'23-'24 SoCal and National Forecast and Updates

SuperSoccerStar said:
There never was a debate.
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I think some still want to believe differently…I was never on that side but I did think the top teams could compete with ECNL top teams.

This day however is a double wammy. South Shore was Nat’l GA Champs last year. Losing 5-0 to PDA is not competitive. To top it off, two of the top GA teams that lost to ECNL today, are moving into ECNL next season.

I’m glad we decided to move back when we did. Another interesting debate directly involved our team today. We are 2nd to last in our division but played the top undefeated ECNL RL team today and won 2-1. It wasn’t as close as what the score says and their goal was pretty much an own goal. Something I see in other forums is top RL teams can beat at the minimum, bottom ECNL teams. Well, not today.
 
ECNL Pre Pre-Playoff Group Preview (Some groups could change if too many are from same conference...but all games that affect seeding are finished). If no changes, this is what you can expect. As I said in the past, no idea who wins this year. I can't even pick one team that makes it to the final four TBH. But I'll give a list of who has a chance. Beach, PDA, FC Stars, KC Athletics, SLSG, Solar, MVLA, Surf, Legends, Koge, and Penn Fusion. All of these teams are very good.

Group 1
1. Loudoun
2. Beach FC
3. VDA (VA)
4. Alabama
#1 seed going home early. Loudoun isn't anywhere as good as its seeding. This will be between VDA and Beach. VDA has added TWO players from the U15 National team since April. (One was removed due to ACL tear) but chemistry and egos could hurt them. Beach moves forward.

Group 2
1. PDA
2. Real Colorado
3. Arizona Arsenal
4. Atlanta Fire United
Honestly, PDA, Real or Arizona could come out of this group. No idea. Perhaps one gets a wild card as well? Not a given for PDA.

Group 3
1. Internationals
2. FC Stars Blue
3. KC Athletics
4. Ohio Premeire
Will be between Stars and Athletics. Internationals has yet to have a good showing outside its conferance.

Group 4
1. United Futbol Academy
2. Eclipse Select
3. Sporting Blue Valley
4. Tennessee Soccer Club
Eclipse vs UFA...I just don't think either are championship contenders.

Group 5
1. Solar
2. Crossfire XF
3. Bay Area Surf
4. Richmond United
Solar. Just don't fall asleep against XF.

Group 6
1. FC Dallas
2. Seattle United
3. Michigan Hawks
4. Dallas Texans
Whole bracket is a complete wildcard but leaning toward FC Dallas.

Group 7
1. MVLA
2. Concorde Fire Platinum
3. SUSA
4. Slammers Koge
MVLA vs Slammers for group winner. Toss up.

Group 8
1. Charlotte
2. Penn Fusion
3. San Diego Surf
4. Legends
This could be the toughest division. Charlotte is probably the weakest team in the group although it is the highest seed. I also think Penn Fusion could surprise Surf or Legends. Toss up between SD Surf, Koge, and Penn Fusion.

Group 9
1. Ohio Elite
2. Match Fit
3. NC Courage
4. CESA
Toughest group followed by weakest group. Don't expect anything from teams coming out of this group. Toss up. Sorry, not sorry.

Group 10
1. San Juan
2. FC Prime
3. World Class
4. La Roca
San Juan makes it through.

Group 11
1. SLSG Navy
2. Sting Dallas Royal
3. Utah Royals
4. Albion TX
SLSG comes out here.
 
Had some time - embedded National Rank and rating via SR below:

MARsSPEED said:
ECNL Pre Pre-Playoff Group Preview (Some groups could change if too many are from same conference...but all games that affect seeding are finished). If no changes, this is what you can expect. As I said in the past, no idea who wins this year. I can't even pick one team that makes it to the final four TBH. But I'll give a list of who has a chance. Beach, PDA, FC Stars, KC Athletics, SLSG, Solar, MVLA, Surf, Legends, Koge, and Penn Fusion. All of these teams are very good.

Group 1
1. Loudoun #25 (49.79)
2. Beach FC #18 (50.18)
3. VDA (VA) #47 (49.14)
4. Alabama #91 (48.20)
#1 seed going home early. Loudoun isn't anywhere as good as its seeding. This will be between VDA and Beach. VDA has added TWO players from the U15 National team since April. (One was removed due to ACL tear) but chemistry and egos could hurt them. Beach moves forward.

Group 2
1. PDA #1 (51.59)
2. Real Colorado #17 (50.19)
3. Arizona Arsenal #12 (50.46)
4. Atlanta Fire United #145 (47.41)
Honestly, PDA, Real or Arizona could come out of this group. No idea. Perhaps one gets a wild card as well? Not a given for PDA.

Group 3
1. Internationals #31 (49.56)
2. FC Stars Blue #36 (49.46)
3. KC Athletics #5 (50.97)
4. Ohio Premeire #70 (48.56)
Will be between Stars and Athletics. Internationals has yet to have a good showing outside its conferance.

Group 4
1. United Futbol Academy #6 (50.92)
2. Eclipse Select #20 (50.17)
3. Sporting Blue Valley #39 (49.42)
4. Tennessee Soccer Club #52 (48.88)
Eclipse vs UFA...I just don't think either are championship contenders.

Group 5
1. Solar #3 (51.35)
2. Crossfire XF #45 (49.27)
3. Bay Area Surf #43 (49.33)
4. Richmond United #23 (49.91)
Solar. Just don't fall asleep against XF.

Group 6
1. FC Dallas #9 (50.60)
2. Seattle United #22 (49.92)
3. Michigan Hawks #24 (49.83
4. Dallas Texans #33 (49.48)
Whole bracket is a complete wildcard but leaning toward FC Dallas.

Group 7
1. MVLA #2 (51.53)
2. Concorde Fire Platinum #32 (49.54)
3. SUSA #38 (49.44)
4. Slammers Koge #26 (49.79)
MVLA vs Slammers for group winner. Toss up.

Group 8
1. Charlotte #15 (50.26)
2. Penn Fusion #10 (50.57)
3. San Diego Surf #4 (51.06)
4. Legends #14 (50.36)
This could be the toughest division. Charlotte is probably the weakest team in the group although it is the highest seed. I also think Penn Fusion could surprise Surf or Legends. Toss up between SD Surf, Koge, and Penn Fusion.

Group 9
1. Ohio Elite #41 (49.35)
2. Match Fit #8 (50.62)
3. NC Courage #65 (48.64)
4. CESA #84 (48.27)
Toughest group followed by weakest group. Don't expect anything from teams coming out of this group. Toss up. Sorry, not sorry.

Group 10
1. San Juan #7 (50.86)
2. FC Prime #46 (49.21)
3. World Class #37 (49.45)
4. La Roca #57 (48.74)
San Juan makes it through.

Group 11
1. SLSG Navy #16 (50.20)
2. Sting Dallas Royal #19 (50.18)
3. Utah Royals #13 (50.41)
4. Albion TX #21 (50.14)
SLSG comes out here.
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MARsSPEED said:
ECNL Pre Pre-Playoff Group Preview (Some groups could change if too many are from same conference...but all games that affect seeding are finished). If no changes, this is what you can expect. As I said in the past, no idea who wins this year. I can't even pick one team that makes it to the final four TBH. But I'll give a list of who has a chance. Beach, PDA, FC Stars, KC Athletics, SLSG, Solar, MVLA, Surf, Legends, Koge, and Penn Fusion. All of these teams are very good.

Group 1
1. Loudoun
2. Beach FC
3. VDA (VA)
4. Alabama
#1 seed going home early. Loudoun isn't anywhere as good as its seeding. This will be between VDA and Beach. VDA has added TWO players from the U15 National team since April. (One was removed due to ACL tear) but chemistry and egos could hurt them. Beach moves forward.

Group 2
1. PDA
2. Real Colorado
3. Arizona Arsenal
4. Atlanta Fire United
Honestly, PDA, Real or Arizona could come out of this group. No idea. Perhaps one gets a wild card as well? Not a given for PDA.

Group 3
1. Internationals
2. FC Stars Blue
3. KC Athletics
4. Ohio Premeire
Will be between Stars and Athletics. Internationals has yet to have a good showing outside its conferance.

Group 4
1. United Futbol Academy
2. Eclipse Select
3. Sporting Blue Valley
4. Tennessee Soccer Club
Eclipse vs UFA...I just don't think either are championship contenders.

Group 5
1. Solar
2. Crossfire XF
3. Bay Area Surf
4. Richmond United
Solar. Just don't fall asleep against XF.

Group 6
1. FC Dallas
2. Seattle United
3. Michigan Hawks
4. Dallas Texans
Whole bracket is a complete wildcard but leaning toward FC Dallas.

Group 7
1. MVLA
2. Concorde Fire Platinum
3. SUSA
4. Slammers Koge
MVLA vs Slammers for group winner. Toss up.

Group 8
1. Charlotte
2. Penn Fusion
3. San Diego Surf
4. Legends
This could be the toughest division. Charlotte is probably the weakest team in the group although it is the highest seed. I also think Penn Fusion could surprise Surf or Legends. Toss up between SD Surf, Koge, and Penn Fusion.

Group 9
1. Ohio Elite
2. Match Fit
3. NC Courage
4. CESA
Toughest group followed by weakest group. Don't expect anything from teams coming out of this group. Toss up. Sorry, not sorry.

Group 10
1. San Juan
2. FC Prime
3. World Class
4. La Roca
San Juan makes it through.

Group 11
1. SLSG Navy
2. Sting Dallas Royal
3. Utah Royals
4. Albion TX
SLSG comes out here.
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Thanks for the dialogue, how did both Marspeed, and Randoms fan come up with their information?
 
MARsSPEED said:
ECNL Pre Pre-Playoff Group Preview (Some groups could change if too many are from same conference...but all games that affect seeding are finished). If no changes, this is what you can expect. As I said in the past, no idea who wins this year. I can't even pick one team that makes it to the final four TBH. But I'll give a list of who has a chance. Beach, PDA, FC Stars, KC Athletics, SLSG, Solar, MVLA, Surf, Legends, Koge, and Penn Fusion. All of these teams are very good.

Group 1
1. Loudoun
2. Beach FC
3. VDA (VA)
4. Alabama
#1 seed going home early. Loudoun isn't anywhere as good as its seeding. This will be between VDA and Beach. VDA has added TWO players from the U15 National team since April. (One was removed due to ACL tear) but chemistry and egos could hurt them. Beach moves forward.

Group 2
1. PDA
2. Real Colorado
3. Arizona Arsenal
4. Atlanta Fire United
Honestly, PDA, Real or Arizona could come out of this group. No idea. Perhaps one gets a wild card as well? Not a given for PDA.

Group 3
1. Internationals
2. FC Stars Blue
3. KC Athletics
4. Ohio Premeire
Will be between Stars and Athletics. Internationals has yet to have a good showing outside its conferance.

Group 4
1. United Futbol Academy
2. Eclipse Select
3. Sporting Blue Valley
4. Tennessee Soccer Club
Eclipse vs UFA...I just don't think either are championship contenders.

Group 5
1. Solar
2. Crossfire XF
3. Bay Area Surf
4. Richmond United
Solar. Just don't fall asleep against XF.

Group 6
1. FC Dallas
2. Seattle United
3. Michigan Hawks
4. Dallas Texans
Whole bracket is a complete wildcard but leaning toward FC Dallas.

Group 7
1. MVLA
2. Concorde Fire Platinum
3. SUSA
4. Slammers Koge
MVLA vs Slammers for group winner. Toss up.

Group 8
1. Charlotte
2. Penn Fusion
3. San Diego Surf
4. Legends
This could be the toughest division. Charlotte is probably the weakest team in the group although it is the highest seed. I also think Penn Fusion could surprise Surf or Legends. Toss up between SD Surf, Koge, and Penn Fusion.

Group 9
1. Ohio Elite
2. Match Fit
3. NC Courage
4. CESA
Toughest group followed by weakest group. Don't expect anything from teams coming out of this group. Toss up. Sorry, not sorry.

Group 10
1. San Juan
2. FC Prime
3. World Class
4. La Roca
San Juan makes it through.

Group 11
1. SLSG Navy
2. Sting Dallas Royal
3. Utah Royals
4. Albion TX
SLSG comes out here.
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Not sure what the purpose is of making fake brackets other than confuse people who might think this is the actual draw. Conference regular season winners all have automatic #1 seeds for playoffs. And all games that affect seeding are not finished. NC showcase this weekend factors into seeding.

Full post-season rules here - https://docs.google.com/document/d/...ouid=105299857762676514484&rtpof=true&sd=true
 
rainbow_unicorn said:
Not sure what the purpose is of making fake brackets other than confuse people who might think this is the actual draw. Conference regular season winners all have automatic #1 seeds for playoffs. And all games that affect seeding are not finished. NC showcase this weekend factors into seeding.

Full post-season rules here - https://docs.google.com/document/d/...ouid=105299857762676514484&rtpof=true&sd=true
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My bad. Not my intent. Didn’t know about that rule.
 
MARsSPEED said:
ECNL Pre Pre-Playoff Group Preview (Some groups could change if too many are from same conference...but all games that affect seeding are finished). If no changes, this is what you can expect. As I said in the past, no idea who wins this year. I can't even pick one team that makes it to the final four TBH. But I'll give a list of who has a chance. Beach, PDA, FC Stars, KC Athletics, SLSG, Solar, MVLA, Surf, Legends, Koge, and Penn Fusion. All of these teams are very good.

Group 1
1. Loudoun
2. Beach FC
3. VDA (VA)
4. Alabama
#1 seed going home early. Loudoun isn't anywhere as good as its seeding. This will be between VDA and Beach. VDA has added TWO players from the U15 National team since April. (One was removed due to ACL tear) but chemistry and egos could hurt them. Beach moves forward.

Group 2
1. PDA
2. Real Colorado
3. Arizona Arsenal
4. Atlanta Fire United
Honestly, PDA, Real or Arizona could come out of this group. No idea. Perhaps one gets a wild card as well? Not a given for PDA.

Group 3
1. Internationals
2. FC Stars Blue
3. KC Athletics
4. Ohio Premeire
Will be between Stars and Athletics. Internationals has yet to have a good showing outside its conferance.

Group 4
1. United Futbol Academy
2. Eclipse Select
3. Sporting Blue Valley
4. Tennessee Soccer Club
Eclipse vs UFA...I just don't think either are championship contenders.

Group 5
1. Solar
2. Crossfire XF
3. Bay Area Surf
4. Richmond United
Solar. Just don't fall asleep against XF.

Group 6
1. FC Dallas
2. Seattle United
3. Michigan Hawks
4. Dallas Texans
Whole bracket is a complete wildcard but leaning toward FC Dallas.

Group 7
1. MVLA
2. Concorde Fire Platinum
3. SUSA
4. Slammers Koge
MVLA vs Slammers for group winner. Toss up.

Group 8
1. Charlotte
2. Penn Fusion
3. San Diego Surf
4. Legends
This could be the toughest division. Charlotte is probably the weakest team in the group although it is the highest seed. I also think Penn Fusion could surprise Surf or Legends. Toss up between SD Surf, Koge, and Penn Fusion.

Group 9
1. Ohio Elite
2. Match Fit
3. NC Courage
4. CESA
Toughest group followed by weakest group. Don't expect anything from teams coming out of this group. Toss up. Sorry, not sorry.

Group 10
1. San Juan
2. FC Prime
3. World Class
4. La Roca
San Juan makes it through.

Group 11
1. SLSG Navy
2. Sting Dallas Royal
3. Utah Royals
4. Albion TX
SLSG comes out here.
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Can you do this for 2010? There are no games that effect seeding in 2010 left.
 
SuperSoccerStar said:
Can you do this for 2010? There are no games that effect seeding in 2010 left.
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No one can. Top 11 are set, and each gets their own group.

Next 33 are assigned randomly, in batches of 11, subject to the constraint that no group can have 2 from the same conference.

So, until they do the draw, no one knows who they are playing. If you are the 25th seed, you know you won't face 23-33, and you won't face your own conference. But you might face anyone else.
 
Zeke said:
No one can. Top 11 are set, and each gets their own group.

Next 33 are assigned randomly, in batches of 11, subject to the constraint that no group can have 2 from the same conference.

So, until they do the draw, no one knows who they are playing. If you are the 25th seed, you know you won't face 23-33, and you won't face your own conference. But you might face anyone else.
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Yes, no one knows exactly until draw is completed. Ten conference champions get automatic #1 seed. Next 11 - 44 teams are seeded based on overall PPG for conference and national event games.
 
rainbow_unicorn said:
Yes, no one knows exactly until draw is completed. Ten conference champions get automatic #1 seed. Next 11 - 44 teams are seeded based on overall PPG for conference and national event games.
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Thanks. I totally missed the conference champs getting the top 10 seeds. Good news for AZ Arsenal.

Any idea when the draw is?
 
MARsSPEED said:
My bad. Not my intent. Didn’t know about that rule.
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As it sits with all records. This weekend hasn’t been calculated.
Zeke said:
No one can. Top 11 are set, and each gets their own group.

Next 33 are assigned randomly, in batches of 11, subject to the constraint that no group can have 2 from the same conference.

So, until they do the draw, no one knows who they are playing. If you are the 25th seed, you know you won't face 23-33, and you won't face your own conference. But you might face anyone else.
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Nothing in the rules says that you don’t face an opponent in your own conference. The rules do make reference to this, but only in the playoff round. And the teams are not selected randomly, according to the rules, they are selected based on all games played, including league, conference cup, and showcase games.
 
BigTex said:
As it sits with all records. This weekend hasn’t been calculated.

Nothing in the rules says that you don’t face an opponent in your own conference. The rules do make reference to this, but only in the playoff round. And the teams are not selected randomly, according to the rules, they are selected based on all games played, including league, conference cup, and showcase games.
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Well, I went back and looked at the brackets in this age group from last year and I didn’t see any conferences playing each other so, although, the rules don’t say it, it seems probable that conference opponents don’t play each other.
 
NVA loses again to Michigan Hawks…

Not sure is anyone saw that San Diego Surf ECNL 08s lost 6-0 to Bethesda yesterday. That is misleading as the RL team came to North Carolina to play in place of its ECNL team.
 
MARsSPEED said:
Not sure is anyone saw that San Diego Surf ECNL 08s lost 6-0 to Bethesda yesterday. That is misleading as the RL team came to North Carolina to play in place of its ECNL team.
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A few kids from Surf posted that they were staying home for finals and to prep for nationals.
Seems odd as I assume the RL team had finals too ??
Surf has alot of kids in service on the YNT and Mexican YNT. The US has a trip coming up in a few days so I assume there is more to Surf pulling out of that venue than just "taking finals". I think they had a few last minutes spots open up for the Selection game with Surf backing out.

Speaking of USYNT.. the 2009s roster for the netherland trip should come out in a matter of hours to days.
Some eye opening choices if the names I saw are accurate.
 
BigTex said:
Well, I went back and looked at the brackets in this age group from last year and I didn’t see any conferences playing each other so, although, the rules don’t say it, it seems probable that conference opponents don’t play each other.
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Written or unwritten, there will not be two teams from the same conference in the same group.
 
Unlucky said:
Written or unwritten, there will not be two teams from the same conference in the same group.
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Then it would be impossible to determine groups outside of the #1 seeds because it would be subjective as to which conference they give priority to, I would think Southwest would be first priority followed by Texas but after that who knows the order.
 
BigTex said:
Then it would be impossible to determine groups outside of the #1 seeds because it would be subjective as to which conference they give priority to, I would think Southwest would be first priority followed by Texas but after that who knows the order.
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If you took notes the last two years and know the rules, it's possible to have the groups nailed down before dinner tomorrow night.
 
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