As to kids, flu kills more of them than COVID does. So it's the sheer number of people you worry about? Presumably then, if the IFR for the omicron does indeed (yeah I know...early...wait for the UK...there's also some interest data that because it attacks the bronchi more efficiently than the lungs it might also take longer to hit critical) falls to the level of the flu, and everyone catches the omicron (for which vaccine deployment will be too late), the need then for a COVID vaccine would no longer exist if 100,000 elderly people die every year from it and its just endemic? 28,000 died in the moderate flu year of 2018 (sometimes the number can hit for the US as high or over 50,000). Your argument for vaccines then is "yeah you might have to take 4 or more but eventually it becomes optional once the numbers aren't as high?"
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As to kids, flu kills more of them than COVID does. So it's the sheer number of people you worry about? Presumably then, if the IFR for the omicron does indeed (yeah I know...early...wait for the UK...there's also some interest data that because it attacks the bronchi more efficiently than the lungs it might also take longer to hit critical) falls to the level of the flu, and everyone catches the omicron (for which vaccine deployment will be too late), the need then for a COVID vaccine would no longer exist if 100,000 elderly people die every year from it and its just endemic? 28,000 died in the moderate flu year of 2018 (sometimes the number can hit for the US as high or over 50,000). Your argument for vaccines then is "yeah you might have to take 4 or more but eventually it becomes optional once the numbers aren't as high?"
What part of the drug is most effective before the patient is hospitalized didn't you understand? The choice if there isn't enough is therefore: ration it by waiting until people get hospitalized in which case it will be less effective, or give it out early to only the vulnerable groups.
You’re posting the same concept as before, so I’ll give you the same answer as before,This is going to throw you for a loop dad. It takes one of your big crutches away from you.
From the CDC.
The newly released report showing that vaccinated people can still be superspreaders drove the recent decision by the CDC to once again recommend masks for vaccinated people indoors where case counts are high or substantial.
The viral load of vaccinated people with breakthrough cases is the same as in unvaccinated people, the CDC said Friday.
With that in mind....that takes the last shreds of the logic of the vax mandate. The vaxxed can still be super spreaders. The vaxxed spread at the same rate as the unvaxxed. It also removes your thought that IF the unvaxxed just got vaxxed this would all be over.
Now that does not negate the fact that as of now, getting vaxxed will help those at high risk of being hospitalized and/or getting very sick.
"High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus," CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said in a statement. "
CDC report shows vaccinated people can spread COVID-19 - Roll Call
A newly released Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report shows that vaccinated people can still be superspreaders.www.rollcall.com
Do vaccinated people have equal odds of catching it?
Do they stay contagious for the same time?
The answers are No, and No. Vaccinated people do not have the same risk of catching and transmitting covid. They are less likely to start transmitting, and transmit for a shorter time. Therefore, they infect fewer people, despite the high peak viral load.
Same as the last time you made this exact same argument.
It's a high wire act right now, trying to balance you need to wear a mask because the vaxxed spread the disease vs. the vaxx is the best thing since slice bread.Well they are looking for ways to fight this...
No not the fact that the vaxxed spread the virus...but fighting to prevent people from knowing the truth. And Twitter is there to help keep the masses uninformed.
Twitter will begin imposing penalties on users who claim that vaccinated people can spread Covid-19, according to a change quietly added to the website’s terms of service.
“When tweets include misleading information about Covid-19, we may place a label on those tweets that includes corrective information about that claim,” the website notes in a section detailing its rules about Covid-19 misinformation. “We may apply labels to tweets that contain, for example… false or misleading claims that people who have received the vaccine can spread or shed the virus (or symptoms, or immunity) to unvaccinated people.”
Twitter to Penalize Users Who Claim Vaccinated People Can Spread Covid-19
Twitter will begin imposing penalties up to a permanent ban on users who claim that vaccinated people can spread Covid-19, according to a change quietly added to the website's terms of service.www.mediaite.com
Wow Twitter is going full Ministry of Truth 1984 on this one. Can't believe the article is true.Well they are looking for ways to fight this...
No not the fact that the vaxxed spread the virus...but fighting to prevent people from knowing the truth. And Twitter is there to help keep the masses uninformed.
Twitter will begin imposing penalties on users who claim that vaccinated people can spread Covid-19, according to a change quietly added to the website’s terms of service.
“When tweets include misleading information about Covid-19, we may place a label on those tweets that includes corrective information about that claim,” the website notes in a section detailing its rules about Covid-19 misinformation. “We may apply labels to tweets that contain, for example… false or misleading claims that people who have received the vaccine can spread or shed the virus (or symptoms, or immunity) to unvaccinated people.”
Twitter to Penalize Users Who Claim Vaccinated People Can Spread Covid-19
Twitter will begin imposing penalties up to a permanent ban on users who claim that vaccinated people can spread Covid-19, according to a change quietly added to the website's terms of service.
The article is most likely misinterpreted.
My bet is they are cracking down on people who say that getting the vaccine makes it possible for you to spread the virus.
Glad to hear your mom survived, and very sorry to hear about your niece and I hope she will recover in full. My mom is 89 and while relatively healthy for an 89 year old, not sure she could have survived Covid. It was tricky with her because she said that being isolated was not living. We never kept our kids away from her during Covid (that would have crushed her soul) but we were very careful. I've seen stories of grandparents not seeing their grandchildren for over a year and it breaks my heart. I really can't fathom doing that to a grandparent, but every situation is different.
Respect is a good word to use. We took a careful but balanced approach to Covid pre-vax, active socially but outside mostly if it wasn't family. Post-vax activity resembles pre-Covid activity, with the exception of avoiding people that are infected (aka don't be stupid). Its worked for us.
Well best way to find out is post something on Twitter stating that the vaccinated can be superspreaders and see what happens. I don't have Twitter so GraceT are you up to the task?
Not IFR. I am looking to UK to get a sense for peak hospitalizations.
IFR will be inconsistent if they run into resource limits, like India did with Delta and oxygen.
"If"? Nobody says rationing but you.
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Talk about windmills . . .La Mesans don't intermingle with El Cajonians, actually no one intermingles with El Cajonians.
So based on your position you would be in favor of a mandate for the HPV vaccine? It's over 99% effective and would eliminate 70% of cervical cancer. The Covid vaccine doesn't come anywhere close to that effectiveness.
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Most people won’t admit who they really are no less their offspring.
Not sure why you want to. Is your goal to trick other people into not getting vaccinated?
Most people can’t parse the difference between the true version and the false version of that sentence.
( Vaccinated people can be superspreaders.) ( Vaccines can make people superspreaders. )
Meh. It wasn't my idea. I'm just parroting what I'm seeing on leftist twitter right now.
Fair, but I doubt they will run into resource limits unless the IFR is being vastly understated (which, as you point out, is possible given South Africa is young, not fat and out of season)
My kids did their chores....post office runs, pharmacy, supermarket. The youngest had a high antibody count which meant he was bullet proof. Wish we had been sure about natural immunity back then....we wouldn't have had to separate them.
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Quit being so dramatic. Yes, there are 800K people dead with plenty of blame to be thrown around. It's highly likley we'll get to a million by this time next year, if not sooner. The irony is we have more tools at our disposal now than we did when this started. And yes, we are crying wolf over Omicron.
Get back to me when you can convince American society as a whole to become healthier. Until you do that, sars-cov-2's affinity for fat will continue to kill americans. Masks, lockdowns, school closures, mandates - none of that will ever work because you can't make any of it permanent. Your linear world doesn't exist ouside of your zip code. If anything, given your zip codes demographics, you could be the least restrctive area in the country and be really, really successful at leading a pre covid life. Isn't that ironic?
Someone in your neck of the woods who gets sick has access and the means for early disease intervention with safe and proven drug treatments. The world is a funny place.
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You still believe the models?
Trust the experts dad4...if this holds up the vaccines don't much.
More evidence of stagflation (this is one thing I didn't want to be right about):