MicPaPa
GOLD
It appears only morons think they didn't.
Vaccine
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Desert Hound
DA
This is an example why I don't "trust" the experts automatically.
I am always skeptical. It is the smart thing to do/be.
One cannot auto assume an expert or experts should be believed. Especially since their funding/livelihood in many cases depends on pleasing the masters above. Even more so when their funding/jobs are gov dependent.
www.newscientist.com
I am always skeptical. It is the smart thing to do/be.
One cannot auto assume an expert or experts should be believed. Especially since their funding/livelihood in many cases depends on pleasing the masters above. Even more so when their funding/jobs are gov dependent.
Investigation fails to replicate most cancer biology lab findings
The reliability of early-stage cancer biology research is called into question by an investigation that concludes more than half of experimental results can’t be replicated by independent scientists
www.newscientist.com
kickingandscreaming
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Dem governor declares COVID-19 emergency ‘over,’ says it’s ‘their own darn fault’ if unvaccinated get sick
Colorado Gov. Jared Polis, a Democrat, told Colorado Public Radio on Friday that he won’t be implementing another statewide mask mandate in response to the spread of the COVID-19 omicron variant.
Colorado Gov. Jared Polis, a Democrat, declared in a new interview that the COVID-19 emergency is "over" and that he won’t be implementing another statewide mask mandate in response to the spread of the omicron variant, explaining that if people aren’t vaccinated at this point it’s their "own darn fault" if they get sick.
"The emergency is over," he said. "You know, public health [officials] don’t get to tell people what to wear; that's just not their job. Public health [officials] would say to always wear a mask because it decreases flu and decreases [other airborne illnesses]. But that's not something that you require; you don't tell people what to wear. You don't tell people to wear a jacket when they go out in winter and force them to [wear it]. If they get frostbite, it's their own darn fault.
"Those who get sick, it's almost entirely their own darn fault," he continued. "I don't want to say that nobody [will get the virus if they’re] vaccinated, but it's very rare. Just to put it in perspective, of the about 1400 people hospitalized, less than 200 (or 16 percent) are vaccinated. And many of them are older or have other conditions. Eighty-four percent of the people in our hospitals are unvaccinated, and they absolutely had every chance to get vaccinated."
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Note that this is from a state that was in the top 10 most restrictive states earlier this year.Dem governor declares COVID-19 emergency ‘over,’ says it’s ‘their own darn fault’ if unvaccinated get sick
Colorado Gov. Jared Polis, a Democrat, told Colorado Public Radio on Friday that he won’t be implementing another statewide mask mandate in response to the spread of the COVID-19 omicron variant.news.yahoo.com
Colorado Gov. Jared Polis, a Democrat, declared in a new interview that the COVID-19 emergency is "over" and that he won’t be implementing another statewide mask mandate in response to the spread of the omicron variant, explaining that if people aren’t vaccinated at this point it’s their "own darn fault" if they get sick.
"The emergency is over," he said. "You know, public health [officials] don’t get to tell people what to wear; that's just not their job. Public health [officials] would say to always wear a mask because it decreases flu and decreases [other airborne illnesses]. But that's not something that you require; you don't tell people what to wear. You don't tell people to wear a jacket when they go out in winter and force them to [wear it]. If they get frostbite, it's their own darn fault.
"Those who get sick, it's almost entirely their own darn fault," he continued. "I don't want to say that nobody [will get the virus if they’re] vaccinated, but it's very rare. Just to put it in perspective, of the about 1400 people hospitalized, less than 200 (or 16 percent) are vaccinated. And many of them are older or have other conditions. Eighty-four percent of the people in our hospitals are unvaccinated, and they absolutely had every chance to get vaccinated."
This is an example why I don't "trust" the experts automatically.
I am always skeptical. It is the smart thing to do/be.
One cannot auto assume an expert or experts should be believed. Especially since their funding/livelihood in many cases depends on pleasing the masters above. Even more so when their funding/jobs are gov dependent.
Investigation fails to replicate most cancer biology lab findings
The reliability of early-stage cancer biology research is called into question by an investigation that concludes more than half of experimental results can’t be replicated by independent scientists
I suppose that’s true, if by “skeptic” you mean “someone who us impervious to information they don’t like”.
It’s been about 20 months. By now, there is plenty of evidence. Are you willing to admit that indoor bars and restaurants increase aerosol respiratory disease transmission?
My bet is you still pretend it isn’t true.
what-happened
GOLD
Imagine this econonmy after 20 months of no bars/restaurants. I get your fear of them but they aren't the boogy man you make them out to be.
Desert Hound
DA
I see you have summed up your position on things perfectly. IE despite evidence to the contrary you still want masks, distancing, etc.
Though slowly but surely there are some cracks in your opinion as reality keeps setting in.
Any place people congregate will be a transmission point. Homes being the number 1 area where transmission occurs.
In no sane world would we be shutting stuff down for 20 months or even a few months. It wouldn't make a difference.
You have this myopic view that restaurants/bars are the reason the virus spreads. Completely overlooking the fact that people have to work in countless places where the virus will spread. Grocery stores, factories, construction, etc etc. Ignoring that most people have to go in to work, and pretending that a bar or restaurant is the real cause is fantasy on your part.
Complete fantasy.
Doing stuff outside like you repeatedly advise? Another fantasy. People are not going to other people's houses and hanging in the front yard to be safe.
People have to work. That involves being with other people for long hours. People are social creatures. They are going to go out and hang out with friends.
You seem to think if we can waive away economics (we have to work) and waive away what humans naturally do, THEN we can stop the virus.
For most of us it is pretty easy to see reality. And because of that it was pretty easy very early on to know that your solutions wouldn't work.
Wrong again. I just knew that people would always act certain ways. You looking at your models wished they would act in ways not in our nature. You live/lived in fantasy land. Your models don't work in the real world.
Hüsker Dü
DA
I buy into that. As he says if you are too stupid to take care of yourself it’s your own darn fault. That of course is at the state level. I still feel private businesses have the right to make their own rules as it pertains to the “too stupid” amongst us.Dem governor declares COVID-19 emergency ‘over,’ says it’s ‘their own darn fault’ if unvaccinated get sick
Colorado Gov. Jared Polis, a Democrat, told Colorado Public Radio on Friday that he won’t be implementing another statewide mask mandate in response to the spread of the COVID-19 omicron variant.
Colorado Gov. Jared Polis, a Democrat, declared in a new interview that the COVID-19 emergency is "over" and that he won’t be implementing another statewide mask mandate in response to the spread of the omicron variant, explaining that if people aren’t vaccinated at this point it’s their "own darn fault" if they get sick.
"The emergency is over," he said. "You know, public health [officials] don’t get to tell people what to wear; that's just not their job. Public health [officials] would say to always wear a mask because it decreases flu and decreases [other airborne illnesses]. But that's not something that you require; you don't tell people what to wear. You don't tell people to wear a jacket when they go out in winter and force them to [wear it]. If they get frostbite, it's their own darn fault.
"Those who get sick, it's almost entirely their own darn fault," he continued. "I don't want to say that nobody [will get the virus if they’re] vaccinated, but it's very rare. Just to put it in perspective, of the about 1400 people hospitalized, less than 200 (or 16 percent) are vaccinated. And many of them are older or have other conditions. Eighty-four percent of the people in our hospitals are unvaccinated, and they absolutely had every chance to get vaccinated."
Hüsker Dü
DA
Airflow or lack thereof is the culprit.
In other words, people should be able to make their own medical choices and be accountable for those choices and not play the victim if something happens to them. You should be responsible for your own health choices and not put that burden on others.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Yes, the government has tried to a wits end to inform people of the precautions and risks. It should be mostly out of their hands now and left to individuals to decide what they think is best. Individuals from the donut shop to the mall to school boards, etc. If you are too stupid or arrogant to comply with the wishes of others you deserve to be outcasts. And no demanding others take the same risks with their health and the health of those around them is not how proper members of society conduct themselves. That is not freedom of choice that is just dumb.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
I liked this quote. It's a bit too "self-responsibility" focused for the paternalistic left of CA but it does show the general trend is continuing to move away from mandates.
"The emergency is over," he said. "You know, public health [officials] don’t get to tell people what to wear; that's just not their job. Public health [officials] would say to always wear a mask because it decreases flu and decreases [other airborne illnesses]. But that's not something that you require; you don't tell people what to wear. You don't tell people to wear a jacket when they go out in winter and force them to [wear it]. If they get frostbite, it's their own darn fault.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Yeah, I saw that as well. Johnson said it's already over 40% of the cases and will be over half by tomorrow - yet they just had the first death "attributed" to the variant. I believe there's a reason to be optimistic that the variant is significantly less deadly than prior versions. For one, there are multiple reports of milder symptoms meaning the true number of cases may be significantly underreported. Also, if there was any hint that the variant was at least as bad as prior variants, we'd have seen headlines already about the coming deaths. It is a bit tricky with vaccinations and prior infections to get a good handle on it but it's been around long enough to have a decent idea of where things are going and no one is willing to even suggest that it may be as bad or worse.
First confirmed death from Omicron variant in UK
The UK has confirmed its first death from the Omicron coronavirus variant as scientists race to determine how dangerous it is. Follow here for the latest news.
what-happened
GOLD
In other words you don't own a business that relies on in person patronage?
what-happened
GOLD
Say again.
Yeah, it would be tough. Not only would we have a smaller economic base, but we’d also still have a few hundred thousand more elderly people to care for.
I am not saying it was only bars and restaurants. It was anywhere people gather together indoors. And it was worse for any place with more people, more talking, longer time, less distance, fewer masks, or poor ventilation. Bars just happen to hit every one of those risk factors.