Vaccine

Grace T. said:
From one of the FDA directors who resigned, critical of the Biden admin for bypassing advisory panel on boosters for teens. If Trump had done this, the press would be calling for his head and refusing to take the booster.
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The article also criticizes Trump for the same thing.

Of course, you never mentioned that part.

He makes a good point, but it isn't the partisan attack you want it to be. It's an appeal to trust the experts.

Kind of funny that you are pretending to be on that side. I mean, if the experts are all wrong, why not skip the advisory panels?
 
dad4 said:
The article also criticizes Trump for the same thing.

Of course, you never mentioned that part.

He makes a good point, but it isn't the partisan attack you want it to be. It's an appeal to trust the experts.

Kind of funny that you are pretending to be on that side. I mean, if the experts are all wrong, why not skip the advisory panels?
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That’s not why he bypassed them. The experts might have given him the ok. He’s worried about the increasing minority of experts that are critical of the covid safe policies. So why give them a platform where they critique? The issue with you, as has been pointed out and shown repeatedly, isn’t that you trust the experts: it’s that you only trust the establishmentarian experts that agree with your world view and everyone else is a fringe lunatic.

ps I’m no trump fan. I hope he doesn’t run in 2024 and makes way for de santis. On the left Harris and buttleig are damaged goods and Hillary has been putting out trial balloons for herself. Trump v Hillary would be the worst thing to ever happen to this country since the last trump v Hillary. My post isn’t so much a defense of trump than a critique of the media
 
dad4 said:
The words "could be" are doing some pretty heavy lifting in that sentence.

Either way, you only gave us relative risk. That falls short on your "attention to detail" standard. It's an issue, but without knowing absolute risk for male athletes, you can't say how big.
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The word "could" does heavy lifting in science and research. "Could" overload hospitals, "could" do this, "could" do that. But you do know the risk of covid in young healthy males - it's very, very low. Most won't even know they have covid or think it's the sniffles. Besides, I'm not giving you anything, I'm referencing data/research. You are a smart person, go and look it up. If you are a parent of a healthy male child between 5-18, you should be well informed of all of the risk and be allowed to make your own decision. Emergency use authorization is a rather new phenomena for the FDA and protects companies from liabilities. Personally, I think it's a racket but that's just my opinion.

The bottom line is my0carditis in young healthy males isn't a normal occurence and not something that should be glossed over. Anecdotally and in research I've seen, the recorded levels of troponin complex in some of these cases has been unusually high. Never a good thing in a healthy child. You shouldn't apply the same calculus to the 0-12 age group as you do the 65+ age group. Who cares if someone age 65 dies in 15 years from the vaccine.

Lastly, maintain your standard of empathy - 299 out 300, one person still dies, not good thing for that person. 1 healthy male affected by a cardiac event that "could" impact the rest of his life..not a good thing. Does myocarditis usually resolve on its own..yep. Does it always? nope. High T levels is the most concerning thing. I know I certainly wouldn't take the risk with my healthy boy child. Many parents will - and I wish them well.
 
Grace T. said:
That’s not why he bypassed them. The experts might have given him the ok. He’s worried about the increasing minority of experts that are critical of the covid safe policies. So why give them a platform where they critique? The issue with you, as has been pointed out and shown repeatedly, isn’t that you trust the experts: it’s that you only trust the establishmentarian experts that agree with your world view and everyone else is a fringe lunatic.

ps I’m no trump fan. I hope he doesn’t run in 2024 and makes way for de santis. On the left Harris and buttleig are damaged goods and Hillary has been putting out trial balloons for herself. Trump v Hillary would be the worst thing to ever happen to this country since the last trump v Hillary. My post isn’t so much a defense of trump than a critique of the media
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of course the media reaction had this been Trump would be different

I saw Hillary was on TV last week reading her acceptance speech, must be hard for her to find peace . She must look at Biden and think “wtf “.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Everyone looks at Biden and say WTF. Democrats just do it under their breath.
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South Africa is doing out in the open. They ((the cheaters)) are trying to find someone to blame. One would also thing that South Africa would be dead by now????

JUST IN - South Africa hospitalization rate plunges to only 1.7% in #Omicron wave, compared with 19% in previous "Delta-driven" wave - Health Minister

Only 26% of the population in South Africa is fully vaccinated.
 
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I hope sanity returns sometimes soon.

Men competing against women...and breaking women's records.

You want to pretend you are a woman and dress up like one...have at it. Very few care.

You want to pretend you are a women and compete against them in WOMEN's sports sorry pal. A bridge too far.

It is a farce. And too many people won't say anything because they don't want to be called a bigot or whatever.


After the race, the teammate said, Thomas could be overheard bragging, 'That was so easy, I was cruising,' before adding, 'At least I'm still No. 1 in the country.'

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At some point women need to stand up and say enough.

Right now the pressure is on these women to shut up.

In the week after the Zippy Invitational, two of Thomas' female UPenn teammates anonymously spoke out about their frustrations of having a transgender teammate, despite the entire team being 'strongly advised' not to speak to the media.

One of the swimmers told sports website OutKick that UPenn swimmers were upset and crying as they knew their times were going to be obliterated by her.

'Usually everyone claps, everyone is yelling and cheering when someone wins a race,' she said of the Zippy Invitational. 'Lia touched the wall and it was just silent in there. When fellow Penn swimmer Anna Kalandadze finished second, the crowd erupted in applause.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

UPenn parents pen poignant letter demanding the NCAA change rules

Parents of the UPenn women's swim team are demanding the NCAA change rules that have permitted transgender swimmer Lia Thomas to compete.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
Grace T. said:
If you can't say how big, you don't mandate it until you are sure!
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And that is the point I have been making now for some time.

We don't know what the long term affects are. To mandate healthy people with little to no risk of the virus to take a shot is not ethical/good policy, etc.
 
Desert Hound said:
I hope sanity returns sometimes soon.

Men competing against women...and breaking women's records.

You want to pretend you are a woman and dress up like one...have at it. Very few care.

You want to pretend you are a women and compete against them in WOMEN's sports sorry pal. A bridge too far.

It is a farce. And too many people won't say anything because they don't want to be called a bigot or whatever.


After the race, the teammate said, Thomas could be overheard bragging, 'That was so easy, I was cruising,' before adding, 'At least I'm still No. 1 in the country.'

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At some point women need to stand up and say enough.

Right now the pressure is on these women to shut up.

In the week after the Zippy Invitational, two of Thomas' female UPenn teammates anonymously spoke out about their frustrations of having a transgender teammate, despite the entire team being 'strongly advised' not to speak to the media.

One of the swimmers told sports website OutKick that UPenn swimmers were upset and crying as they knew their times were going to be obliterated by her.

'Usually everyone claps, everyone is yelling and cheering when someone wins a race,' she said of the Zippy Invitational. 'Lia touched the wall and it was just silent in there. When fellow Penn swimmer Anna Kalandadze finished second, the crowd erupted in applause.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

UPenn parents pen poignant letter demanding the NCAA change rules

Parents of the UPenn women's swim team are demanding the NCAA change rules that have permitted transgender swimmer Lia Thomas to compete.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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More and more people are starting to come to terms with reality.

Meanwhile, the Omicron variant looks likely to be Delta on steroids when it comes to how fast it spreads. Even if, as the initial evidence suggests, it usually causes milder disease, Omicron will cause a huge wave of cases in vaccinated people who could pass it on.

Why isn't that an argument for tightening restrictions? For three reasons.

First, because many — likely most — people simply won't observe a lockdown at this point. Indeed, many people are no longer willing to abide by even more modest restrictions like masking. If your policy is to do something that won't be done, you don't really have a policy.
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Dad the last sentence is something you have been blissfully unaware of for some time as GraceT has pointed out countless times.
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Moreover, the unvaccinated-by-choice are in many cases less likely to limit their behaviors in other ways. The COVID-conscious, in other words, are mostly protecting people who don't really need it, because they can do little to protect those who do.

Second, even if there were a high rate of compliance, Delta and Omicron are so contagious there is no plausible non-pharmaceutical intervention that could contain them. The measures we used earlier in the pandemic were only partially effective then. They would be completely overwhelmed now. At best, we might modestly slow the spread while it continues to scythe its way through the population.

And third, we no longer need to flatten the curve. Early in the pandemic, we needed to buy time to understand the virus better, to develop treatments, and to stand up a full-fledged testing-and-tracing infrastructure to facilitate containment, which we never did. Since containment has comprehensively failed, most everyone on earth will either be vaccinated or infected eventually. We now have enough vaccines domestically to cover everyone multiple times over. So what exactly are we buying time for?

theweek.com

The radicalization of a COVID moderate

The pandemic is real and serious. But for most of us, it's time to return to normal.
theweek.com
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Everyone looks at Biden and say WTF. Democrats just do it under their breath.
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CNN and the NY Times are already discussing who could run in Biden's place..."hypothetically". The handwriting is on the wall. The MSM will have to find stories other than Biden as they hold their breath until the Democrat primaries. Get used to wall to wall Jan 6 coverage.

The Democrats will only have themselves to blame if Trump runs in 2024. Unfortunately, its setting up perfectly for him. Everyone, regardless of party, should be hoping that a strong Republican candidate rises to challenge Trump.
 
watfly said:
Everyone, regardless of party, should be hoping that a strong Republican candidate rises to challenge Trump.
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I appreciate your honesty Wat Fly. The two party dance is over bro. I think we will have about 5 top groups when the dust settles and then the rest will just be radicals in the weeds and will fade away. The Honest & Truth Seeking Liberals, Conservatives, Progressives, Religious Folks and The Free Thinkers will rule the planet. Merit based competition, helping humanity & creativity will rule the land. No more kickbacks and no more pay to play. No more buying, bribing and then blackmailing suckers who cheat to get to the top of this bullshit system we were born into. Times are changing 100% :) t is just the dart board. He took darts for you brother. He loves you more then you'll ever know. I said on this forum I had a dream a few years ago that all the t haters were crying and saying sorry for all their hate towards the Lion Mr. Trump. It's amazing how much hate people had and some still have towards one man. Look at all those WHO were hunting t down with all the impeaches, hoaxes and smearing???? Step downs, arrested, resigning and so much more. Talk about, "where are they now?((The haters)). This President got censored as the sitting President of the Untied States of America and the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces by Jack & Mark. Do you not see the problem? Trump said he would make it his administrations #1 priority, which was to END HUMAN TRAFFICKING!!! Do you see????
 
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