Tell you what. I’ll take my medical advice from the so-called experts. You take your medical advice from hip-hop musicians.
It works the other way, too. Who needs music from musicians? Let’s have music from the so-called experts:
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It works the other way, too. Who needs music from musicians? Let’s have music from the so-called experts:
Objection again. Misleading.
We've already established there are only certain experts you'll listen to.
The hip-hop musician also isn't giving medical advice. He's calling out your so-called experts for their failures.
Are you conceding that we can't stop the virus?
I recall saying early on that the virus will linger for awhile because it will always find the path of least resistance regardless of what we do, while you professed we could control the virus and reach zero covid with various policies. It's the false premise that we can eliminate the virus that causes the goalposts to move. Mitigate yes, eliminate no.
Queue its the unvaccinated, anti-maskers, and restriction ignoring population's fault that Covid hasn't been eliminated.
The hip hop musician was giving his expert opinion on the vaccine.
Such an opinion is about as useful as hip hop music produced by aerosol scientists.
Catchy, wasn’t it?
Biology plays some role, but politics clearly play a larger role. For example, the timing and parameters for Newsom's tier system. In particular, the cessation of that program. Also the goalposts being far different in each state.
It's also the scientific arrogance that we could eliminate the virus that has led to a lot of goal post moving.
You answered your own question. Mitigation is both possible and desirable. It does, however, require things like vaccines and masks.
You want to believe we can mitigate the virus while ignoring our best tools against it. That doesn’t work.
"Not very good" is in the eye of the beholder, but "not as advertised" is an objective truth. (is objective truth redundant?)
You don't need an expert to have an opinion on how good the vaccine is. The experts call tell us if it stops death (it's imperfect, but except among those for who it's imperfect 1 shot seems to do the job), stops severe disease (it's imperfect), transmission of illness (problematic), or catching illness (against the omicron, likely poor). Once we know that everyone can decide for themselves how good the product is, and he's calling you out. You don't need to be an expert to see that.
"Dr. McKittrick, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system sucks".
Again, you fail time and time again to do a cost benefit analysis. Perpetual masks is not a thing which is desirable and carries enormous costs. A vaccine that is leaky and requires multiple injections limits its benefit. Vaccine mandates carry an enormous societal cost.
Mitigation has failed, the omicron is apparently less severe, and the shots do well in holding up still against severe disease. Time for all of us to catch our colds and take our chances (including you).
Hence why the Covid vaccine shouldn't be mandated. Can you not thread that needle?
But at what cost to everything non-covid? Your a math teacher, you just can't solve for X you have to solve for Y as well.
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I mean they are not very good, the data is there. Imagine how many more would have lived had the vaccine worked better? Even so, more people died this year than last. Why? don't really know. I'm sure there is some person out there that would like to pontificate on the matter.
Big Pharma doen't always get it right. They get it wrong often actually. Sometimes they do it deliberately, sometimes they don't. I like to think that the scientists charged with research/development are trying to do the right thing. Unfortunately the executive types are 100% in it for the GP.
Interesting how quick on the draw they've been on Omicron, even though the data is skewing towards sniffles. It's likley the trend is true but we'll have to wait and see once it hits the older population, which it will. They weren't so quick on the draw for Delta, just more boosting of the same stuff. All of a sudden, in spite of initial data coming out of SA, Omicron is the new boogey man. Don't you worry, Big Pharm to the rescue.
It is impressive how quick we developed vaccines, no doubt there. A tremendous amount of your dollars went into it - it's the only way it could have happened. If you are not skeptical of what's to come from the ilk of pfizer, AZ, Moderna, etc, then you are very naive. As long as governments continue to pony up dollars up front for doses, CEOs will continue to give interviews that influence public opinion.
But go ahead and take your booster for the umpteenth time, just keep the boosters away from your kid. (If i were giving you unsolicited advice).
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GOLD
You must have talked to the MRNA dudes. Novelty is the kryptonite of vaccines. Unfortunately this virus acts so damn weird that we had to go with what we had to try and stop the bleed. Vaccine re-design is already underway but it may take time. In the meantime, the strategy is to boost and to HOPE the virus continues to degrade as it mutates. Sniffles are a good thing. Hopefully Omicron remains true to initial surveillance and isn't as dangerous to the 65 and older party crowd.
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GOLD
Until they get the vaccine right, more will continue to die. The vaccinated are dying now, just not a rate that the media deems worthy of reporting. Not gory enough or valuable to a narrative. But the vaccinated are dying. Wonder why that data point isn't being tracked? - Died with/without vaccine? Or maybe died with/without being boosted.
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Damn - you used a better phrase!!
HOPE is never a good strategy whether its health policy or business.
Just semantics.
Wrong… especially if you’re implying that this disease mutations evade vaccinations.
“Globally, measles remains a leading cause of childhood deaths and an estimated 160 000 children die each year from complications of the disease.”
sometimes we don't have a choice. For some policy questions, the answer to "what's to be done?" really is nothing. For some business (e.g., Sears, buggy whips), nothing was going to save them. In this case, we had an imperfect solution....humans are brilliant and we will come up with better ones but it will take time....in the mean time "what's to be done?"....there's not much that can be done that isn't harmful and maybe even counterproductive....it's sucks but that's the reality.
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The difference between the omicron response and the delta response is, to me, reassuring. They are different variants with different risks. And the responses have been quite different, as is appropriate.
A pharma friend of mine recently toasted omicron. Not because of profits- alpha and delta got no such honors. It is because a high transmissibility, low severity variant will do a ton of good if it outcompetes delta and stays low virulence. Not so cynical as you think.
Global Measles Outbreaks
Global measles outbreaks information (including top 10 countries)
www.cdc.gov
The worst one listed is Nigeria with just over 6k cases. What’s your source?