Vaccine

dad4 said:
I notice that you don't use any numbers in your argument.

See previous note about people who make things sound risky by talking about the harm but never once mentioning the probability.
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This where attention to detail matters. The argument isn't whether a large population is at risk for myocarditis, but rather a very small, healthy population is put in greater risk by administering a vaccine. It's a pillar of discussion during vaccine approval. There have been some studies done, some peer reviewed, some not. The gist is the risk of cardiac adverse events following the second dose of the mRNA vaccine could be around 3.7 times more likely than hospitalization due to COVID-19 in healthy 12-15-year-old boys. Plenty of other factors to consider that may tilt that in the opposite direction of you add 1 or more covid-19 comorbitidy to the equation.

Bottom line, consider the risk/benefit for your boy child in regards to an mRNA vaccine. If I had a healthy boy child in that age range, vaccination would be out of the question, especially if they play sports or are active in cardiac intensive actvities.
 
Biden warns of 'winter of severe illness and death' for the unvaccinated

"It’s here now and it’s spreading and it’s going to increase," the president said about the omicron variant while meeting with his coronavirus response team. "For unvaccinated we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death if you’re unvaccinated for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they will soon overwhelm."

"But, there’s good news," Biden added. "If you’re vaccinated and have your booster shot you’re protected from severe illness and death."

Unless you take the J & J? Tell that to the 9 that died from the J & J Jab.
 
crush said:
Biden warns of 'winter of severe illness and death' for the unvaccinated

"It’s here now and it’s spreading and it’s going to increase," the president said about the omicron variant while meeting with his coronavirus response team. "For unvaccinated we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death if you’re unvaccinated for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they will soon overwhelm."

"But, there’s good news," Biden added. "If you’re vaccinated and have your booster shot you’re protected from severe illness and death."

Unless you take the J & J? Tell that to the 9 that died from the J & J Jab.
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Biden 10/2020


I'm not going to shut down the country.

I'm not going to shut down the economy.

I'm going to shut down the virus.
 
Put Kamala in!

During a campaign debate last fall, Biden took a jabat then-President Trump for the 220,000 COVID-19 deaths in America, claiming that "anyone who is responsible for that many deaths should not remain as President of the United States of America.
 
what-happened said:
This where attention to detail matters. The argument isn't whether a large population is at risk for myocarditis, but rather a very small, healthy population is put in greater risk by administering a vaccine. It's a pillar of discussion during vaccine approval. There have been some studies done, some peer reviewed, some not. The gist is the risk of cardiac adverse events following the second dose of the mRNA vaccine could be around 3.7 times more likely than hospitalization due to COVID-19 in healthy 12-15-year-old boys. Plenty of other factors to consider that may tilt that in the opposite direction of you add 1 or more covid-19 comorbitidy to the equation.

Bottom line, consider the risk/benefit for your boy child in regards to an mRNA vaccine. If I had a healthy boy child in that age range, vaccination would be out of the question, especially if they play sports or are active in cardiac intensive actvities.
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very nicely and impressively said. I had posted the two studies before which showed that there might be a greater risk for some young males from the mRNA vaccine than COVID but of course dad4 usually glosses over anything that fits his narrative. Additionally, given that there are other choices out there which either have not yet been approved or have been approved in other nations but not the US or the J&J shot, it's a failure of both pharma and public health that there isn't a non-mRNA vaccine option for this group...if you want to mandate things so badly, start by getting one out there (instead of rolling back the approvals)

I just saw the South Park post-covid special part 2. It's really good. The first 5 minutes are pretty moving and reminded me exactly how COVID went down at first. No spoilers, but the basic takeaway theme of the special was that if both sides were a little bit more respectful to each other, COVID wouldn't have been as much of a nightmare. It's a really simplistic morale but it hides a deeper one. The special really makes the point that every policy decision will make winners and losers. And even more deeply (a la Star Trek II), it dives in depth to whether the needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few (or the one). It doesn't reach a conclusion, but it complicates things a lot in that everyone is acting out of selfish motives, particularly the two villains of the piece, who are willing to destroy lives to save their own. It was deep....South Park at its best.
 
what-happened said:
This where attention to detail matters. The argument isn't whether a large population is at risk for myocarditis, but rather a very small, healthy population is put in greater risk by administering a vaccine. It's a pillar of discussion during vaccine approval. There have been some studies done, some peer reviewed, some not. The gist is the risk of cardiac adverse events following the second dose of the mRNA vaccine could be around 3.7 times more likely than hospitalization due to COVID-19 in healthy 12-15-year-old boys. Plenty of other factors to consider that may tilt that in the opposite direction of you add 1 or more covid-19 comorbitidy to the equation.

Bottom line, consider the risk/benefit for your boy child in regards to an mRNA vaccine. If I had a healthy boy child in that age range, vaccination would be out of the question, especially if they play sports or are active in cardiac intensive actvities.
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The words "could be" are doing some pretty heavy lifting in that sentence.

Either way, you only gave us relative risk. That falls short on your "attention to detail" standard. It's an issue, but without knowing absolute risk for male athletes, you can't say how big.
 
dad4 said:
The words "could be" are doing some pretty heavy lifting in that sentence.

Either way, you only gave us relative risk. That falls short on your "attention to detail" standard. It's an issue, but without knowing absolute risk for male athletes, you can't say how big.
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If you can't say how big, you don't mandate it until you are sure!
 
Grace T. said:
From one of the FDA directors who resigned, critical of the Biden admin for bypassing advisory panel on boosters for teens. If Trump had done this, the press would be calling for his head and refusing to take the booster.
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It's also interesting that Trump was incessantly blamed for Covid deaths by the Left. There are more deaths under Biden's administration and that's post vaccination but you don't really hear the Right blaming Biden for the deaths. You will hear people point out that fact, but rarely blame him. Biden does get blamed for everything else and for the most part, deservedly so. Covid deaths are largely out of the control of our politicians, well except for Cuomo and Murphy.
 
Grace T. said:
From one of the FDA directors who resigned, critical of the Biden admin for bypassing advisory panel on boosters for teens. If Trump had done this, the press would be calling for his head and refusing to take the booster.
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The article also criticizes Trump for the same thing.

Of course, you never mentioned that part.

He makes a good point, but it isn't the partisan attack you want it to be. It's an appeal to trust the experts.

Kind of funny that you are pretending to be on that side. I mean, if the experts are all wrong, why not skip the advisory panels?
 
dad4 said:
The article also criticizes Trump for the same thing.

Of course, you never mentioned that part.

He makes a good point, but it isn't the partisan attack you want it to be. It's an appeal to trust the experts.

Kind of funny that you are pretending to be on that side. I mean, if the experts are all wrong, why not skip the advisory panels?
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That’s not why he bypassed them. The experts might have given him the ok. He’s worried about the increasing minority of experts that are critical of the covid safe policies. So why give them a platform where they critique? The issue with you, as has been pointed out and shown repeatedly, isn’t that you trust the experts: it’s that you only trust the establishmentarian experts that agree with your world view and everyone else is a fringe lunatic.

ps I’m no trump fan. I hope he doesn’t run in 2024 and makes way for de santis. On the left Harris and buttleig are damaged goods and Hillary has been putting out trial balloons for herself. Trump v Hillary would be the worst thing to ever happen to this country since the last trump v Hillary. My post isn’t so much a defense of trump than a critique of the media
 
dad4 said:
The words "could be" are doing some pretty heavy lifting in that sentence.

Either way, you only gave us relative risk. That falls short on your "attention to detail" standard. It's an issue, but without knowing absolute risk for male athletes, you can't say how big.
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The word "could" does heavy lifting in science and research. "Could" overload hospitals, "could" do this, "could" do that. But you do know the risk of covid in young healthy males - it's very, very low. Most won't even know they have covid or think it's the sniffles. Besides, I'm not giving you anything, I'm referencing data/research. You are a smart person, go and look it up. If you are a parent of a healthy male child between 5-18, you should be well informed of all of the risk and be allowed to make your own decision. Emergency use authorization is a rather new phenomena for the FDA and protects companies from liabilities. Personally, I think it's a racket but that's just my opinion.

The bottom line is my0carditis in young healthy males isn't a normal occurence and not something that should be glossed over. Anecdotally and in research I've seen, the recorded levels of troponin complex in some of these cases has been unusually high. Never a good thing in a healthy child. You shouldn't apply the same calculus to the 0-12 age group as you do the 65+ age group. Who cares if someone age 65 dies in 15 years from the vaccine.

Lastly, maintain your standard of empathy - 299 out 300, one person still dies, not good thing for that person. 1 healthy male affected by a cardiac event that "could" impact the rest of his life..not a good thing. Does myocarditis usually resolve on its own..yep. Does it always? nope. High T levels is the most concerning thing. I know I certainly wouldn't take the risk with my healthy boy child. Many parents will - and I wish them well.
 
Grace T. said:
That’s not why he bypassed them. The experts might have given him the ok. He’s worried about the increasing minority of experts that are critical of the covid safe policies. So why give them a platform where they critique? The issue with you, as has been pointed out and shown repeatedly, isn’t that you trust the experts: it’s that you only trust the establishmentarian experts that agree with your world view and everyone else is a fringe lunatic.

ps I’m no trump fan. I hope he doesn’t run in 2024 and makes way for de santis. On the left Harris and buttleig are damaged goods and Hillary has been putting out trial balloons for herself. Trump v Hillary would be the worst thing to ever happen to this country since the last trump v Hillary. My post isn’t so much a defense of trump than a critique of the media
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of course the media reaction had this been Trump would be different

I saw Hillary was on TV last week reading her acceptance speech, must be hard for her to find peace . She must look at Biden and think “wtf “.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Everyone looks at Biden and say WTF. Democrats just do it under their breath.
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South Africa is doing out in the open. They ((the cheaters)) are trying to find someone to blame. One would also thing that South Africa would be dead by now????

JUST IN - South Africa hospitalization rate plunges to only 1.7% in #Omicron wave, compared with 19% in previous "Delta-driven" wave - Health Minister

Only 26% of the population in South Africa is fully vaccinated.
 
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I hope sanity returns sometimes soon.

Men competing against women...and breaking women's records.

You want to pretend you are a woman and dress up like one...have at it. Very few care.

You want to pretend you are a women and compete against them in WOMEN's sports sorry pal. A bridge too far.

It is a farce. And too many people won't say anything because they don't want to be called a bigot or whatever.


After the race, the teammate said, Thomas could be overheard bragging, 'That was so easy, I was cruising,' before adding, 'At least I'm still No. 1 in the country.'

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At some point women need to stand up and say enough.

Right now the pressure is on these women to shut up.

In the week after the Zippy Invitational, two of Thomas' female UPenn teammates anonymously spoke out about their frustrations of having a transgender teammate, despite the entire team being 'strongly advised' not to speak to the media.

One of the swimmers told sports website OutKick that UPenn swimmers were upset and crying as they knew their times were going to be obliterated by her.

'Usually everyone claps, everyone is yelling and cheering when someone wins a race,' she said of the Zippy Invitational. 'Lia touched the wall and it was just silent in there. When fellow Penn swimmer Anna Kalandadze finished second, the crowd erupted in applause.'

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UPenn parents pen poignant letter demanding the NCAA change rules

Parents of the UPenn women's swim team are demanding the NCAA change rules that have permitted transgender swimmer Lia Thomas to compete.
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