Vaccine

EvilGoalie 21 said:
It's closer to the latter. All immunity based on circulating antibody titers wanes over time. That is true for infection induced immunity or vaccination induced immunity. It's a natural balance our immune system strikes with seasonal infectious viruses. The viruses get their ecological niche. Our immune system gets updated with respect to new variants. Boosters are largely a public health effort to go from koyannisquatsi to balance while picking up as few new VOCs as possible. We will get there one way or another eventually. So if you don't want to play the booster game don't play.

We should feel lucky about the ability of the vaccines to prevent severe illness and death. This was true not just for healthy people but also for individuals in high risk groups with a wide range of C19 co-morbidities. My sister with Graves disease for example. The vaccines also demonstrably provide good long term cell mediated immune memory. Infection provides long term immune memory as well, with the one caveat being the durability of long term memory is proportional to the severity of infection. So C19 survivors walking around with lung tissue scarring should be in a pretty good place immunologically.
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We are speaking past each other.

Plenty of vaccinated CV19 survivors walking around with lung damage. You miss my point completely. A reiteration of what vaccines do, their evolution, titers waning is useless when "science" was telling everyone how crazy effective they were. The CDC, the media, everyone, frothing at the mouth. Did they walk everything back..of course they did. Your description above, so some degree, should have been the initial business proposition.
 
espola said:
Who said 100%?
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you just like to play footsies don't you.

"CDC chief Rochelle Walensky said earlier this week that “vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick.”"

"On Monday, Walensky told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow: “Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick.”

Maddow then went on a rant about how stupid people just don't get it.

Anyway, silly argument really. Your revionist history is expected. Simple truth and honesty would have enabled a higher vaccination rate.
 
what-happened said:
you just like to play footsies don't you.

"CDC chief Rochelle Walensky said earlier this week that “vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick.”"

"On Monday, Walensky told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow: “Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick.”

Maddow then went on a rant about how stupid people just don't get it.

Anyway, silly argument really. Your revionist history is expected. Simple truth and honesty would have enabled a higher vaccination rate.
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So it was just you that said 100%?
 
espola said:
Who said 100%?
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Somethings just cannot be changed in " certain " human beings...
You are a documented LIAR who just cannot change, even when
the TRUTH is staring you in the face you LIE.

Make sure you have your heart checked periodically; the clot shot
is proving to be even more dangerous than anticipated.

Even a 100% LIAR such as you will need to be given helpful advice
at times.
 
what-happened said:
you just like to play footsies don't you.

"CDC chief Rochelle Walensky said earlier this week that “vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick.”"

"On Monday, Walensky told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow: “Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick.”

Maddow then went on a rant about how stupid people just don't get it.

Anyway, silly argument really. Your revionist history is expected. Simple truth and honesty would have enabled a higher vaccination rate.
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The radio commercials are telling everyone to get their kids shot before the Fall. 99.9999% no kid will die from Covid or flu but please do your part and take your children quickly to get jabbed. Do your part. They want your kid to take because it prevents death and serious injury. If taking the jab does anything less than 99.9999% survival rate from covid, then it;s foolish, stupid and dangerous. I want numbers please. Dad? Real numbers. I have videos of kids dying from the shots. I have videos of young people with blood clots and retiring from golf and tennis, from clots in the blood. Never in my life has this ever happen. 99.9999% is hard to beat. Eat healthy and watch the water you guys. Organic and grow your own if you can. I love you and PM me if you have any questions or just need someone to talk to. I will not share any thing you share. WWG1WGA!
 
Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC


CDC is providing timely updates on the following serious adverse events of interest:

  • Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 5 people per one million vaccinated in the United States. Anaphylaxis, a severe type of allergic reaction, can occur after any kind of vaccination. If it happens, healthcare providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.
  • Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. TTS is a rare but serious adverse event that causes blood clots in large blood vessels and low platelets (blood cells that help form clots). As of April 7, 2022, more than 18.6 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 60 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine and later developed TTS.

    CDC has also identified nine deaths that have been caused by or were directly attributed to TTS following J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination. Women ages 30-49 years, especially, should be aware of the increased risk of this rare adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen.
    • To date, four confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (3 after Moderna, 1 after Pfizer-BioNTech) have been reported to VAERS after more than 544 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.
  • Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) in people who have received the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine is rare. GBS is a rare disorder where the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. Most people fully recover from GBS, but some have permanent nerve damage. After more than 18.6 million J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine doses administered, there have been around 313 preliminary reports of GBS identified in VAERS as of April 7, 2022. These cases have largely been reported about 2 weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many in those ages 50 years and older.

    Based on the data, the rate of GBS within the first 21 days following J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination was found to be 21 times higher than after Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna (mRNA COVID-19 vaccines). After the first 42 days, the rate of GBS was 11 times higher following J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination. Analysis found no increased risk of GBS after Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna (mRNA COVID-19 vaccines). CDC and FDA will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of GBS occurring after COVID-19 vaccination and will share more information as it becomes available.
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  • Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart. Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly. As of April 7, 2022, VAERS has received 2,341 preliminary reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 years and younger who received COVID-19 vaccines.

    Most cases have been reported after receiving Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna, (mRNA COVID-19 vaccines) particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have verified 1,433 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. Learn more about myocarditis and pericarditis, including clinical considerations, after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.
  • Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. More than 565 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through April 11, 2022. During this time, VAERS received 14,068 preliminary reports of death (0.0025%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records.

    A review of reports indicates a causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine and TTS. CDC scientists have conducted detailed reviews of TTS cases and made the information available to healthcare providers and the public:

  • Continued monitoring has identified nine deaths causally associated with J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination. CDC and FDA continue to review reports of death following COVID-19 vaccination and update information as it becomes available.




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Remember this Adam Espola Schiff, even the CDC admits a little bit of the TRUTH.
Check your heart.
 
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espola said:
Did you read the whole email chain in the Patrick Henry situation? Or just jump right to the conclusion along with KUSI?

Why was the 32-hour workweek proposal mixed in?

And why is any of this in the Vaccine thread?
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Just read the whole series of emails.

You gave a parent asking specific questions about cuts to honors courses. And you have an administrator replying in very long sentences that completely obfuscate the issue.

For example:
”Providing the most rigorous course of study with AP and Community College, with Honors courses if AP and Community college are not offered, to our students allows for them to be more competitive post-graduation in college, university and the workforce.”

That’s one sentence. What it means is “We are eliminating our 11th grade honors class for any subject which has an AP available.”

Most high schools teach kids to avoid run on sentences. San Diego Unified uses them as a tool to make parents go away.
 
dad4 said:
Just read the whole series of emails.

You gave a parent asking specific questions about cuts to honors courses. And you have an administrator replying in very long sentences that completely obfuscate the issue.

For example:
”Providing the most rigorous course of study with AP and Community College, with Honors courses if AP and Community college are not offered, to our students allows for them to be more competitive post-graduation in college, university and the workforce.”

That’s one sentence. What it means is “We are eliminating our 11th grade honors class for any subject which has an AP available.”

Most high schools teach kids to avoid run on sentences. San Diego Unified uses them as a tool to make parents go away.
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The rationale for eliminating some honors classes is that there are both easier (mainstream classes) and harder (AP, IB, and CC) options available. Did you miss that?

And what does this have to do with vaccines??
 
espola said:
The rationale for eliminating some honors classes is that there are both easier (mainstream classes) and harder (AP, IB, and CC) options available. Did you miss that?

And what does this have to do with vaccines??
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No one than Crush actually want to discuss vaccines anymore. Or covid, for that matter.

From the administrator’s emails, quote the section which explains which classes are cut. I’ll bet you a beer it has no fewer than 15 words per sentence, and can be read at least in two different ways.
 
dad4 said:
No one than Crush actually want to discuss vaccines anymore. Or covid, for that matter.

From the administrator’s emails, quote the section which explains which classes are cut. I’ll bet you a beer it has no fewer than 15 words per sentence, and can be read at least in two different ways.
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No one I know will get another shot, that's for sure. I say were in for a very rough summer.
 
dad4 said:
Just read the whole series of emails.

You gave a parent asking specific questions about cuts to honors courses. And you have an administrator replying in very long sentences that completely obfuscate the issue.

For example:
”Providing the most rigorous course of study with AP and Community College, with Honors courses if AP and Community college are not offered, to our students allows for them to be more competitive post-graduation in college, university and the workforce.”

That’s one sentence. What it means is “We are eliminating our 11th grade honors class for any subject which has an AP available.”

Most high schools teach kids to avoid run on sentences. San Diego Unified uses them as a tool to make parents go away.
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Are you seeing in your neck of the woods the elimination of some programs for the higher performing students? We're seeing it quite a bit in San Diego.
 
espola said:
The rationale for eliminating some honors classes is that there are both easier (mainstream classes) and harder (AP, IB, and CC) options available. Did you miss that?

And what does this have to do with vaccines??
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The off topic stuff on this thread is a lot more fun. From my reading, the rationale is equality. The next step is to remove all AP classes because that creates a stigma too. 2 molds do not fit for a large high school like Patrick Henry. Some kids do great in the AP test while some do better on projects, papers, & extra assignments - that's why Honors v AP. This sounds like a principal who cares more about future career moves and appeasing her bosses rather than taking care of her students. I'll sacrifice my students college admission competitiveness to improve my chance of getting a promotion. Less Honors classes means lower grades for Patrick Henry students, lowering their ability to compete with other applicants. Without test score considerations, this will definitely be very harmful to Patrick Henry students.

Is this happening only at Patrick Henry or is this being applied at every San Diego Unified school?
 
watfly said:
Are you seeing in your neck of the woods the elimination of some programs for the higher performing students? We're seeing it quite a bit in San Diego.
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Some.

The bigger trend here is to keep the classes, but drop the entrance requirements. You no longer need a good grade in precalc to be allowed to take the AP.

I don’t know the impact overall. You have more kids taking the harder class, but they all want to be there.
 
crush said:
No one I know will get another shot, that's for sure. I say were in for a very rough summer.
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Rough summer? Not from covid. Cases will inch up, slowly.

I don’t know where the vax laws will end up. Eventually, they will drop it.

Even I think the requirement is getting out of date. Asking me to vaccinate against the current version makes sense, and I’d be happy to get an annual booster against the latest version.

But they aren’t updating the shot. It’s like asking me to get last year’s flu vaccine.
 
dad4 said:
Even I think the requirement is getting out of date
I’d be happy to get an annual booster against the latest version.
It’s like asking me to get last year’s flu vaccine.
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Do you think all unvaccinated people should get fired from job for no jab still?
 
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