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Think long term Covid, now let that sink in. Lol!
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I'm saying that memory of that transaction depends, much like COVID, on who you are. I have a very pleasant memory of G looking foolish....one of my fondest memories....thank you very much.
Long term Covid..LOL Maybe that's kinda like the vaccine will eliminate the virus HAHA
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Not sure how your original question got sucked into the over count thing. It has very little impact on the epidemiology. Fodder for rage clicking and cable news bobble heads so I guess fun to argue about. The mortality over count, however, is one I haven't seen trotted out since the bleach and bright light days.
Your question, as I took it, was whether the early rise in the case rate for vaxxed compared to unvaxxed was apparent or real. A numerical issue or reflective of the epidmiology/immunology? I thought it was an interesting question; thanks for pointing it out. Last night I pulled the case load data ("weekly update breakthoughs" folders) from the NYC site to look at it. The graph below is what i get for the change in case# (not rate) week to week during omicron in NYC. Takeaways IMO. 1) Even when viewed as straight up change in case load, vaxx holds up amazingly well, which is good. 2) omicron burns like prairie fire 3) I think the early rise in the unvaxx RATE is likely more apparent than real. The rate graphs shown earlier express the relative rates as per 100K so they are directly comparable for equivalently sized groups. But in the data set those groups are not the same size, which is of course the sampling issue that brings the denominator problem up in the first place. So to do per 100K rates you have to change the numerator to "pull" or "push" the numbers. That requires numerator shifts of different proportions between the two groups because the case count is so lower with the vaxx population. So, the way to look at the per 100K graphs is "IF there were equivalent groups of 100K, these are the estimated rates we would expect to see based on our sample". At least that's my take away. And it also emphasizes one thing I have tried to stress, which is that if you want the best estimate of VE you need to do random sampling so you can calculate odds instead of rates. The UK data is still the best AFAIK for omicron in this regard.
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So can we all now claim things we “don’t remember where I saw it”? SMH
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Who claimed that?
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I agree the networking of the data reporting is a real issue. Running it down would likely necessitate a pretty deep dive. My hunch, which could certainly be off, is that in the end it would circle back to the regulatory footing of the CDC.
Depending on who you are -- my father dropped out of high school to join the Marines. My mother was Valedictorian of her high school class of 1944, but instead of going to college (tuition was cheap in those days and she could have lived with her brother who was working in a defense plant in the same city as the University) she took a job in a hospital. I inherited leftover ration coupon booklets.
Some of us do science....it's why I gave a spread...because we just don't have the hard data.
Some of us make a bunch of assumptions and come up with a radical hard number like 3 percent.
Throughout this all one side has been doing actual science and critical thinking, and the other side has been doing religion and propaganda. The funny thing about you and your ilk is that you have prided yourself on being Galileo while it is very obvious that all along you've been the church.
If we are doing our favorite parts of this thread (now that we are six hundred plus pages in)....mine would be your comedy.
My my all of the Covidians are certainly triggered. It's funny.
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Nice try, but the image in your mirror doesn’t lie.
Given how the CDC has been performing throughout all this, if that's where your hunch leads, your hunch is leading you to a dark dysfunctional corner. Doesn't really inspire confidence in the system.
Our President LOL HAHAHAHA. Our country is in such trouble!!! Kinda crazy and believe it or not, a lot of people wil llisten to the President of the United States
During a July 2021 CNN town hall, U.S. President Joe Biden falsely stated that "You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations," and "If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit, and you’re not going to die."
Did Biden Say You Won't Get COVID if You're Vaccinated?
Biden overstated the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccinations during a July 2021 town hall.
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Yawn.
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Yes people will listen to the president that is partly why this has drawn out so long and many have suffered because of that. Listen to the experts.Our President LOL HAHAHAHA. Our country is in such trouble!!! Kinda crazy and believe it or not, a lot of people wil llisten to the President of the United States
During a July 2021 CNN town hall, U.S. President Joe Biden falsely stated that "You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations," and "If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit, and you’re not going to die."
Did Biden Say You Won't Get COVID if You're Vaccinated?
Biden overstated the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccinations during a July 2021 town hall.
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I figured you’d feel that way. Ego clouds the image.
That's so bad it's not even wrong. (paraphrasing W. Pauli)
Yawn.
Again, I'm not the one with the crumbling narrative.
There were 2.3B people that fought in WW2? Might want to Fact Check that!
You just can’t stop making up #’s can you?
Maybe 300M Soldiers saw combat and a general estimate of 72M died.
Just stop!
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That is the other side of the "no long term testing of vaccines" thing. We also have little understanding of long term consequences of CoV-2 infection. I've followed the long hauler thing since it really affects my sister. One way or another it appears that, even with pretty mild CoV-2 infections, there are effects (direct or indirect) transmitted across the blood brain barrier into the CNS, which can be accompanied by the types of tau protein tangles seen in nerodegenerative/inflammatory disorders. Long term impacts of that are, of course, unknown.