat Phelps if they had two arms.
Which brings me to my point. It seems that Special Olympics would be the perfect fit for your T based league. It already has the infrastrucuture and they would just be adding one additional category to their programs. Its also consistent with your position that DSD and TG is comparable with other conditions like impaired vision. With a SO division for the blind, a DSD/TG division would be a natural extension of the SO existing divisions.