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[met61]

How about principled Women and Mothers, or don't they get a say? Your posts have a continual undercurrent of misogyny to me. It's all about men must do this or that etc. You don't talk about parents with respects to supporting or protecting our kids etc., just men/fathers. Pretty weird tbh, and if that's how you think, you need to grow up.

...you have read-in motives to my statements that are not present and assigned intent to the opposite meaning of statements you felt I should have talked about...although, your assessment is flawed…I can understand it, given the current culture, toxic environment, and erosion of the Truth.

...my guess is I am considerably older than you...and as I continue to believe in and practice the traditional role of a man, there is a lot I can say...but I'll choose to sum it up with one question:

Do you believe in times of safety, emergency, and threat...the traditional principal of "Women and Children First" is misogyny?

 

[watfly]

Do you believe in times of safety, emergency, and threat...the traditional principal of "Women and Children First" is misogyny?

Apparently the concept of "women and children first" is not even a consideration in the progressive agenda. The dogma takes priority. Other lost concepts are the "golden rule" and "sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me". Instead they appear to have added the inalienable right "to be offended" to the Bill of Rights.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

What a mysterious tale you tell. Why is it that science is only applicable if it supports certain societal agendas? It's either science or it isn't. And yes, science changes...so if there is proof of the evolution of sex in the human fossil record, please point it out. And please don't hide behind the social construct of gender - that's a completely different argument that consumes social warriors. I'm not interested in that argument, identify how you want, doesn't bother me.

Let the commissioners decide not my gig. Well over my pay grade.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Apparently the concept of "women and children first" is not even a consideration in the progressive agenda. The dogma takes priority. Other lost concepts are the "golden rule" and "sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me". Instead they appear to have added the inalienable right "to be offended" to the Bill of Rights.

You sound hurt and confused. Do you know anyone personally that adheres to the tenets you have attributed here?

 

[watfly]

You sound hurt and confused. Do you know anyone personally that adheres to the tenets you have attributed here?

I do get confused when people attempt to deny reality. As far as the tenets go, I still teach these to my kids and most people I associate with try to adhere to them. Admittedly, though the "golden rule" is a tough one, but we all need goals.

I'm a big devotee of "Names will never hurt me". For example you calling me "hurt and confused" is a reflection on you, not me.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

I do get confused when people attempt to deny reality. As far as the tenets go, I still teach these to my kids and most people I associate with try to adhere to them. Admittedly, though the "golden rule" is a tough one, but we all need goals.

I'm a big devotee of "Names will never hurt me". For example you calling me "hurt and confused" is a reflection on you, not me.

Seems like people are disappointing you. Who in particular is letting you down? Or is that too personal of a question?

 

[Emma]

Do you mean to say that transgender participation in women's sports isn't a big deal? If so, it sounds like we agree.

I don't agree with you comparing these things because they have nothing in common. Don't assume because you know what that does.

While sports is definitely not as serious as school shootings and insurrections, it is very meaningful to a lot of girls who dedicate a lot of time to it. I'm fully in support of everyone's right to do as they wish until it infringes on others ability to do what they wish too. When there are conflicts, we have to work them out to see how best to deal with the conflict.

You're not listening and minimizing other people's concerns. If sports is really insignificant, ask transgenders not to participate in them. After all, they're insignificant so it shouldn't matter to transgenders too. If you're unwilling to do that than don't ask that of genetic females. Competitive sports is significant because people spend a lot of time and passion towards it.

I'm not sure what the answer is but I do know there are legitimate concerns to work through. Transphobia is not the issue. You can't throw out name calling "phobia" words at every turn to shut down any conversation.

No one wants to stop transgenders from enjoying their lives or living their best lives but conflicts exist and need to be resolved.

If transgenders want to play a sport to be with females, then why not just stick to rec sports where athletes are not dedicating significant amount of hours to compete? If they want to be in a competitive environment, it should align with the science chromosomes because female sports were created separately for genetic females due to scientific differences.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

I don't agree with you comparing these things because they have nothing in common. Don't assume because you know what that does.

While sports is definitely not as serious as school shootings and insurrections, it is very meaningful to a lot of girls who dedicate a lot of time to it. I'm fully in support of everyone's right to do as they wish until it infringes on others ability to do what they wish too. When there are conflicts, we have to work them out to see how best to deal with the conflict.

You're not listening and minimizing other people's concerns. If sports is really insignificant, ask transgenders not to participate in them. After all, they're insignificant so it shouldn't matter to transgenders too. If you're unwilling to do that than don't ask that of genetic females. Competitive sports is significant because people spend a lot of time and passion towards it.

I'm not sure what the answer is but I do know there are legitimate concerns to work through. Transphobia is not the issue. You can't throw out name calling "phobia" words at every turn to shut down any conversation.

No one wants to stop transgenders from enjoying their lives or living their best lives but conflicts exist and need to be resolved.

If transgenders want to play a sport to be with females, then why not just stick to rec sports where athletes are not dedicating significant amount of hours to compete? If they want to be in a competitive environment, it should align with the science chromosomes because female sports were created separately for genetic females due to scientific differences.

I am quite sure most caught in between, two-spirits, wish they were born fully one way or the other, but I may be wrong.

 

[whatithink]

...you have read-in motives to my statements that are not present and assigned intent to the opposite meaning of statements you felt I should have talked about...although, your assessment is flawed…I can understand it, given the current culture, toxic environment, and erosion of the Truth.

...my guess is I am considerably older than you...and as I continue to believe in and practice the traditional role of a man, there is a lot I can say...but I'll choose to sum it up with one question:

Do you believe in times of safety, emergency, and threat...the traditional principal of "Women and Children First" is misogyny?

I have no problem with women and children first. It's "traditional" as it's the future of the tribe.

I do think the premise of

...if not principled Men and Fathers, then who?

is beyond dated as if to say there is nobody else, hence making any principled women & mothers redundant/useless, especially when you are talking about a societal "issue" where men have no more or less to say than women.

To the whole trans gender thing, oddly enough only this week my son was out helping a neighbor and came home and mention another neighbor, let's say Mike. I said, do you mean Mary, and he replied, no, it's Mike now as he identifies as a he. No big deal to him, didn't make any type of deal with it, it just is what it is. It seems to me, by this thread that it's the parents - us older folk - who seem to have an "issue" with it. The kids aren't bothered either way. We could learn from them.

As for the sports aspect, well the swimmer in Q clearly has a physical advantage because of maturing as a male. That doesn't strike me as particularly fair from a sporting perspective, but I'm ambivalent to it TBH. Its college sports, not life or death stuff. It's also rare. There are far more important things that deserve far more attention.

 

[what-happened]

Let the commissioners decide not my gig. Well over my pay grade.

wait wut? Can you tell the difference between a boy and a girl dog? Do you need a vet to do that? I wonder what type of doctor Canadian player Quinn goes to.. I mean, really? Human biology is rather straight forward. Human psychology, well, that's certainly a different ball game.

 

[watfly]

Seems like people are disappointing you. Who in particular is letting you down? Or is that too personal of a question?

1) Public high school principals, teachers and staff
2) The USA men's 4x100 meter relay team (but only every 4 years)
3) People that drive in the passing lane

 

[Desert Hound]

 

[Hüsker Dü]

wait wut? Can you tell the difference between a boy and a girl dog? Do you need a vet to do that? I wonder what type of doctor Canadian player Quinn goes to.. I mean, really? Human biology is rather straight forward. Human psychology, well, that's certainly a different ball game.

Now you are just being silly.

 

[dad4]

Now you are just being silly.

It strikes me as unfair to bring up Quinn in that manner.

Quinn was born female and plays in a female league. There is no unfair advantage at all. Just a great player. Enjoy their games.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

It strikes me as unfair to bring up Quinn in that manner.

Quinn was born female and plays in a female league. There is no unfair advantage at all. Just a great player. Enjoy their games.

Like all “discussions” in here (that some take personally for some reason?) it’s a pointless argument. One can vent or point out some of the reasoning involved, but it’s just an exercise in futility. The realities are so twisted the truth is never quite reached as ideology and ego get in the way. Write your representative don’t act as if something is being settled in here of all places! Lol!

 

[baldref]

but I may be wrong.

only thing you've said in years that is true. Congrats

 

[Hüsker Dü]

only thing you've said in years that is true. Congrats

I always reserve the right to be wrong.

 

[dad4]

Like all “discussions” in here (that some take personally for some reason?) it’s a pointless argument. One can vent or point out some of the reasoning involved, but it’s just an exercise in futility. The realities are so twisted the truth is never quite reached as ideology and ego get in the way. Write your representative don’t act as if something is being settled in here of all places! Lol!

My rep is a progressive. That wing is pretty unlikely to side with Republicans on a social wedge issue- even if the Republicans happen to be right this time.

Besides, I just wrote about providing more meaningful military assistance to Ukraine. It is clearly the more important message.

 

[met61]

My rep is a progressive. That wing is pretty unlikely to side with Republicans on a social wedge issue- even if the Republicans happen to be right this time.

Besides, I just wrote about providing more meaningful military assistance to Ukraine. It is clearly the more important message.

...I see you as a flag in the wind...rather than the flag pole, planted in firm ground.

...playing along and compromising the Truth results in drifting, shifting, and contradictory principles.

 

[met61]

I have no problem with women and children first. It's "traditional" as it's the future of the tribe.

I do think the premise of



is beyond dated as if to say there is nobody else, hence making any principled women & mothers redundant/useless, especially when you are talking about a societal "issue" where men have no more or less to say than women.

To the whole trans gender thing, oddly enough only this week my son was out helping a neighbor and came home and mention another neighbor, let's say Mike. I said, do you mean Mary, and he replied, no, it's Mike now as he identifies as a he. No big deal to him, didn't make any type of deal with it, it just is what it is. It seems to me, by this thread that it's the parents - us older folk - who seem to have an "issue" with it. The kids aren't bothered either way. We could learn from them.

As for the sports aspect, well the swimmer in Q clearly has a physical advantage because of maturing as a male. That doesn't strike me as particularly fair from a sporting perspective, but I'm ambivalent to it TBH. Its college sports, not life or death stuff. It's also rare. There are far more important things that deserve far more attention.

...my guess is you don't see the irony and contradictions in this... Although I appreciate you taking the time to respond, for me, this is not a conversation worth having.