Vaccine

"AS I POINTED OUT BEFORE IN REFERENCE TO ALL OF THESE “COVID MEASURES”: If any of them were effective, we’d see a huge, disparate impact between states, because even in the mid 2020, these were applied in wildly different ways across the country, as we found out. And yet, the results are more or less the same everywhere. Worse, in this case, the bad effects of infection are almost non-existent in normal, healthy children anyway. And they rarely transmit the disease. We know this. And yet the torture of the innocent continues. No, Our Kids Are Not As Resilient As The Experts Said They’d Be."

How long will you tolerate this?

dad and others keep looking at their models and they tell us it should/will be different. They cling to masks, NPIs, etc. In the end it didn't make any difference in stopping the disease. It did however heavily impact kids, biz, families, etc in a negative way.

If they looked up from their models, they would see the policies they advocated over the past 2 yrs have not yielded positive results. Team Reality or as they say Team Virus has been right about how this would end up.
 
Grace T. said:
You completely ignore the critique. Man, you really are just like young sheldon. You just see what you want to see and you stubbornly refuse to see it. It is like completely spot on. I'll have to tell my kid that...he didn't believe me that could actually happen and we got into this entire debate about how autism works (not saying you are autistic...but it's a good illustration that it does in fact happen).

Yes, there are positive externalities that improve scaling....of course. The problem, though, is the errors hypothesis....which is why scaling is almost always, when it comes to public policy, a problem. The larger the system, the more errors that creep in. I've outlined for you what those errors are. The same effect as your positive externalities take place...they multiply. Which gives you the real world results: why masks failed to do much of anything in actual practice when it came to national and regional results. Again, your entire assumption rests on a foundation that you think there's no wind. You think there's no imperfections because you want to see your perfect Soviet man, and you time and time again neglect the time factor as well. "That is why you fail"
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Your post appears to be 80% insults, trash talking, and tangents.

Your only point is the errors hypothesis. I’ll deal with that.

With respect to masks, you have already listed some possible errors: people might adjust them too often, or touch the outside. You are essentially arguing that people are too stupid to be taught how to wear masks.

1- Fauci already tried this argument. It was bogus when he said it. It is no less bogus when you say it.
2- The Bangladesh study included a rather large scale mask education campaign. They got statistically significant results. Therefore, hundreds of thousands of Bangladeshi villagers are smart enough to learn how to wear masks. Other nationalities are probably also capable.

With respect to vaccines, none of the scaling arguments can work. Billions of people have received doses by now. Whatever scaling problems existed, we are dealing with them.

The errors hypothesis doesn’t seem to have much legs. We tried it on the the biggest two questions, and it goes nowhere.
 
dad4 said:
Your post appears to be 80% insults, trash talking, and tangents.

Your only point is the errors hypothesis. I’ll deal with that.

With respect to masks, you have already listed some possible errors: people might adjust them too often, or touch the outside. You are essentially arguing that people are too stupid to be taught how to wear masks.

1- Fauci already tried this argument. It was bogus when he said it. It is no less bogus when you say it.
2- The Bangladesh study included a rather large scale mask education campaign. They got statistically significant results. Therefore, hundreds of thousands of Bangladeshi villagers are smart enough to learn how to wear masks. Other nationalities are probably also capable.

With respect to vaccines, none of the scaling arguments can work. Billions of people have received doses by now. Whatever scaling problems existed, we are dealing with them.

The errors hypothesis doesn’t seem to have much legs. We tried it on the the biggest two questions, and it goes nowhere.
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1. I see you are trotting out the old routine of playing the victim. When you do it’s perfectly fine because you are on the side of right, but when others do it thats bad. Your double standard is obnoxious

2. you take people as they are not how you’d like it to be. And you and your allies have been complaining about how stupid the trump supporting vaccine refusing red staters are. The fact you think you can teach people for whom you have such contempt for how to wear masks properly is laughable.

3. education programs are also subject to the scaling problem. It’s the classic pilot program problem. The fact you think you could put the American people (including children) in front of mandatory zoom classes to learn proper mask wearing is not only laughable but your authoritarian streak is showing. I’m sure based on prior comments you’d be ok with work and store monitors correcting people who wear their masks wrong. Would work in Singapore…not here…you couldn’t even get people to work those jobs given the labor shortage or maybe you prefer the Chinese neighbor rat on neighbor.

4. we dealt with the Bangladesh study. All that effort for so little result and such a flawed study and THAT is the best you could do.

5. vaccines involve much less room for error. A classic technology only reliance which is best equipped for economies of scale. Sadlythey do not work as advertised. Can be transmitted and receive the omicron. Even a weddin outbreak now in your neck of the woods. Given that, mandates are not warranted at the current time.
 
Grace T. said:
1. I see you are trotting out the old routine of playing the victim. When you do it’s perfectly fine because you are on the side of right, but when others do it thats bad. Your double standard is obnoxious

2. you take people as they are not how you’d like it to be. And you and your allies have been complaining about how stupid the trump supporting vaccine refusing red staters are. The fact you think you can teach people for whom you have such contempt for how to wear masks properly is laughable.

3. education programs are also subject to the scaling problem. It’s the classic pilot program problem. The fact you think you could put the American people (including children) in front of mandatory zoom classes to learn proper mask wearing is not only laughable but your authoritarian streak is showing. I’m sure based on prior comments you’d be ok with work and store monitors correcting people who wear their masks wrong. Would work in Singapore…not here…you couldn’t even get people to work those jobs given the labor shortage or maybe you prefer the Chinese neighbor rat on neighbor.

4. we dealt with the Bangladesh study. All that effort for so little result and such a flawed study and THAT is the best you could do.

5. vaccines involve much less room for error. A classic technology only reliance which is best equipped for economies of scale. Sadlythey do not work as advertised. Can be transmitted and receive the omicron. Even a weddin outbreak now in your neck of the woods. Given that, mandates are not warranted at the current time.
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Ps that wedding everyone masked except eating, outbreak started with a vaxxed person, health care workers mostly who were careful and knew how to wear masks, they in turn spread it to work colleagues. Your belief system is in tatters.
 
Grace T. said:
Ps that wedding everyone masked except eating, outbreak started with a vaxxed person, health care workers mostly who were careful and knew how to wear masks, they in turn spread it to work colleagues. Your belief system is in tatters.
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You certainly aren’t a good listener are you.
 
Grace T. said:
Ps that wedding everyone masked except eating, outbreak started with a vaxxed person, health care workers mostly who were careful and knew how to wear masks, they in turn spread it to work colleagues. Your belief system is in tatters.
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Pps I love the “trust the experts” but again only when they agree with you— now you are even throwing your beloved fauci on the bus. Can’t you see how far off the road you’ve gone?
 
dad4 said:
Your post appears to be 80% insults, trash talking, and tangents.

Your only point is the errors hypothesis. I’ll deal with that.

With respect to masks, you have already listed some possible errors: people might adjust them too often, or touch the outside. You are essentially arguing that people are too stupid to be taught how to wear masks.

1- Fauci already tried this argument. It was bogus when he said it. It is no less bogus when you say it.
2- The Bangladesh study included a rather large scale mask education campaign. They got statistically significant results. Therefore, hundreds of thousands of Bangladeshi villagers are smart enough to learn how to wear masks. Other nationalities are probably also capable.

With respect to vaccines, none of the scaling arguments can work. Billions of people have received doses by now. Whatever scaling problems existed, we are dealing with them.

The errors hypothesis doesn’t seem to have much legs. We tried it on the the biggest two questions, and it goes nowhere.
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You just don't understand the implications of the divide in the country. As @Grace says, you need to take people as they are not as you wish they were. The first thing that matters in an education program is trusting the message. There is no way Fauci or CNN is going to deliver any message that convinces those who don't believe in masks and/or the vaccine. It's not going to happen. It is baked in at this point.

Unless Omicron turns out to be more dangerous than previous variants, the general trend toward behavior as it was prior to COVID will continue. I am sure there will be plenty of folks from SC County who will still wear masks when they are out of their homes for the rest of their lives regardless. Take comfort in that.
 
espola said:
University of Florida Faculty Senate report on challenges to academic freedom in the current Florida political climate. Included are instances of destruction of or restricted access to research data on covid.

FinalReport_FacultySenateAdHocCommitteeonAF.pdf

drive.google.com drive.google.com
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It's obvious as hell what your motive is on this forum....
Promote DNC talking points and attempt to tear down
any person who is successful at countering the DNC talking
points.
Example above and your past posts in regards to just Florida.
DeSantis is a real threat to the LIES liberals such as you and the
rest of the Liberal Cabal espouse on a daily basis.
Your poster boy for Sal Alinsky style turmoil is now a convicted
felon 5 times over, wait till the TRUTH comes out about the
inspiration for his sick stage play is thrust upon the MSM.
That's right, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Kim Foxx, Michele Obama
and others are going to wish they never staged/enabled that sh*t
show. It was ALL to support the worthless H.R. 35 Anti Lynching Law.
Which " They " thought would be a vehicle to the Presidency, it
wasn't, it just created more divide in a Country they are trying to
destroy along with YOU.
Go up old man and actually support the United States of America
for which YOU took an oath to uphold.
 
dad4 said:
Your post appears to be 80% insults, trash talking, and tangents.

Your only point is the errors hypothesis. I’ll deal with that.

With respect to masks, you have already listed some possible errors: people might adjust them too often, or touch the outside. You are essentially arguing that people are too stupid to be taught how to wear masks.

1- Fauci already tried this argument. It was bogus when he said it. It is no less bogus when you say it.
2- The Bangladesh study included a rather large scale mask education campaign. They got statistically significant results. Therefore, hundreds of thousands of Bangladeshi villagers are smart enough to learn how to wear masks. Other nationalities are probably also capable.

With respect to vaccines, none of the scaling arguments can work. Billions of people have received doses by now. Whatever scaling problems existed, we are dealing with them.

The errors hypothesis doesn’t seem to have much legs. We tried it on the the biggest two questions, and it goes nowhere.
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If it feels like an insult which it is not, then look introspectively because you are denying the
facts that are bearing out the fallacy of this whole manufactured " Crisis ".

A massive amount of human life has been sacrificed because of the denial of you and others
about the REAL origins and the proper cure for this CRIME that has been deliberately thrust
upon the planet by a cabal of evil human beings.

The TRUTH will bear out this CRIME eventually and those who swallowed the Blue pill of
evil will hang their heads in shame at the very least.
 
Brav520 said:
When you see stuff like this , at a school with mandatory vaccinations , testing and masking you have to wonder if there really is an end game here

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It’s what’s going to be happening all over the country in blue areas in January in places that have testing in school (like lausd). The vaccines aren’t stopping omicron transmission or illness. The ifr appears to be on par with a cold. But because we’ve gone done the testing rabbit hole, kids will be excluded for exposure and schools shut down for a cold. A once again adults will go skiing, be arm and arm in bars, have their important political meetings and be expected to work while the kids get the shaft.
 
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