Well, it's really worse than that since it looks like they are going at a minimum "prioritize" the other vaccines. Either they've allowed a dangerous drug to be out on the market for 12 months (in which case those people who said long term analysis was needed were right), or they are for various reasons trying to push people into not making a choice and only taking the mRNA vaccines (which BTW has been a key objection against people reluctant to jab their kids). They don't even realize what they are doing but it's becoming a S show of epic proportions as they torch the last of their credibility. When this is all over, there will be a portion of society that will want to tear the FDA and CDC to the ground and start from scratch.
Get a grip, folks. 9 deaths out of over 17 million patients.
CDC is doing their job, which is to try to reduce that 9 down to zero.
But taking the J&J vaccine is roughly as deadly as driving 50 miles. Both are about a one in 2 million risk.
I found Dads Dr.....
CNN guest advises people to wear masks at Christmas whether 'vaccinated or not'
Dr. William Schaffer also suggested everyone get tested the morning of family gatherings.
"Should we be getting together with our vaccinated loved ones or do you not recommend it?" Camerota asked.
"I would recommend that we hang our stockings with care. I think we have to be careful. If we’re all going to get together, we should all be vaccinated and preferentially boosted. We should wear our masks if we’re uncertain," Dr. Schaffer said.
"I would recommend that we hang our stockings with care. I think we have to be careful. If we’re all going to get together, we should all be vaccinated and preferentially boosted. We should wear our masks if we’re uncertain," Dr. Schaffer said.
And I would certainly say if you’re going to any group event indoors whether you’re vaccinated or not, please wear your mask. And yes, I join the chorus of everyone saying vaccination vaccination vaccination. If you had your first dose, bring those children in age 5 and older. And if you hadn’t gotten your booster and you’re eligible, run, do not walk, and get vaccinated," Schaffer said.
How many have had myocarditis or other cardiovascular events from an mRNA vaccine? Why isn't it the CDCs job then to reduce that risk down to zero, particularly in the other 30 male crowd for which this is a risk? Why then did the CDC allow the shot be out there for almost a year when it's been known for a long time now that there is this risk? If the answer is the "science evolved", can you blame people for being skeptical of rushing out to vaxx people who are not particularly at risk, worried the "science" might evolve further?
Sorry man....there's no real way to defend this from a public relations point of view....
How many have had myocarditis or other cardiovascular events from an mRNA vaccine? Why isn't it the CDCs job then to reduce that risk down to zero, particularly in the other 30 male crowd for which this is a risk? Why then did the CDC allow the shot be out there for almost a year when it's been known for a long time now that there is this risk? If the answer is the "science evolved", can you blame people for being skeptical of rushing out to vaxx people who are not particularly at risk, worried the "science" might evolve further?
Sorry man....there's no real way to defend this from a public relations point of view....
I notice that you don't use any numbers in your argument.How many have had myocarditis or other cardiovascular events from an mRNA vaccine? Why isn't it the CDCs job then to reduce that risk down to zero, particularly in the other 30 male crowd for which this is a risk? Why then did the CDC allow the shot be out there for almost a year when it's been known for a long time now that there is this risk? If the answer is the "science evolved", can you blame people for being skeptical of rushing out to vaxx people who are not particularly at risk, worried the "science" might evolve further?
Sorry man....there's no real way to defend this from a public relations point of view....
What makes you think that people know their risk in advance?
If you ask people, not many will say “I am 50 pounds overweight and I will die 15 years early as a result”. You are more likely to hear “I played lots of sports back when I was younger, but I have a couple extra pounds because my knees just won’t let run like I used to.“
Who is mandating penicillin?The CDC should immediately take penicillin off the market because 500 people died last year. It is ridiculous that the CDC does not reduce that risk to zero. Those who are skeptical whether the benefits of penicillin outweigh the risks are so smart.
You are just as dumb as trump. I don't think he mentioned lung injection but you get the drift. Sodium hypochlorite has undergone clinical trials. It's used in dental offices every day. Other preoperative rinses are also undergoing clinical trials. Will they work? who knows. Safety profile is great, as is povidone iodine , hydrogen peroxide , and others.500 people die per year due to reactions to penicillin, yet here we have the unemployed former equestrian claiming that a drug that has killed 2% of that number is a "dangerous drug".
Only an idiot of the unemployed former equestrian's proportions would believe that an entity "loses credibility" because it recommends one medication as a safer alternative than another. She's probably just bitter that the CDC recommended J&J over injecting bleach into your lungs, blowing sunshine up your ass, and eating horse paste.
This where attention to detail matters. The argument isn't whether a large population is at risk for myocarditis, but rather a very small, healthy population is put in greater risk by administering a vaccine. It's a pillar of discussion during vaccine approval. There have been some studies done, some peer reviewed, some not. The gist is the risk of cardiac adverse events following the second dose of the mRNA vaccine could be around 3.7 times more likely than hospitalization due to COVID-19 in healthy 12-15-year-old boys. Plenty of other factors to consider that may tilt that in the opposite direction of you add 1 or more covid-19 comorbitidy to the equation.I notice that you don't use any numbers in your argument.
See previous note about people who make things sound risky by talking about the harm but never once mentioning the probability.
Biden warns of 'winter of severe illness and death' for the unvaccinated
"It’s here now and it’s spreading and it’s going to increase," the president said about the omicron variant while meeting with his coronavirus response team. "For unvaccinated we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death if you’re unvaccinated for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they will soon overwhelm."
"But, there’s good news," Biden added. "If you’re vaccinated and have your booster shot you’re protected from severe illness and death."
Unless you take the J & J? Tell that to the 9 that died from the J & J Jab.
very nicely and impressively said. I had posted the two studies before which showed that there might be a greater risk for some young males from the mRNA vaccine than COVID but of course dad4 usually glosses over anything that fits his narrative. Additionally, given that there are other choices out there which either have not yet been approved or have been approved in other nations but not the US or the J&J shot, it's a failure of both pharma and public health that there isn't a non-mRNA vaccine option for this group...if you want to mandate things so badly, start by getting one out there (instead of rolling back the approvals)This where attention to detail matters. The argument isn't whether a large population is at risk for myocarditis, but rather a very small, healthy population is put in greater risk by administering a vaccine. It's a pillar of discussion during vaccine approval. There have been some studies done, some peer reviewed, some not. The gist is the risk of cardiac adverse events following the second dose of the mRNA vaccine could be around 3.7 times more likely than hospitalization due to COVID-19 in healthy 12-15-year-old boys. Plenty of other factors to consider that may tilt that in the opposite direction of you add 1 or more covid-19 comorbitidy to the equation.
Bottom line, consider the risk/benefit for your boy child in regards to an mRNA vaccine. If I had a healthy boy child in that age range, vaccination would be out of the question, especially if they play sports or are active in cardiac intensive actvities.
The words "could be" are doing some pretty heavy lifting in that sentence.This where attention to detail matters. The argument isn't whether a large population is at risk for myocarditis, but rather a very small, healthy population is put in greater risk by administering a vaccine. It's a pillar of discussion during vaccine approval. There have been some studies done, some peer reviewed, some not. The gist is the risk of cardiac adverse events following the second dose of the mRNA vaccine could be around 3.7 times more likely than hospitalization due to COVID-19 in healthy 12-15-year-old boys. Plenty of other factors to consider that may tilt that in the opposite direction of you add 1 or more covid-19 comorbitidy to the equation.
Bottom line, consider the risk/benefit for your boy child in regards to an mRNA vaccine. If I had a healthy boy child in that age range, vaccination would be out of the question, especially if they play sports or are active in cardiac intensive actvities.
The words "could be" are doing some pretty heavy lifting in that sentence.
Either way, you only gave us relative risk. That falls short on your "attention to detail" standard. It's an issue, but without knowing absolute risk for male athletes, you can't say how big.
It's also interesting that Trump was incessantly blamed for Covid deaths by the Left. There are more deaths under Biden's administration and that's post vaccination but you don't really hear the Right blaming Biden for the deaths. You will hear people point out that fact, but rarely blame him. Biden does get blamed for everything else and for the most part, deservedly so. Covid deaths are largely out of the control of our politicians, well except for Cuomo and Murphy.From one of the FDA directors who resigned, critical of the Biden admin for bypassing advisory panel on boosters for teens. If Trump had done this, the press would be calling for his head and refusing to take the booster.