For the record, yes, we used two players from the ECNL team. We lost two players late in the season (one moved and the other had serious surgery) and going into state we had two girls sick and couldn't play. Having said this, we have two keepers on the roster so this left us with one sub. Coach elected to get extras and the only option was ECNL BUT they only played the first two games with us. (our game against RB was our third team with one sub) Not sure what RB's motive was carding 7 total ECNL players. I suspect with this team finishing last in Europa, he was potentially in the same boat as us - lost players (for other reasons than us! ). As a third team, I'm proud of our girls play and passion to compete, although we were a bit outmatched. We held Arsenal scoreless at half but they had too much horsepower late in the second. They got a goal off a corner and the AR called it offside but the CR came over to chat and ended up giving them another corner. They buried it into the net nicely off a header... I will say, they are a good group of girls and played a classy, tactical game! Good luck to them.
You cannot play in two state cups. If you play/are restored for Presidents Cup you cannot play in National Cup and vise versa. Players can only play in one state cup.
You bring up an intriguing question about a limit on club pass players. So I went to the NC rulebook (http://media.calsouth.com/data/Down.../2017/2017CSNationalCupV17100816.pdf?rev=114F).
- So check out Team Eligibility (section 3.4 - Roster Continuity). It states that the roster must maintain a minimum of 9 players from the league play roster (SCDSL for this team) to the NC roster.
- Now check out section 3.7 (Roster Size). It states that an 03 team can have a tournament roster of 22 total players, but only 18 per game roster.
- Lastly, go to section 3.16.2 (Club Pass). It states that any NC team can club pass players as long as the roster meets the minimum 9 player "continuity of roster" rule.
So, with respects to the Arsenal team in question here, RB had the ability to add 10 ECNL players to this team via the Club Pass rule highlighted above. This assumes that the 12 players from the Fall roster are all still playing on this team and listed on the NC roster.
I am no fan of RB, but I don't believe he has violated any NC rule here.
You bring up an intriguing question about a limit on club pass players. So I went to the State Cup rulebook (http://media.calsouth.com/data/Down...ts/2017/2017CSStateCupV171008162.pdf?rev=F013).
- So check out Team Eligibility (section 3.4 - Roster Continuity). It states that the roster must maintain a minimum of 9 players from the league play roster (SCDSL for this team) to the SC roster.
- Now check out section 3.6 (Club Pass). It states that any SC team can club pass players as long as the roster meets the minimum 9 player "continuity of roster" rule. It does not appear there is a limit to the amount of players that can be club passed.
- Section 3.7 (Roster Size) states that 03 teams can have up to 22 players rostered (tournament rostered), but only 18 players per game roster.
So, with respects to the Arsenal team in question here, RB had the ability to add 10 ECNL players to this team via the Club Pass rule highlighted above. This assumes that the 12 players from the Fall roster are all still playing on this team and listed on the SC roster.
I am no fan of RB, but I don't believe he has violated any SC rule here.
Thanks Buey, I guess a club will do whatever it takes. My only question is if they team had 9 players from the fall team to play Pres Cup. During the fall & playoffs, there were games they struggled to field enough players or even played short. I know 1 or 2 03's already left.
This was the flight one team and they petitioned to play state and was allowed to based on their league record. I'm pretty sure he lost some players as we played them in the Manchester Cup and there was already turmoil on the field and sidelines. Regardless of ringers or not, they played a clean, tactical game which I for one appreciated. Our girls competed for 60 minutes and in turn learned a lot from the game. That's how I prefer my DD to develop so goal accomplished for a C team in my opinion!KP: with only 12 players listed on the SCDSL fall roster, it would seem that this team may have struggled with enough players for multiple games. Maybe this was RB's plan all along.......struggle in the Fall season to gain entry into State Cup versus National Cup (this was a flight 1 team for Fall). Then get into State Cup and use ECNL players to try and run the table. I hope I am wrong, but RB plays to win ALWAYS!
Unless this is the flight 2 team? Anyway, I am done. My head hurts.
Are there parents on this team on the forum? I would like to know how they feel about always having to rely on the ECNL girls to fill the roster to win games. If that was my daughter's team, I would be looking for a new team or just sit out for State Cup. I'm not sure what lesson the girls are learning with RB's strategy.Thanks Buey, I guess a club will do whatever it takes. My only question is if they team had 9 players from the fall team to play Pres Cup. During the fall & playoffs, there were games they struggled to field enough players or even played short. I know 1 or 2 03's already left.
Are there parents on this team on the forum? I would like to know how they feel about always having to rely on the ECNL girls to fill the roster to win games. If that was my daughter's team, I would be looking for a new team or just sit out for State Cup. I'm not sure what lesson the girls are learning with RB's strategy.
So you find 1-3 ECNL Players used ok but not 7? What's the cutoff.
I think any usage of them for any reason on a C team in a major state tournament that could have resulted in knocking off another team inappropriate.
Again the inherent inequality is horrible. All you need is 1-2 ECNL players to make a difference against C team players- sorry but it's true. And the two they used are stars
Very unfortunate and why we need state/national cup to coincide with ECNL events so there is no opportunity to do that.
Or we need a coach to respect his players and families.
I don't buy any other reason. We have unlimited substitutions and aren't playing FIFA. The use of powerhouses was not required and again to me shows that a lot of people don't get it. One MT or AS is equal to about 3 of a lesser player in terms of vision, tactical, skill.
I agree. I don't know who MT is but I get your point and love your passion for fairness. You clearly aren't a lawyer as you have a soul.
No, I'm not okay with any teams bringing ECNL players to State Cup. I am more comfortable at National Cup level as some non-ECNL clubs can take on ECNL any day. Evidently a parent of Surf C team didn't seem to mind. I wanted to hear from RB's parents. It was extremely unfair for that team to lose 0-5/0-7 to these teams because not only they took a loss, it put them out of wild card chance with the goal differentialSo you find 1-3 ECNL Players used ok but not 7? What's the cutoff.
I think any usage of them for any reason on a C team in a major state tournament that could have resulted in knocking off another team inappropriate.
Again the inherent inequality is horrible. All you need is 1-2 ECNL players to make a difference against C team players- sorry but it's true. And the two they used are stars
Those two are solid players and could certainly change a game,... If in fact they were player passed.
You work for surf ask velloso! Problem solved