Vaccine

kickingandscreaming said:
My point is that simply using vaccination rate to determine herd immunity ignores those who had COVID but were not vaccinated. So, you can't simply compare areas using vaccination rate alone.
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From what I have read neither the vaccine nor previous exposure to Covid provide long lasting immunity. Either having Covid or not the vaccine is extra layer of protection, but I have not read anywhere that herd immunity is even possible. The full body suits worn by the hunter in the movie Predator aren’t far off in the future for us anymore. We may be well into an era that produces basically viruses that have no true cure. Like with HIV, but of course I may be wrong. I always reserve the right to be wrong.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
The point of the article was herd immunity and it makes no sense to discuss what percent needs to be vaccinated for herd immunity without considering what % of the population already had COVID and isn't vaccinated - which was the point of my original statement that you questioned.

"Is it odd that only vaccinated individuals are considered in the % necessary for herd immunity and nothing is said about the population of individuals who are not vaccinated but survived COVID?"

I'll give you the last response and leave it to Grace to find and respond to your moments of lucidity. Personally, I believe they are accidental and not in keeping with your trollish nature.
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I already pointed out the Brazilian example in the article.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
From what I have read neither the vaccine nor previous exposure to Covid provide long lasting immunity. Either having Covid or not the vaccine is extra layer of protection, but I have not read anywhere that herd immunity is even possible. The full body suits worn by the hunter in the movie Predator aren’t far off in the future for us anymore. We may be well into an era that produces basically viruses that have no true cure. Like with HIV, but of course I may be wrong. I always reserve the right to be wrong.
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You have the right to be wrong and we have a right to be right. You have been wrong since I started lurking here years ago. The sad thing about you, you have zero humility. Pride comes before the great fall and humility comes before honor.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
My father use to sing/hum that tune and others on long horse rides as a child. One of the first songs I ever knew.
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When I was working as an electronics technician while in college, one of my jobs was to align a complicated stage of our sonar analyzer products. False indications caused by the electronics, not really in the input, we called spurious signals or "spurs". I had a xerox copy of the alignment procedure where a previous technician had written in the margin "I've got spurs that jingle jangle jingle", and sure enough if I twisted the stage out of alignment all sorts of signals popped up on the final display.
 
espola said:
When I was working as an electronics technician while in college, one of my jobs was to align a complicated stage of our sonar analyzer products. False indications caused by the electronics, not really in the input, we called spurious signals or "spurs". I had a xerox copy of the alignment procedure where a previous technician had written in the margin "I've got spurs that jingle jangle jingle", and sure enough if I twisted the stage out of alignment all sorts of signals popped up on the final display.
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I will not even begin to act like I understand all that but I get the gist.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
I will not even begin to act like I understand all that but I get the gist.
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I ran onto that video as part of the Andy Kaufman Carnegie Hall Holiday Concert. One of the guests was the last surviving member of the pony-girl dancers. Kaufman brought out a hobby horse toy and asked her to redo the dance in the movie. She danced for a while and then feigned collapsing on the stage. Kaufman eventually came out dressed as a witch doctor and raised her from the dead.
 
Brav520 said:
sounds Like he is going to CNN +
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He's one of the few legitimate newspersons left (although I can't think of any others offhand). Obviously CNN is attempting to bring some credibility to their channel but its going to take much more than hiring Wallace.

I'll probably get a lot of flack for this but Fox News is not the same without Wallace, Shepard and Kelly. The trio of Tucker, Hannity and Ingraham is mind numbing. Maybe one of those as extreme punditry, but not all three.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
I will not even begin to act like I understand all that but I get the gist.
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I worked there from '78 to '83, and in that short interval, we went through 4 different generations of that complicated (and error-pron) stage, with the final generation just eliminating it entirely.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
That’s why that response puzzled we as well. Seems the response was simply a reaction to what the poster thought they thought you would think as opposed to what you actually posted.
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"Herd immunity" is one of those sciencey terms that get misused a lot lately. It's not quantitative (as in a certain number) but more of a quantitative description. It's observed, not measured.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
From what I have read neither the vaccine nor previous exposure to Covid provide long lasting immunity. Either having Covid or not the vaccine is extra layer of protection, but I have not read anywhere that herd immunity is even possible. The full body suits worn by the hunter in the movie Predator aren’t far off in the future for us anymore. We may be well into an era that produces basically viruses that have no true cure. Like with HIV, but of course I may be wrong. I always reserve the right to be wrong.
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That's called a " Weasel Clause ".
And you exercise it quite often.

If you had completed or even studied in school you would be embarrassed
at the stupidity you post on this forum and try real hard to back up with
focused insults.

Take ten minutes and go read up on some basic virology, then come back and
admit your failings. No one will fault you if you for once admit how humiliating
it is to post/endorse the horse dung you post here as fact.
 
espola said:
"Herd immunity" is one of those sciencey terms that get misused a lot lately. It's not quantitative (as in a certain number) but more of a quantitative description. It's observed, not measured.
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It's NOT a description, it's FACT.

Stop intentionally lying Adam Espola Schiff.

Herd immunity | definition of herd immunity by Medical dictionary (thefreedictionary.com)

herd immunity
A measure of the transmission potential of a disease, which corresponds to the number of secondary infections produced by a typical case of an infection in a population that is totally susceptible, and can be quantified by counting the number of secondary cases following the introduction of an infection into a totally susceptible population.

Herd immunity occurs when a significant proportion of the population (or the herd) have been vaccinated, and this provides protection for unprotected individuals. The larger the number of people who are vaccinated in a population, the lower the likelihood that a susceptible (unvaccinated) person will come into contact with the infection. It is more difficult for diseases to spread between individuals if large numbers are already immune, and the chain of infection is broken.

The herd immunity threshold is the proportion of a population that need to be immune in order for an infectious disease to become stable in that community. If this is reached—for example due to immunization—then each case leads to a single new case and the infection will become stable within the population, that is, R=1. If the threshold is surpassed, then R<1 and the disease will die out.

For an epidemic to occur in a susceptible population, R0 must be >1 for the number of cases to increase. If the R0 is < 1 the number of cases decreases, as occurs when a new vaccine is introduced.

This is an important measure used in infectious disease control and immunization and eradication programmes.

Factors affecting R0
• Rate of contacts in the host population;
• Probability of infection being transmitted during contact;
• Duration of infectiousness.
 
dad4 said:
I suspect it’s more of a bureaucratic failure than a deliberate power grab. Line the kids up, forms in the box, get your shot, get your pizza, next kid. The exceptions are more difficult, and someone screwed up. You probably had a couple lactose intolerant kids who got cheese, too.
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Ignorance is no excuse.
 
watfly said:
He's one of the few legitimate newspersons left (although I can't think of any others offhand). Obviously CNN is attempting to bring some credibility to their channel but its going to take much more than hiring Wallace.

I'll probably get a lot of flack for this but Fox News is not the same without Wallace, Shepard and Kelly. The trio of Tucker, Hannity and Ingraham is mind numbing. Maybe one of those as extreme punditry, but not all three.
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No more flack from crush bro. I have not watched news tel a vision in a long time. Mind control is real.
 
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