Vaccine

[Desert Hound]

This has been obvious for a while but Governors needed cover for their recent mask mandates so "poof" there it is. Get ready for Omicron booster mandates.

Well they are looking for ways to fight this...

No not the fact that the vaxxed spread the virus...but fighting to prevent people from knowing the truth. And Twitter is there to help keep the masses uninformed.


Twitter will begin imposing penalties on users who claim that vaccinated people can spread Covid-19, according to a change quietly added to the website’s terms of service.

“When tweets include misleading information about Covid-19, we may place a label on those tweets that includes corrective information about that claim,” the website notes in a section detailing its rules about Covid-19 misinformation. “We may apply labels to tweets that contain, for example… false or misleading claims that people who have received the vaccine can spread or shed the virus (or symptoms, or immunity) to unvaccinated people.”

Twitter to Penalize Users Who Claim Vaccinated People Can Spread Covid-19

Twitter will begin imposing penalties up to a permanent ban on users who claim that vaccinated people can spread Covid-19, according to a change quietly added to the website's terms of service.

www.mediaite.com

 

[crush]

Breaking ... Cornell University goes remote after reporting over 900 COVID cases this week, VP for University Relations Joel Malina says "virtually every" case has been found in fully-vaccinated students, many of whom received the booster shot - CNN

I bet they will be traced back to some family member over Thanksgiving or a Pub that was not vaxxed 100%. I actually see something that has me praying for everyone in our country, vaxxed or non vax. Were all in this together and we all need to lend a helping hand. Regardless of your politics, people who got jabbed are the one's getting sick. The non jabbed that are getting sick is because their not healthy. No one healthy get's sick.

 

[Grace T.]

If we have a flu that is as dangerous to kids as the 1918 flu? I would absolutely support a flu shot mandate for schools.

Did you think 1918/1919 was just an ordinary bad flu year? It killed three times as many people as World War 1.

As to kids, flu kills more of them than COVID does. So it's the sheer number of people you worry about? Presumably then, if the IFR for the omicron does indeed (yeah I know...early...wait for the UK...there's also some interest data that because it attacks the bronchi more efficiently than the lungs it might also take longer to hit critical) falls to the level of the flu, and everyone catches the omicron (for which vaccine deployment will be too late), the need then for a COVID vaccine would no longer exist if 100,000 elderly people die every year from it and its just endemic? 28,000 died in the moderate flu year of 2018 (sometimes the number can hit for the US as high or over 50,000). Your argument for vaccines then is "yeah you might have to take 4 or more but eventually it becomes optional once the numbers aren't as high?"

 

[Grace T.]

The current new hospitalization rate is about 7,000/day in the US.

What part of the drug is most effective before the patient is hospitalized didn't you understand? The choice if there isn't enough is therefore: ration it by waiting until people get hospitalized in which case it will be less effective, or give it out early to only the vulnerable groups.

 

[dad4]

This is going to throw you for a loop dad. It takes one of your big crutches away from you.

From the CDC.

The newly released report showing that vaccinated people can still be superspreaders drove the recent decision by the CDC to once again recommend masks for vaccinated people indoors where case counts are high or substantial.

The viral load of vaccinated people with breakthrough cases is the same as in unvaccinated people, the CDC said Friday.

With that in mind....that takes the last shreds of the logic of the vax mandate. The vaxxed can still be super spreaders. The vaxxed spread at the same rate as the unvaxxed. It also removes your thought that IF the unvaxxed just got vaxxed this would all be over.

Now that does not negate the fact that as of now, getting vaxxed will help those at high risk of being hospitalized and/or getting very sick.

"High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus," CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said in a statement. "

CDC report shows vaccinated people can spread COVID-19 - Roll Call

A newly released Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report shows that vaccinated people can still be superspreaders.

www.rollcall.com

You’re posting the same concept as before, so I’ll give you the same answer as before,

Do vaccinated people have equal odds of catching it?
Do they stay contagious for the same time?

The answers are No, and No. Vaccinated people do not have the same risk of catching and transmitting covid. They are less likely to start transmitting, and transmit for a shorter time. Therefore, they infect fewer people, despite the high peak viral load.

Same as the last time you made this exact same argument.

 

[watfly]

Well they are looking for ways to fight this...

No not the fact that the vaxxed spread the virus...but fighting to prevent people from knowing the truth. And Twitter is there to help keep the masses uninformed.


Twitter will begin imposing penalties on users who claim that vaccinated people can spread Covid-19, according to a change quietly added to the website’s terms of service.

“When tweets include misleading information about Covid-19, we may place a label on those tweets that includes corrective information about that claim,” the website notes in a section detailing its rules about Covid-19 misinformation. “We may apply labels to tweets that contain, for example… false or misleading claims that people who have received the vaccine can spread or shed the virus (or symptoms, or immunity) to unvaccinated people.”

Twitter to Penalize Users Who Claim Vaccinated People Can Spread Covid-19

Twitter will begin imposing penalties up to a permanent ban on users who claim that vaccinated people can spread Covid-19, according to a change quietly added to the website's terms of service.

www.mediaite.com

It's a high wire act right now, trying to balance you need to wear a mask because the vaxxed spread the disease vs. the vaxx is the best thing since slice bread.

 

[Grace T.]

Well they are looking for ways to fight this...

No not the fact that the vaxxed spread the virus...but fighting to prevent people from knowing the truth. And Twitter is there to help keep the masses uninformed.


Twitter will begin imposing penalties on users who claim that vaccinated people can spread Covid-19, according to a change quietly added to the website’s terms of service.

“When tweets include misleading information about Covid-19, we may place a label on those tweets that includes corrective information about that claim,” the website notes in a section detailing its rules about Covid-19 misinformation. “We may apply labels to tweets that contain, for example… false or misleading claims that people who have received the vaccine can spread or shed the virus (or symptoms, or immunity) to unvaccinated people.”

Twitter to Penalize Users Who Claim Vaccinated People Can Spread Covid-19

Twitter will begin imposing penalties up to a permanent ban on users who claim that vaccinated people can spread Covid-19, according to a change quietly added to the website's terms of service.

www.mediaite.com

Wow Twitter is going full Ministry of Truth 1984 on this one. Can't believe the article is true.

 

[Grace T.]

Another one....

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1471212489085968386

 

[dad4]

Wow Twitter is going full Ministry of Truth 1984 on this one. Can't believe the article is true.

The article is most likely misinterpreted.

My bet is they are cracking down on people who say that getting the vaccine makes it possible for you to spread the virus.

 

[watfly]

I have a healthy, I would say, distrust of government, mainly because its led by politicians and I have zero real trust for any politician. I trust the medical profession far more and have several doctor friends and in-laws and listen to them far more than any advice from government.

I also got vaccinated for personal protection. I dislike masks, and prefer not to wear one, but will if needed.

With respects to being healthy etc. - from my personal experience; my 83 year old mother got Covid pre-vaccine and it was touch and go. She was/is healthy, but old. An 8 day hospital stay and a couple of months at home and she was good again. She is vaccined up now. My 14 year old niece also got Covid. It was mild and she seemed to recover quickly. She was a multi sport athlete ... was, because she now has long Covid, can only make school for 3 days a week before she is exhausted (sleeping 20 hours per day for a couple of days, to recover) and all sports are out. We don't know when she will recover.

IMO, everyone should treat the virus with "respect". It doesn't care if you are healthy or not, or if you don't know you are not ... just look at Erickson & Aguero - professional soccer players both with pre-existing heart conditions that they didn't know about despite how many medicals over their careers.

Glad to hear your mom survived, and very sorry to hear about your niece and I hope she will recover in full. My mom is 89 and while relatively healthy for an 89 year old, not sure she could have survived Covid. It was tricky with her because she said that being isolated was not living. We never kept our kids away from her during Covid (that would have crushed her soul) but we were very careful. I've seen stories of grandparents not seeing their grandchildren for over a year and it breaks my heart. I really can't fathom doing that to a grandparent, but every situation is different.

Respect is a good word to use. We took a careful but balanced approach to Covid pre-vax, active socially but outside mostly if it wasn't family. Post-vax activity resembles pre-Covid activity, with the exception of avoiding people that are infected (aka don't be stupid). Its worked for us.

 

[watfly]

The article is most likely misinterpreted.

My bet is they are cracking down on people who say that getting the vaccine makes it possible for you to spread the virus.

Well best way to find out is post something on Twitter stating that the vaccinated can be superspreaders and see what happens. I don't have Twitter so GraceT are you up to the task?

 

[dad4]

As to kids, flu kills more of them than COVID does. So it's the sheer number of people you worry about? Presumably then, if the IFR for the omicron does indeed (yeah I know...early...wait for the UK...there's also some interest data that because it attacks the bronchi more efficiently than the lungs it might also take longer to hit critical) falls to the level of the flu, and everyone catches the omicron (for which vaccine deployment will be too late), the need then for a COVID vaccine would no longer exist if 100,000 elderly people die every year from it and its just endemic? 28,000 died in the moderate flu year of 2018 (sometimes the number can hit for the US as high or over 50,000). Your argument for vaccines then is "yeah you might have to take 4 or more but eventually it becomes optional once the numbers aren't as high?"

Not IFR. I am looking to UK to get a sense for peak hospitalizations.

IFR will be inconsistent if they run into resource limits, like India did with Delta and oxygen.

 

[espola]

What part of the drug is most effective before the patient is hospitalized didn't you understand? The choice if there isn't enough is therefore: ration it by waiting until people get hospitalized in which case it will be less effective, or give it out early to only the vulnerable groups.

"If"? Nobody says rationing but you.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

La Mesans don't intermingle with El Cajonians, actually no one intermingles with El Cajonians.

So based on your position you would be in favor of a mandate for the HPV vaccine? It's over 99% effective and would eliminate 70% of cervical cancer. The Covid vaccine doesn't come anywhere close to that effectiveness.

Talk about windmills . . .

 

[Hüsker Dü]

The higher effectiveness for HPV vaccine makes personal choice more feasable. A family really can protect their daughter by getting the shot.

The catch is, it’s really hard to ask a father to view his 14 year old daughter as someone who might be having sex. A good friend of mine in high school got cervical cancer before the vaccine was developed. She was in her 20s, but she was active in high school. Had the vaccine been around, the dad probably would have declined it and explained that his daughter was a good Catholic girl. Good kid, good dad. Just not talking on that one issue.

A HPV vaccine mandate might help kids like that. At a minimum, the 14 year old kid should be able to get the HPV shot without parental permission. No need for teenagers to get cancer just because dad can’t handle who his kid really is.

Most people won’t admit who they really are no less their offspring.

 

[dad4]

Well best way to find out is post something on Twitter stating that the vaccinated can be superspreaders and see what happens. I don't have Twitter so GraceT are you up to the task?

Not sure why you want to. Is your goal to trick other people into not getting vaccinated?

Most people can’t parse the difference between the true version and the false version of that sentence.

( Vaccinated people can be superspreaders.) ( Vaccines can make people superspreaders. )

 

[Grace T.]

"If"? Nobody says rationing but you.

Meh. It wasn't my idea. I'm just parroting what I'm seeing on leftist twitter right now.

 

[Grace T.]

Not IFR. I am looking to UK to get a sense for peak hospitalizations.

IFR will be inconsistent if they run into resource limits, like India did with Delta and oxygen.

Fair, but I doubt they will run into resource limits unless the IFR is being vastly understated (which, as you point out, is possible given South Africa is young, not fat and out of season)

 

[Grace T.]

Glad to hear your mom survived, and very sorry to hear about your niece and I hope she will recover in full. My mom is 89 and while relatively healthy for an 89 year old, not sure she could have survived Covid. It was tricky with her because she said that being isolated was not living. We never kept our kids away from her during Covid (that would have crushed her soul) but we were very careful. I've seen stories of grandparents not seeing their grandchildren for over a year and it breaks my heart. I really can't fathom doing that to a grandparent, but every situation is different.

Respect is a good word to use. We took a careful but balanced approach to Covid pre-vax, active socially but outside mostly if it wasn't family. Post-vax activity resembles pre-Covid activity, with the exception of avoiding people that are infected (aka don't be stupid). Its worked for us.

My kids did their chores....post office runs, pharmacy, supermarket. The youngest had a high antibody count which meant he was bullet proof. Wish we had been sure about natural immunity back then....we wouldn't have had to separate them.

 

[what-happened]

“cry wolf?”

You have 800,000 people dead in the US and an estimated 15 million dead worldwide.

How many people have to die before you can admit that there is really a wolf?

Are you waiting for an even million in the US? Or are you waiting for the international estimate to hit 20 million?

Quit being so dramatic. Yes, there are 800K people dead with plenty of blame to be thrown around. It's highly likley we'll get to a million by this time next year, if not sooner. The irony is we have more tools at our disposal now than we did when this started. And yes, we are crying wolf over Omicron.

Get back to me when you can convince American society as a whole to become healthier. Until you do that, sars-cov-2's affinity for fat will continue to kill americans. Masks, lockdowns, school closures, mandates - none of that will ever work because you can't make any of it permanent. Your linear world doesn't exist ouside of your zip code. If anything, given your zip codes demographics, you could be the least restrctive area in the country and be really, really successful at leading a pre covid life. Isn't that ironic?

Someone in your neck of the woods who gets sick has access and the means for early disease intervention with safe and proven drug treatments. The world is a funny place.